Quote from: Naer on December 25, 2014, 08:37:16 PM

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Quote from: Naer on December 25, 2014, 06:45:55 PM

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Quote from: Naer on December 25, 2014, 06:12:22 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 25, 2014, 12:40:18 PM

Workers don't like their property - their labor that is converted into money - stolen from them. That's what the welfare state does.

The idea of helping the poor, or supporting those who are disabled, is noble. The idea of organizing a welfare state so that the organizers can steal some of the money for themselves even though they give other money to the poor, is criminal.

People are generally compassionate. They will help others who are in need. For those who are in need but haven't been reached by the compassionate, let the organizers request donations rather than creating a welfare state. Some people will always donate.

Removal of the welfare state will get the welfare recipients who don't really need welfare, up off their behinds, and out there working for a living. All the rest of us will get to keep more of what we work for. We will spend some of it on things that we want and need. More jobs will be created. Prosperity will abound.

The welfare state is destroying us.

you say people are compassionate? then why is 40% of the worlds wealth dominated by the 1%

As the government and taxes grow bigger, the inequality grows bigger to the point where we are now where some have a lot and no risk of losing it in the current state of affair while other have not chance of making it. So big government and big taxes are increasing inequality and hurting the poor.

If people were paying less taxes, they would have more money to give away and would give away more

isn't big government an inevitable result of technological advancement? as technology increases so does technological unemployment. i see a future when we are all government stipends. srs

Big government is inevitable when the people are disarmed, or when the people are ignorant of the dangers of big government.

back too welfare, technological unemployment would cause for a rise in some universal welfare state. where scarcity is evenly distributed among everyone regardless of where they are. we are not separate from nature and with great automation technology, it would make sense that rational distribution of the wealth is essential to the integrity of the society. without a strong universal basic income we will see greater crime, our prisons and psych wards filled and more problems then is needed

Somewhere someone stated that you could fit all the people in the world on the Isle of Man. The Isle of man has about 220 square miles of land - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_the_Isle_of_Man. The world has about 57,510,000 square miles of land - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_area.

The amount of land that is out there is great. Let the people go. Get rid of the governments. The people can take care of their governmenting locally, in small groups.