Quote from: bl4kjaguar on December 05, 2014, 08:25:33 PM

There is almost zero open debate in this thread, only opinions and ignorance.

All are encouraged to debate the things that I have posted in this thread, because so far they have NOT been openly discussed. Here are some of the things I posted:

Quote from: bl4kjaguar on November 05, 2014, 08:12:07 PM

Quote from: tattooist on November 05, 2014, 07:29:04 PM

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first case....... chessplaying ghosts

Yes. Correspondence with the dead proven by Prof. Eisenbeiss.

Who from the non-god position will correlate the simplest explanation with the observations?

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Like domesticated plants and animals, humans stand well outside the classic Darwinian paradigm. Darwin himself made the observation that humans were surprisingly like domesticated animals.

What about the scientific anomalies that Darwinists, Creationists and Intelligent Design proponents alike are unable to explain?

Evidence for Creation by Outside Intervention

OK,

Opinions and ignorance are all that we all have I'm afraid, that may hurt your ego but it's the full truth.

Here's my opinion:

Domestication is a subset of evolution it is NOT mutually exclusive to it.

The point buried deep within one of the the texts you linked to is:

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THE EMERGENCE OF DOMESTICATED ANIMALS

...we face the problem of trying to imagine those first herdsmen with enough vision to imagine a "final model", to start the breeding process during their own lifetimes and to have it carried out over centuries until the final model was achieved...

No vision was needed, the final model itself evolved:

The animals were already breeding fine in nature. The herdsmen then had to hunt them down, expending energy and time to do so.

As soon as human brain thought "if I could stop these animals running away it would be easier." ... it began ...

This thought may have first been acted upon by using nets or portable fences made of sticks bound together.

A farm is just a permanent large net around an animal.

Thoughts and ideas are just information, this is memetic information and it propogates and evolves over generations in a very similar fashion to genetic information.

Perhaps the first "farm" was a geographically quite contained area where animals came for water. A place that could be closed in with only a modest fence or wall. The herdsmen could fence a herd or animals in that area and then just supply food into the area or if the area were big enough with a water source flowing through it then it may have even been a perfect few acres of self replenishing hunting ground, where animals could be corralled to the edges in order to catch, kill and then eat.

A domesticated animal is still operating within evolution, be it a domesticated cat or ape (human).

Even if humans gain complete understanding and control of the genome then we have not stepped outside of evolution, the only way a species can leave the evolutionary game is by going extinct.

You see it's fun to speculate on possible mechanisms to fill in the gaps, rather than saying.... DUH! GOD DID IT!