Quote from: SolarSilver on December 29, 2014, 09:47:18 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on December 29, 2014, 05:16:04 AM

The bankruptcy court, which went over HF's records with a fine-tooth comb, didn't find the "empty promises, lies, bad business practices and plain incompetence" you allege.

I'm sorry, but if there is one textbook example of how not to run a business (and we all know what the outcome of the HF story is), then it has to be HF. Is there anybody here who is going to give HF an award for best business practices?

While it might be true that the US court did not put any punishment on the table (yet) for the people involved, I can guarantee that if it would have been a European court, there would be a different outcome.

So basically you are pointing out weak consumer protection laws that favour scum like Eddy and Simon to get away with this fiasco. So lucky for them, they are US based, but that does not make it right.

And doing the right thing is something iCEBREAKER seems to be struggling with. Ever heard of ethics?

"Might be true?" No, it's definitely true that the US court did not put any punishment on the table.

By putting the conditional "might be" in front of a completely incontrovertible fact, you are acting like a coward afraid to accept reality without a feeble hedge to act as your security blanket.

Nobody claimed HF was a success (*cough, strawman, cough*), only that their bankruptcy was a perfectly normal and common fate for a start-up.

Why would a European bankruptcy court be substantially different than the American one?

You made that claim with zero factual basis, much less supporting analysis.

You don't appear to understand the difference between consumer protection laws and bankruptcy, much less their interplay.

Face it, you lost the debate over allegations of HF misconduct so now you are blaming the venue like a typical sore loser.

The facts are clearly not on your side, so you want to change the discussion into an unresolvable opinion-based one about "ethics" and hypothetical European courts.

Your allegations have no demonstrable basis in reality, so you are trying to make this into a witch hunt based on irrefutable sin instead of the presumption of innocence.

What do you expect HF's former execs to do, kill themselves to provide the pound of flesh you seek? Roll Eyes

When your point depends on generic appeals to ugly anti-USA nationalist prejudices, we all know you've lost the debate. Bankruptcy is only a sin in your Manichean, over-moralizing worldview. So take your content-free whining and go fuck yourself, Mr. Grand Inquisitor.