Quote from: emic.com.pl on December 26, 2014, 10:19:12 PM

Hello again.

I truly understand yours concerns. Again new company comes to bitcointalk and try to sell their pre-order. However I would like to defend myself a little bit.

At the beginning a will speak about general things.

I need to clarify something. We are NEW company, which means that we are NEW. This means also that our company was founded short time ago. The same with the domain. Just rethorical question: should we register our company and domain one year ago, and wait till now with announcment, just to avoid arguments like: "domain registered month ago..." or simillar? This would makes no sense.

As we are new we did not delivered yet any miners. It's obvious.

We do not have miner ready at the moment. That's why all images at the momen are CGI. This is obvious also. We are not hiding this. BTW. Please go to our product page and look at the title od main image. It's called EMIC PowerModule visualisation, and another is called drawing!!!

In conclusion I would like to ask couple more questions:

How it is possible, that "scammer" registered company?
How is it possible, that "scammer" opened bank accounts?
How is it possible, that "scammer" give all his personal details to interenet?
How is it possible, that "scammer" passed strict verification on coinbase, which include ID document verification?
How is it possible, that "scammer" has got real adress, and phone (in new year we will update phone with landline one).
How is it possible, that "scammer" rent office from really big company, gives it data and contact? This is very easy information to confirm or not.
How is it possible, that "scammer" allow to visit their office and meet the staff?

And coming in very near future (we are working on it):

How is it possible, that "scammer" passed Bitpay verification?
How is it possible, that "scammer" passed and allow to pay using payment gateway? This is very difficult to get if you are not genuine.
How is it possible, that "scammer" can get SSL certificate on his domain?

Now I just wonder what else do you need to not call someone scammer.

Ok. Lets move on.

Quote from: Syke on December 24, 2014, 05:56:32 PM

Funny how you ignored my message. The first reply in this thread. Let me quote it so you can see it again.

Quote from: Syke on December 24, 2014, 07:12:16 AM

Quote from: emic.com.pl on December 24, 2014, 07:06:28 AM

EMIC will be the first ever company to introduce 20nm ASIC chips to their miners.

No you aren't.

I'll make it longer for you. You are not the first to release a 20nm ASIC. KnC was. Months ago. Your claim is a flat out lie. Something so simple and important as that being a lie tells me you are full of lots more lies.

Sorry if I missed some messages. Please understand that we are just human, wa can make mistakes. This is not any proof, that we are scam or not.

Quote from: dropt on December 24, 2014, 07:28:26 AM

When did you complete tape out?

In near future I will update this tread with detailed shedule for this project. I will include detailed specs, photos and any other resources, so keep your finger on the pulse.

Quote from: PuertoLibre on December 24, 2014, 06:34:22 PM

Whats up with this case? Isn't reality anti-aliased?

Perhaps this wasn't taken with an actual camera? LOL.

This is visualistaion, as the image title on our website says.

Quote from: slastar on December 24, 2014, 06:35:05 PM

Here is some details about this company
https://prod.ceidg.gov.pl/CEIDG/CEIDG.Public.UI/SearchDetails.aspx?Id=49af0425-7594-4110-9db8-50c13f8a6a5a

and there a few interested things
1. - company was registered at 1 dec 2014, 24 days is a lot time to develop chips and make prototype of miner Roll Eyes

2. - he is self-employment , but looking for some help to answer emails and phones Grin

- LINK
3. - email michalkrawczyszyn91@onet.pl sugest that he was born at 1991 so he is 23 yers old now, he must be some f***ing genius if he alone develop own chips in 24days Grin

1. Yes. Exactly. But the project started about 6 months ago. Why sould I register company 6 months ago and pay all fees and insurance for this time, especially if I would like to provide cheap devices? Should I not decrease costs? Does this make sense?

2. Yes, I'm an owner of this company, so I am self-employed. But this does not mean, that I am the only worker in company. And of course I was looking for employess. BTW. "pracuj.pl", which you linked has a very strict anti fraud, and anti phishing for personal information policy. So if you are not genuine company, they will not public your announcment. For me this argument works for us, not against us.

3. This is my personal email, but I need to explain something to you. If you want to register company in Poland you need to provide lot of informations and document about you including email adress to contact. I wanted to put all domain and serves costs into my company costs (which helps to decrease taxes i need to pay - it's obvious higher costs lower taxes). But to get an invoice for company I needed to have a comapny. So first I need to register company to give hosting company all company data. After registration i can create business emial like ofice@emic.com.pl. So during company registration i put my private email. I should update it later, but I forgot. Hm is this a crime? Or is this any proof that EMIC is scam? I dont think so. You all are looking for any reason even if this means nothing.

Quote from: hedgy73 on December 24, 2014, 06:53:05 PM

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DOMAIN NAME: emic.com.pl
registrant type: organization
nameservers: dns200.anycast.me.
ns200.anycast.me.
created: 2014.12.02 19:06:33
last modified: 2014.12.23 01:12:10
renewal date: 2015.12.02 19:06:33

Domain created 22 days ago and only registered for 1 year. https://who.is/whois/https://emic.com.pl

I like this quote on the website: 'Buy from a trusted supplier' Roll Eyes

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Yes, but why this is a problem? I register all my domains for 1 year. Is it something weird?

BTW. If you will dig into who.is, you will find, that to see all registrant data you should go to

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Registrant data available at http://dns.pl/cgi-bin/en_whois.pl

And the data is:

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Search result

DOMAIN NAME:

emic.com.pl

registrant type:

organization

nameservers:

dns200.anycast.me.

ns200.anycast.me.

created:

2014.12.02 19:06:33

last modified:

2014.12.23 01:12:10

renewal date:

2015.12.02 19:06:33

no option

dnssec:

Signed

DS:

41011 8 1 369C378168513A5B5A8FAEC7A262D8BDACCAE13A

REGISTRANT:

company:

European Mining Innovation Center

street:

ul. Puławska 34 bud. 27

city:

05-500 Piaseczno

location:

PL

phone:

+48.605699428

last modified:

2014.12.02

REGISTRAR:

OVH SAS

2 Rue Kellermann

59100 Roubaix

Francja/France

+48.717500200

pomoc@ovh.pl

Quote from: Gleb Gamow on December 26, 2014, 04:35:19 PM

I will reverse my position if scammer pays me $10K USD via BTC and sends me the very first two miners for evaluation, then I will sell them to pocket even more monies. If he doesn't comply, then this is a ...

Do not feel obligated to send you anything. If you do not want to buy, just do not buy.

Quote from: Supercrypt on December 26, 2014, 05:24:53 PM

are you accepting escrow for this?
put the money in escrow till we receive and test the miner

It could be an option, but if we would be able to handle this, we had no need to sell our miners in pre-order basis.

Quote from: Gleb Gamow on December 26, 2014, 06:29:43 PM

No Emic or Michał Krawczyszyn or MICHAEL KRAWCZYSZYN on https://bitcoinfoundation.org/members/

Please, do not mislead people. Nowhere on our website we do not inform, that we are memeber of bitcoin foundation. You are a liar, not me.

Quote from: Gleb Gamow on December 26, 2014, 06:29:43 PM

Search the images on Google yourself if you don't believe me.

Yes. These are pictures, that company who rent us office provide.

This company is called DACPOL Sp z o.o. http://www.dacpol.eu/pl/strona-glowna

Is it so hard to call them and ask are we really there? This is so easy to confirm. Oh I forgot, propably this company is not trusted as any other. I guess even goolge woldn't be enough in this case.

Quote from: Searing on December 26, 2014, 06:43:47 PM

again you go to buy the stuff it only gives you the option of direct pay....no credit cards are listed even thou shows such on the front page
also no btc listed

and they are pre-ordered don't ya know on that page as well

Did you ever read my first post here? If not I will quote here:

Quote from: emic.com.pl on December 24, 2014, 07:06:28 AM

Available payment methods:

We provide payment by bank transfer in PLN, USD, EUR and GBP. You can also pay using Bitcoin via Coinbase or Bitpay.

Note: In the footer, you can see logos of credit cards, which may suggest a possible payment using them. I would like to clarify that it is not a mistake. In a few days should be credit card payment option available. More info here:
http://emic.com.pl/en/transferuj-pl-payment-gateway/

About bitcoin payment: You can pay in bitcoins, but you need to switch currency to bitcoin first!

Quote from: Gleb Gamow on December 26, 2014, 06:45:51 PM

I humbling apologize to Michal for doubting him thanks to ...

http://emic.com.pl/en/privacy-policy/

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Contact emic.com.pl contact you using the specified e-mail, but only in special situations, we use the number you specified telefonu.W If you have any questions or concerns about the privacy and security policies of your personal information, we encourage you to contact us by our 123456789 phone number or e-mail prywatnosc@emic.com.pl.W If you wish to update or remove your personal information, if you can not or do not want to do this yourself, please contact us at our phone number 123456789 or e-mail privacy @ emic.com.pl.W these matters can also correspond with us at: emic.com.pl Michael Kwawczyszyn Street Puławska 34 05-500 Piaseczno house 7 Version 1.0 (Warsaw, 01 Grudnia2014 year)

I called the number and the sweetest Polish woman proved to me that Michal is the real deal. She is even going to cook me up some Kugelis and ship them to me free of charge due to us bonding so well during the phone convo.

Sorry for that. I will check this and we will correct all mistakes there. Thanks for information!

Quote from: Gleb Gamow on December 26, 2014, 07:04:32 PM

I followed the instructions to a T and my Order #403 was met with a 404. Cry

On second thought, what the fuck am I thinking?

I wish to sell my EMIC Order #403 for half price. I need the money now to pay for the tumor operation for my dog.

Proof of dog with tumor:

Quote from: Dr Charles on December 26, 2014, 06:47:54 PM

lol Michael and his shody attempt to scam the btc community is getting slayed right now

You think? Grin

Sorry for that. I will check this and we will try to repair this as soon as possible. At the moment I cant recreate this issue.

Last words:

I am getting tired of replying to all those malcontents. I will back here with some more valuable input. Untill then I will not reply here. See you soon!

I see we're wearing him down. Michal's getting tired. Of course, we never tire of having entities come here to steal bitcoins.

Correct, no where you stated that you're a member of The Bitcoin Foundation, but you sure went outta your way to included the image: http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/bf.jpg

So, prior to registering your business, getting an address, and getting a bank account under the guise of avoiding to pay high taxes in Poland, you were able to spend millions to some FAB to produce your 20nm chip, correct?

Damn, that makes you Nadczłowiek.

Whether you believe it or not, you've actually destroyed your brand in under 6 posts, for you've had every opportunity to get in front of this issue but opted to take the exact route every single motherfuckin' scammer that came before you has taken.

My 12 year nephew can also come on here and claim that he registered with Coinbase and BitPay and there's not a single way for anybody to disprove that, for said entities would not even comment upon the issue if they were asked unless served legal papers.

Josh Zipkin once used a sockpuppet to claim that he went to AMT's bank and the lady there told him that Josh did indeed have a bank account at Eagle Bank. I called the bank and a lady told me that they can not, as in CAN NOT even tell me if he had an account or not. Then Josh Zipkin came to the forum after I presented said convo and stated that the bank lady called him to inform him that somebody was inquiring about his good name. Guess what? Millions of dollars later, Josh Zipkin in back in Bulgaria fucking everybody in the process. Ergo, there is no way that nary a one of us can confirm what you're stating, for the third party would be party to a lawsuit.

So, you're not coming back here to defend any longer while we destroy your brand that much more. That makes you the stupiest fuckin' idiot in Poland. You either have more money than brains, or you're not pulling off this scam correctly. We're all witnessing the latter.

Machal in 5...4...3...