Quote from: Alphi on November 25, 2014, 10:59:21 PM

Quote from: bitwho on November 25, 2014, 06:03:43 PM

Therefore; Before we spent more time in the ethical of giving up your password or not. Let move forward. Let's make the password optional. Name, email , mintpal deposit address , amount of coins , comment section for additional info. screen shot of your mintpalv2 page. If there is not enough information to validate your claim then you can offer your password to further prove such claim.

We also need to figure out how to approach the timeline:

How long do we keep the claims fill forms open. (while it would be ideal to leave it as long as possible it wouldn't be fair to the ones that filled it and waiting for their coins )
What to do if the wallet coins are less then the claims
What to do if every proven claim got their coins but there are left overs
Do we all agree that as long as the proposed steps are followed , then neither the people helping out nor the community should be help accountable if some one shows up months later and has undeniable proof that some of those coins belonged to them but the coins have already been distributed away.

Hope you all get the gist of this. There are few of us scrambling with what we got here , trying to come up with the best solution to this. we would love nothing more then to give everyone their coins back. But we have to come up with a unified agreeable solution with some 'rules" to prevent any of us getting into trouble.

I completely support the process which is being undertaken.. I had issue with only one small part of it (ie the collection of passwords)

moving forward I would suggest the following:

a terms sheet be drawn up.. where each person upon submitting their claim must accept the terms as agreed by all participants.

payment by increments and not lump sums.
for example.. we institute a regime of say 10 rounds where each participant is paid 10% of their claim per round. (this is a very easy thing to do for the person writing the algorithm they need only loop 10 times and make the payout 10% of the claimed amount)

this would mean that in the first round everyone gets 10% of their claim, the second round another 10% (20% total) and so on and so on until the coins run out.
this would ensure that everybody gets most of their coins back and nobody is left out completely.

the way that Mintpal V2 (the people at moolah) did their distribution was to pay people on a first come first serve basis was a complete disaster with hundreds of people claiming they didn't get any coins back at all..in the case of DRK and BTC the coins ran out way before all the claims were processed so people like me who were unable to update their BTC and DRK addresses because of a stupid bug in their own system were completely left hanging.

in order to avoid this kind of situation happening again, payment by increments will mean that the coins are distributed more fairly to everyone... it also means that latecomers can still be added to the list and have some coins distributed back to them accordingly without having to readjust the algorithm or do any additional calculations.

I have been a software developer for 14 years and I have to say that the way that the people handled this disaster at moolah was completely amateurish and irresponsible and I would encourage everyone to remember the names of the people involved and try to stay well clear of them in the future.

10% per round is a good suggestion, however that will be a lot of work and will increase the timeframe for returning all of the Karma. What do you propose the timeframe be? After 4 weeks then every 2 weeks for a total of 22 weeks or how long? Everyone please say if you think this is a good idea or not, if you like it but not the timeframe I just gave please suggest a new one.

For the people that are suggesting relying on less than v2 username proof. Are you suggesting we either simply use v1 balances (100% provable, some people will lose 100% of their Karma) or a lower standard of evidence to prove v2 balances? (50% provable, everyone may lose a % of their Karma) What guidelines do you suggest the committee follow to determine if somebody should be paid out or not? Screenshot of v2 and something else? Do you propose that the v2 password not be a requirement or not be asked for at all? Please acknowledge you are aware people may defraud a system where a lower level of evidence is required, guaranteeing people will miss out on some of their Karma. Are people meant to prove/submit a claim for their v2 balances or just go with the best claim they can make? Please be aware of how much work you are suggesting the committee do to prove each claim. If you provide a detailed plan I will put it to a vote.

Everyone don't forget that at the moment you've lost 100% of your Karma on Mintpal. If you get 50% back from this process you should be very grateful to the person making the transactions with the wallet and the people on the committee.

Please starting nominating yourselves to be on the committee (3 positions) or if you'd like to nominate yourself for being the person distributing the Karma and holding the wallet (1 position).

For people that think any information is being sent to me or are suggesting changes please read my entire post including the FAQ before commenting.