Quote from: djoot on April 29, 2011, 07:15:03 PM

Quote from: kiba on April 29, 2011, 05:41:54 PM

While I am sympathetic to the voluntaryist ideology, I just don't think rational debate is possible.

Hence, "Politics is the mindkiller".

There are a lot of people who, while not necessarily being big statists, just assume that the state is necessary and do not give it another thought. I sure didn't think about it before I found myself in discussions about the state with friends. After that it was just a question of knowing more economics and history before I was convinced that the state is not a public good but a public bad.

But yes, it is hard to convince anybody, especially if they believe that they owe something to the state because it gives them free 'education' or healthcare or whatever, and think that without the state people could not afford these things. I strongly believe that this is false and that everybody would be better off if we stopped believing in violence as a means to our ends.

The biggest gap I think there is is that people think that people who hate the state don't care about poor people. People who hate the state generally do so BECAUSE they care about the little guy.