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Re: Quickseller left himself positive trust using an alt account
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BespokeServicesLTD
on 29/04/2015, 17:37:30 UTC
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If by "main account" you mean "account being used now," then this is my main account Undecided
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Re: Quickseller left himself positive trust using an alt account
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BespokeServicesLTD
on 29/04/2015, 15:23:49 UTC
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IIRC Quickseller sold his account. I think it was Legendary. I saw a post of his saying about this. Will post the link if I find it.

Was it a "Trusted" account?  Do you remember the nick? Cheesy
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Re: Selling Bitcointalk Trust - which subforum to use?
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BespokeServicesLTD
on 29/04/2015, 14:52:17 UTC

No shit?  But they'd start caring if I started selling Trust, you say?  I'm friends with them, perhaps they might not care so much?
You know, If I don't sell trust in the open, newbies might not realize that green trust could be bought, and might not be as careful as they should be.  That's why account selling is allowed on this forum, to educate the unwary, amirite?

Nope, didn't say that either. Me warning you that it isn't a good idea doesnt equal an administrative ban on selling trust. If your friend gave you the trust that you then sell to people, your friend would then be removed most likely. It's not a rule, it's just how people tend to respond.

Huh.  So if you gave an account some greentext, and that account is sold and goes on to scam, you'll be removed from default trust?
As an educator, I sell my trust in the open, on Bitcointalk, for the same reason accounts are sold: so that newbies would know that such things happen.  That's how allowing Bitcointalk accounts to be sold has been rationalized by you, and I found your reasoning convincing Smiley

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Again, your lack of understanding of how trust works leads me to believe that you are making a statement rather than actually selling trust.

Lolno.
My story needs some backstory, beams and rafters of the stage upon which our drama's to unfold. Having the whole thing come out of the narrator's moth is just about the most boring way of going about it.
"So BespokeServicesLTD decided to sell his Trust, because he knew Bitcointalk has already turned into a giant bag of dicks."
Nah.

Letting the hero do it ain't much better, sounds artificial as fuck.
"OMG, BespokeServicesLTD!!1!," I said to myself, "is this humungous bag of dicks really what's become of Bitcointalk?"
Lame.

So we make our hero appear ignorant, allowing the secondary characters [you] provide exposition, thinly disguising our amateurish dramaturgy as lively question/answer dialogue [see this thread].

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Re: Selling Bitcointalk Trust - which subforum to use?
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BespokeServicesLTD
on 28/04/2015, 23:09:52 UTC
Oh goodness! Clicked on your trust, and one instance of my browser crashed; had to kill it with fire process explorer!
Guess the Good Folks at Google haven't though one tab would ever be called upon to handle so much red text  Sad

Hope I didn't piss you off in any way, 'cos I wouldn't wanna be on your shitlist.  No sirree Boob!
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Re: Selling Bitcointalk Trust - which subforum to use?
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BespokeServicesLTD
on 28/04/2015, 22:57:18 UTC
Obvious troll is obvious guys.  I would just ignore him.   Undecided

Why are you so confident that OP is a troll? What he's advertising sounds very plausible to me.

We all know that accounts with positive trust are already being trafficked, it wouldn't be impossible for someone to acquire an account in default trust level 2 and start giving out trust ratings for profit. How long this would last for is questionable though.

Then let the OP sell a person trust.  He'll lose his trust right away.  This is nothing but hot air.

That's what makes me so confident the OP is a troll.  Put up or shut up.   Undecided

No reason to get upset.
We're not dealing with worn-out legacy trust systems of yesteryear, Vod.  No!  This paradigm-shifting, game-changing disruptive technology is on the tipping point of turning into a Black Swan.  Revolutionary stuff, Vod, not to be rushed.

As soon as our legal team irons out the last few kinks and gives us the go-ahead, it's ON, it's Showtime!
Now then...
Will you be purchasing this Trust for your personal use, or as a gift for A Special Someone?

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Re: Selling Bitcointalk Trust - which subforum to use?
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BespokeServicesLTD
on 28/04/2015, 21:25:21 UTC
... you a scammy piece of crap. ...

Enough. You've earned the first spot on my ignore list Smiley

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Re: Selling Bitcointalk Trust - which subforum to use?
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BespokeServicesLTD
on 28/04/2015, 20:57:33 UTC
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If selling accounts was frowned upon or discouraged, more people would leave account sellers negative feedback. ...

From the unofficial list of unofficial not rules but suggestions to be interpreted however you wish:
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18. Having multiple accounts and account sales are allowed, but account sales are discouraged.
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mprep's forum guidelines reflect his personal opinion as well, hense the "unofficial" in the title.

Yeah, I've noticed the unofficial in the title.

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Account sales aren't discouraged by forum administration, because they don't care.

No shit?  But they'd start caring if I started selling Trust, you say?  I'm friends with them, perhaps they might not care so much?
You know, If I don't sell trust in the open, newbies might not realize that green trust could be bought, and might not be as careful as they should be.  That's why account selling is allowed on this forum, to educate the unwary, amirite?



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Re: Selling Bitcointalk Trust - which subforum to use?
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BespokeServicesLTD
on 28/04/2015, 20:09:18 UTC
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If selling accounts was frowned upon or discouraged, more people would leave account sellers negative feedback. ...

From the unofficial list of unofficial not rules but suggestions to be interpreted however you wish:
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18. Having multiple accounts and account sales are allowed, but account sales are discouraged.
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Yeah, I guess all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

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Re: Selling Bitcointalk Trust - which subforum to use?
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BespokeServicesLTD
on 28/04/2015, 19:46:05 UTC
...because you are doing something shady (selling trust is considered shady) then they are completely within their rights to remove you from default trust...

Interesting. So you're saying that selling Trust is shady and might get me kicked from default trust, but selling an account with green trust is ...not shady?
The difference being?

I didn't say that. You could be kicked from default trust for saying "hello" too much. Its completely up to whoever trusted you in the first place. As you have said, there is no rule saying you can't sell trust, there is also no rule saying you can't give inaccurate feedback. There are no rules to the trust system at all, the community makes up the guidelines, and selling trust is generally frowned upon. ...

Yes, and selling accounts is also "frowned upon," or "discouraged."  And yet... default trust members are selling with one hand and neg repping with the other, creating demand for more trusted accounts.

Pretty sure I'll do OK here, have solid grasp on how the trust system works Smiley

*BTW, Haven't answered my question: why is selling my Trust somehow shadier than selling a trusted account? 
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Re: Selling Bitcointalk Trust - which subforum to use?
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BespokeServicesLTD
on 28/04/2015, 19:26:32 UTC
...because you are doing something shady (selling trust is considered shady) then they are completely within their rights to remove you from default trust...

Interesting. So you're saying that selling Trust is shady and might get me kicked from default trust, but selling an account with green trust is ...not shady?
The difference being?

...How much are you charging? I might know someone who is interested if the price is right.

I'm sad to say BespokeServicesLTD is not of yet prosperous enough to start enabling our direct competitors.
Soon.
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Re: Selling Bitcointalk Trust - which subforum to use?
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BespokeServicesLTD
on 28/04/2015, 19:19:55 UTC
You shouldnt be selling trust ratings at all. This will only get your default trust removed and/or banned. Abusing the trust system is not allowed(I think)
But if you really want that, post it into digital goods or services (Marketplace)

Selling trust is not against the forum rules.  If it was a bad thing, theymos would have made a rule against it.
That said, you are posting to up your post count, and I'm happy to legitimize your comment with a reply.
Remember my kindness, and consider purchasing Trust from BespokeServicesLTD when you feel you can afford it.
Thank you.
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Re: Selling Bitcointalk Trust - which subforum to use?
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BespokeServicesLTD
on 28/04/2015, 19:12:20 UTC
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Okay, but if we suppose that Alice will buy a positive from Bob (he is in the defaultTrust list | 2). After Alice will tell that Bob is selling positive trust... what do you think it will happen?

Why should anything happen?  The Trust is mine, I have earned it, I can do with it as I choose, so I sell it.
There are no rules against selling Trust, I have delineated some plausible scenarios how bought trust could be used ethically, so not sure what your objection is?

What happens to Bob, a seller of trusted accounts, if Alice decides to rat him out?
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Re: Selling Bitcointalk Trust - which subforum to use?
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BespokeServicesLTD
on 28/04/2015, 18:57:35 UTC
... phony trust ...

I assure you, my trust is 100% real.  I have earned it, and now I'm making it available those who can afford it.
Save up your Satoshis, don't drug or gamble, and someday you'll be able to buy some Trust of your own.
And I'll be ready to sell it to you.

In the meantime, I thank you in advance for GTFO my thread.

MadZ: This account was already negative-ratted by Quickseller and a totally unrelated user who is totally not Quickseller within a few seconds after his comment.

Of course this account is not going to be trusted, that's why I plan to use a reputable escrow service.
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Re: Selling Bitcointalk Trust - which subforum to use?
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BespokeServicesLTD
on 28/04/2015, 18:31:15 UTC
Yep, you can sell trust of course, but it will be valueless, because no one at the higher level is trusting your account Smiley

It will be like selling hot air, but it's ok if you find someone that want to buy it Grin

Good luck!

Allow me to direct your attention to the topic post, which was edited down for your convenience.
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Let's say I own a default trust account and decided to make a few bucks by helping people out. ...

Pentax:
You clearly have nothing to contribute to the discussion.  Your foul language tells me that, according to Gandhi, BespokeServicesLTD has entered the "then they fight you" phase.

Kindly delete your post.
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Re: Selling Bitcointalk Trust - which subforum to use?
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BespokeServicesLTD
on 28/04/2015, 18:13:48 UTC
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Hmm... at the end it is (almost) the same thing but it is also obvious that when you (only as example) buy an account  you will buy all 'the account' with his history. Sell negative,positive or neutral trust is a little bit different than buying & selling of forum accounts.

However I do not think you will be able to sell 'bitcointalk trust' Wink.

Yes, buying a pre-owned account is at times more convenient, but many already own perfectly serviceable aged accounts, requiring only an addition of our Quality Trust to compete in today's fast-paced cryptosphere.
BespokeServicesLTD Trust Boutique caters to the needs of just such discerning clients.

Regarding BespokeServices ability to retail Trust, I assure you there's no need for concern.  My account-dealing colleagues were once met with similar incredulous bemusement.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win!

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Re: Selling Bitcointalk Trust - which subforum to use?
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BespokeServicesLTD
on 28/04/2015, 17:28:00 UTC
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I know you are disgusted with the buying and selling accounts but now you're just trolling and now others as well are entertaining your post.

You're mistaken.  Why would anyone object to buying and selling of Bitcointalk accounts?  I'm all for it.
To complete your quality pre-owned account, consider complementing it with a purchase of Fine BespokeServicesLTD Trust.

Sell trust , What the fu** am I reading  Roll Eyes? In my opinion it is not against the forum rules (because those rules are not clear) but it is not frowned upon by all the other default trust member (and obviously all the community). Maybe I am wrong but this was only my opinion.

My Trust Shop may be "frowned upon," but, as I understand it, so is buying and selling of user accounts.
Other than a trusted account being more expensive than my Bespoke Quality Trust, where do you see the difference?
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Re: Selling Bitcointalk Trust - which subforum to use?
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BespokeServicesLTD
on 28/04/2015, 17:08:17 UTC
You have not provided any evidence, kindly post a link.
Besides, why would we punish the many who use my trust responsibly for the wrongdoing of the few?

Link to scammers trust rating :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=44366

Link to one of the many scams:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114329.0

Is that enough? Now, give me your evidence!

The links are to accusations, not evidence.  Sure, Trust can be abused, but not BespokeServicesLTD Trust.
If selling trust was bad, I'm sure theymos would have made a rule against it.  He didn't, and here is why:

You can't ban selling trust, there's no way to enforce that.  Trust would still be bought and sold, but newbies wouldn't know about it, so they won't be able to protect themselves.

I'm selling my Bespoke Quality trust in the open, on Bitcointalk, so newbies would know it's done all the time and will be more careful.
Just like selling accounts.
You're not against selling trusted accounts, are you?


They are accusations and accusations are evidences! So what would you call an evidence?
And I am again telling you, "Trust is earned, not bought"!

If I accuse you of being a murderer, then, according to you, that's evidence of you being a murderer.
Please do not attempt buying Trust from me, your bid will be rejected.  I do not sell Trust to murderers.

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Sure, Trust can be abused, but not BespokeServicesLTD Trust.
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Prove this! Give me a 101% guarantee!

Trust is bought to scam! I don't see a problem in escrowing the funds if you don't want to scam others! ! Why don't you show evidences of people who buy trust not scamming?

I can not give you any evidence about my clients for the same reason my colleges, who sell Bitcointalk accounts, can not reveal the trusted accounts they sell: Privacy.
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Re: WTB shills for smear campaign
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BespokeServicesLTD
on 28/04/2015, 16:56:36 UTC
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Re: Selling Bitcointalk Trust - which subforum to use?
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BespokeServicesLTD
on 28/04/2015, 16:42:09 UTC
You have not provided any evidence, kindly post a link.
Besides, why would we punish the many who use my trust responsibly for the wrongdoing of the few?

Link to scammers trust rating :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=44366

Link to one of the many scams:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114329.0

Is that enough? Now, give me your evidence!

The links are to accusations, not evidence.  Sure, Trust can be abused, but not BespokeServicesLTD Trust.
If selling trust was bad, I'm sure theymos would have made a rule against it.  He didn't, and here is why:

You can't ban selling Trust, there's no way to enforce that.  Trust would still be bought and sold, but newbies wouldn't know about it, so they won't be able to protect themselves.

I'm selling my Bespoke Quality trust in the open, on Bitcointalk, so newbies would know it's done all the time and will be more careful.
Just like selling accounts.
You're not against selling trusted accounts, are you?

If you don't like the way the forum is run, then make your own. If it's truly a better way to run a forum, and this forum is so bad, then you should have no problem converting users, businesses, and making this forum obsolete.

If you really want to see a change, try having a rational conversation about it. I know you can. The trolling will just get ignored and won't accomplish anything.

I'm here on a forum that is mine as much as it is yours, to sell my trust, make a few $$ and help people out.
How is this trolling?

Are you implying that selling trust, without it being attached to an account, is substantially different from selling an account with green trust rating?
If so, explain how & why.
Rationally.
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Re: Selling Bitcointalk Trust - which subforum to use?
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BespokeServicesLTD
on 28/04/2015, 16:17:55 UTC
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You're funny! I guarantee the people who buy trust scam people!

So you don't have any evidence?  Fine.

Oh! You think I don't have any evidence? Actually I forgot to mention! So Here it is: ButterflyLabs
Buying trust from reputed members to scam!

Your turn! Evidence that they don't scam?

Edit: +1 Gomer.. but whats your real account? Tongue

You have not provided any evidence, kindly post a link.
Besides, why would we punish the many who use my trust responsibly for the wrongdoing of the few?

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post using your main account if you are so sure that what you are doing is as legitimate as you claim it to be.
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You are not posting from your main account, why is that?