I too have an issue with BTC withdraws. I tryied to withdraw BTC three days ago and the requests are still open. I filled a support ticket two days ago, but still no answer. Would be nice to have informations about that issue since its a lot of money and its MY money. Please someone from intersango post some informations about issues with btc withdraws (from 5th dec onward) or answer to support tickets regarding this issue!
Whats going on?

If you actually send the money one could (juridical or morally) consider that you agreed upon this scheme and you will see you stucked in a difficult situation. What do you do if you sent the money and he considers this as an agreement and keeps sending you money in envelopes? You would be forced to keep sent him bitcoins.
I'm a fan of totally anonymous transacations but beware of becoming a money launderer just by beeing nice to someone how doesn't disclose anything but a bitcoin adress (on purpose!).

States are big organisations. And a lot of states were used to very bad things (I mean really bad things like genocide or willingly cause mass starvation). A state is not a good nor a bad things per se. So are corporations with which should fill the gap that a eroding state will leave, if you understood you well.
Thats exactly my problem. In contrast to a state a corporation doesn't have any ethical commitment by desgin. Believe it or not, some corporations are even using states to do bad things for their purpose! Because states (at least some) can be held responsible for not following their ethical and institutional agenda I prefer a state to a corporations governed society.

Of course can and will the state force you to reveal at least one adress. But how will they force you to give them all of your adresses you're dealing with?
If theres a way to force you in compliance a state will do so. But I don't see how in this case.

I was answering to your three letters question and took some time to give your reasons for my opinion. It would help when you would do the same even though it may look absolutely evident that you don't need to argue about that. So why don't you tell me why you think so?

Also regarding this argument I would like to hear what you're thinking, not that I'm just on the wrong side.

No, I mean really convice. How could you force someone to give out not just n bitcoin adresses but all of the adresses that you're in possession?

I do think that there are some tasks that are better performed by the market and some that are better performed by a state. Was it a good thing when firefighters were private enterprises and your house would just burn down if you weren't able to buy their services?
If you lower all the taxes (health care, social security, etc) especially poor workers wont get more for their work since the market will immediatly adopt to the situation and lower wages to the new level of minimum accepteable compensation. Taxes on wages are also a gurantee for a minimum of social security.
Taxes colected are bad managed in a degree that is unbearable. But I'm not ready to abandon the concept for a "If we just would have the REAL market" idea.

First of all, I'm part of the apparently small minority (if existent), that is not totaly abandoning the state as a concept.
The state could try to convience you to give out an "official" bitcoin adress where your payroll and any financial transaction of reasonable size could be tracked to collect VAT and other taxes. These "official" adresses would be mandatory to be stated in any contract and receipt.
Once received with a official adress it would be as hard to get your coins out of sight as it is today to launder your money the traditional way.
I do not like the imagination of such a concept but I rather prefer it to a total capitalism.

Sorry for to posting P/L:
I ran the script a few times for a few hours (run into an exception), so I wasn't able to propperly log the data. Anyway, I was running at High Risk with 25% max loss settings and faced losses between 1 and 4% everytime.
Oh, BTW, it was the last build you were posting here:


Thanks for resuming the work!

This thread was established to keep track of the two incidents.

1) Bitcoin-24.com suffered a attack on 31th of October 2012 (announced):

http://bitcoin24.zendesk.com/entries/22278332-mysqli-31-10-2012-server-attack

The maintainer had a strictily limitied hot wallet, which made it sometimes cumbersome for users to withdraw coins but should have limited the damage. He is willing to compensate everbodies losses, which the intruder managed to inflict by stealing the API-Keys that where enabled by default. It seems that the exchange itself didn't suffer any large damage in confidence since losses are compensated and business is back to usual. Only the API feature will be disabled for a while.

2) At the same time bitcoin.de is unreachable for at least about an hour, no further informations found. Maybe just maintenance work, but you never know.

UPDATE: At least apache is back online:

www.bitcoin.de:

It works!

This is the default web page for this server.

The web server software is running but no content has been added, yet.

Great idea, keep going!

Awesome, thanks a lot I'll run it now…

Just thought about it, a binary of an untrusted source equipped with my API-Key is not a good thing to do, but I would appreaciate any guide to compile the source. As I red in the posts isis switched frameworks several times, so I'm not sure how to do this.

I even would consider donating reasonable amounts of BTC, but I think isis what isis lacks is time not money.

Man, this seems to be dead, just spend two hours to read through the thread. It seems really promising. Anyone here able to post a working cross currency binary?

Yeah, he behaved quite bad and had bad manners. Didn't like his appearance. But his speech and ideas were great, even though he probably held this speech a thousand times and you could find similar speeches of him in the internet. Even though I wouldn't like to hang out with this arrogant guy, it was good that he held his speech though.

This is strange. I can do SEPA transfers with Intersango to Germany, and I sent and accepted SEPA transfer even inside Germany, so I can't see why Intersango should be able to switch from a domestic wire to a UK to UK SEPA, it is at least possible. Hm, how much do you need to transfer and do you need to transfer money often, I might open a polish GBP-Account next monday, which I could offer as a pass through.

At the very moment you are stating that


it becomes clear that this bet is a fucking scam, because you apparently didn't think a second about paying back. If you would have done so, you would have limited the maximum amount according to what you would be able to loose. This is bullshit.

And bitcoin.me is right, speaking in third person about oneself is a complete no-go and a reliable indication of… lets just say a weird guy, I don't want to be rude.

thats for sure.

I didn't have the time to read the whole BS&T thread, but wasn't the found only accepting large investments (>100BTC!). 100BTC would be a PPT account, right?

I tried for a few hours and crawled the forum for a solution but I'm still not able to fetch websocket depth for EUR.


It works fine for USD with (Ruby-code):


but I wasn't able to get EUR depth with the mentioned solutions.

These are not working:

Could someone please help me with that? Thanks alot!