Quote from: dooglus on November 25, 2014, 09:53:00 PM

Quote from: KingOfSports on November 25, 2014, 09:30:52 PM

Just tested the site's fairness for my own thoughts. Server rigging I think is indeed present here but thats just me. I did one trial and it shocked me. Betting 0 repeatedly until +2 units (of 0) or -20 units. I was doing 49.75% 2x payout, I always bet low. I reached -20 before I reached +2. In fact I never even reached +1. One sample, doesn't matter yeah yeah yeah but whatever.

You've been around provably fair dice sites to know better than this.

Do I really have to explain to you how it works?

Verify your rolls - see for yourself whether it's rigged. If it is, go public with your findings. "rigging I think is indeed present here but thats just me" is worthless, but the proof you seek is at your fingertips.

Quote from: Gianluca95 on November 25, 2014, 09:39:46 PM

Quote from: marcotheminer on November 25, 2014, 09:30:24 PM

Quote from: Gianluca95 on November 25, 2014, 09:17:01 PM

There is something of wrong in your website. In which way is possible to have 200+ BTC wagered in only some week? I think that is impossible. Are you sure that there data are real?

Entirely possible. A wager is the bet amount. For example betting 10 btc at 1.01× contributes 10btc to the wager total. Trust me if goes fairay quickly, even with relatively small balances.

Oh, I don't think so. For 200 BTC wagered I think that there must be a minimum of good profit (minimum 0.5-1 Bitcoin). 200 BTC is too much to have only that profit of BTC. Then, everyone can think in its best way.

Most bets have a house edge of 0.5%. That means the expected profit is around 1 BTC. Actually I think most of the volume happened before the edge was dropped, so maybe we need to double that to 2 BTC.

I've bet only 5.2 BTC, and have a profit of 0.77 BTC (when I "should" have a loss of 0.026 or something):

If you add the 0.77 BTC that I won to the site's profit, it looks a lot healthier. And I represent just 5 BTC of action out of a total 200 BTC.

What you fail to realise is that variance is a bitch. It's quite possible (and even likely in the short term) for the house to over or under perform by a huge margin.

Both of the posts I just answered drew unsound conclusions. KoS: maybe the site is rigged - but if it is, you can prove it. Gianluca95: the law of large numbers applies to large numbers. 80k bets isn't a large number; maybe the site stats are fake, but you've not proved it.

This post is NOT an endorsement of safedice. I play there occasionally with funds I'm prepared to lose. This is not me "shilling", "promoting", "endorsing", or any such thing. Got it? Good!

Just cause a site offers provably fair verification doesn't mean it actually is. It's been proven through someone creating a site showing it that if the server can predict a trend you use such as always betting low or always betting high, a rigged server can give rigged seeds assuming that person doesn't change their pattern or their client seed. It was one series but for me enough to decide I'll pass here. Probably isn't a rigged server but whatever.