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Re: 📣 [ANN] MixTum.io - Premium Bitcoin Mixer. Because Your Privacy Matters❗🛡️��
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on 13/09/2019, 09:15:45 UTC
>  Because Your Privacy Matters
nice slogan, let's check how the f*ck you follow it:


1. Cloudflare, again f*cking cloudflare around all "ANONYMOUS" mixers here, stop providing bullshit service:
Name Server: JEROME.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM
Name Server: LANA.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM
mixtum.io [104.31.78.226]
all requests are logged and provided to any authorities by request, be sure.
2. A bit analytics never hurt for mixer right?  Grin
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3. Did someone heard about bestmixer? shit mixer located in NL/LX and seized recently?
MIXTUM WANNA BE THE NEXT ONE!  Grin
HELLO, EUROPOL, CAN YOU PLEASE CHECK THIS ONE LOCATED IN NETHERLANDS? http://185.243.113.180  Grin
You can ez check that it's true server location by taking down this ip via any SYN/UDP/etc flood, onion and cloudflare shit will not be responsible.

well that shit secure and anonymous as hell  Grin, feel free to use it and wait for seize with all logs  Grin

this mixer is still shit, do not use it if you don't wanna be tracked by google/NL authorities and so on.
your privacy doesn't matter for these guys, keep away.
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Re: [ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented
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on 09/09/2019, 05:06:59 UTC
One time 5k btc or step by step? I bet you'll know answer after think a bit about this question  Wink You know nothing about person running mixer, so good, that you personally don't have a scam cap, but we talking about chipmixer.
I got an answer, so we can't prove and should just rely on some anonymous person running mixer who can simply not answer for few days if something went wrong with service. If they have enough money, why support is so poor? Hard to hire few ppl? Lol.
I don't have any 'magical' suggestion, project is not opensource or so, it's business and problem should be solved by creators of service, not by me or community, i'm not getting money from it or any profit. I just pointed to obvious problem which allows mixer operator do whatever he wants w/o being catched.
And you already agreed that the problem exists, good that they have a lot of trust here, but it's still coin laundering anonymous service running by anonymous person, don't be naive, any personal problems (family problems or so) can force him to scam some deposit and you'll not able to prove it, anything can happen and customer should be protected from it, or, at least, prove that they were scammed, with current service site they can't do it.

Inflows and outflows of bitcoins, estimate from a blockchain analysis company called Clain:

https://blog.clain.io/content/images/2019/08/image2-1.png

If their estimate is correct, at a given moment Chipmixer often holds hundreds of bitcoins on behalf of its users.

They can also afford to spend about $60k worth of BTC per month on their signature campaign, not hiring more customer support would be more an indication of them having trouble finding a person they could trust, than lacking money.

Any family problems to be solved with money also shouldn't be an issue, they must be making a lot of money from voluntary fees alone with their volume.
I see that it was done step by step according to chart as i said, thanks for proof.
Yeah, family problems will be solved with customers money, when someone with gun or so come to service operator and shoot in a leg of his child/wife/etc (for example Wink) you'll see how it'll be solved. And you'll not able to prove that you got scammed, but i think you're not using this service for large amounts so you just creating positive background here as other signature participants do. This service based on fake trust on this forum created by signature campaign, i see answers here only from paid guys. I got enough information, thanks.
Good luck with that service, if you wanna see your deposit wallet changed someday. I'm out from this thread.
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Re: [ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented
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on 08/09/2019, 07:39:39 UTC
So we returned to my first question: how should i prove that i deposit to you if you'll silently change deposit address? Who will be more believed on this forum: newbie lost money or mixer running signature campaign for 2 years? Answer is pretty simple, that's is why i'll never use that, nobody knows what is your cap of money for exit-scam.
They mixed at least 4,836 BTC from Binance's hacker and you are worried with their "scam cap"?

Every mixer has it, you can talk everything you want about it, but if someone deposit enough coins for your life you'll close doors or just scam deposit and keep working, because it's not possible to prove that deposit address is yours.
If you're really respectable service your must solve it and it'll attract more customers. But for now is just based on fake trust that you're will not change deposit address - not enough.
I can't prove to you but I also don't need it (and wouldn't even care enough for that). But I don't have a "scam cap". And others also don't. There are people near incorruptible in this world (and not everyone has a price).

What is your magical suggestion to help them solve this issue?
One time 5k btc or step by step? I bet you'll know answer after think a bit about this question  Wink You know nothing about person running mixer, so good, that you personally don't have a scam cap, but we talking about chipmixer.
I got an answer, so we can't prove and should just rely on some anonymous person running mixer who can simply not answer for few days if something went wrong with service. If they have enough money, why support is so poor? Hard to hire few ppl? Lol.
I don't have any 'magical' suggestion, project is not opensource or so, it's business and problem should be solved by creators of service, not by me or community, i'm not getting money from it or any profit. I just pointed to obvious problem which allows mixer operator do whatever he wants w/o being catched.
And you already agreed that the problem exists, good that they have a lot of trust here, but it's still coin laundering anonymous service running by anonymous person, don't be naive, any personal problems (family problems or so) can force him to scam some deposit and you'll not able to prove it, anything can happen and customer should be protected from it, or, at least, prove that they were scammed, with current service site they can't do it.
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Re: [ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented
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on 08/09/2019, 05:46:13 UTC
It's not fake security, it's just a protection from multiscam, in case i'll get scammed by chipmixer i can prove it to protect other ppl form using scam service, but current chipmixer site doesn't allow me to do that, they can scam money easy and just say that i deposit to wrong address covering it by "reputation" in this forum.

Being different than other mixers is valid excuse not to offer Letter of Guarantee. For example ChipMixer does not offer LoG because it is incompatible with chip withdrawal idea. It would be nice to have an additional security measure but sometimes you just cannot do that.

Letter of Guarantee works because:
- deposit address is public
- withdrawal address(es) is public
- transactions (deposit, withdrawal) are public
- all data is known beforehand and can be signed

If mixer does not send withdrawal transaction - user publishes LoG and everybody can verify:
- signature is correct
- deposit was made
- withdrawal was incorrect

You didn't understand my proposal, there should be 2 letters for this type of mixer (private keys based), one before deposit - one after. First letter prove that address generated by chipmixer, second one - private keys.
You still didn't answer: how should i prove that address generated by chipmixer in case they'll silently change it after large deposit?

With your proposal ChipMixer signs letter that contains address. User say they did not receive chips. They publish signed letter that address is ChipMixer address. ChipMixer says they released chips. Who is lying? Nobody knows - only known thing is that it was ChipMixer address and funds were deposited. User cannot prove they did not receive chips. ChipMixer cannot prove they released chips. What kind of guarantee is that?

Second letter - signed private keys - does not do anything for guarantee. If user received chips - they would not show second letter. If they did and ChipMixer show second letter - ChipMixer can sign anything they want - it does not prove anything.

So we returned to my first question: how should i prove that i deposit to you if you'll silently change deposit address? Who will be more believed on this forum: newbie lost money or mixer running signature campaign for 2 years? Answer is pretty simple, that's is why i'll never use that, nobody knows what is your cap of money for exit-scam. Every mixer has it, you can talk everything you want about it, but if someone deposit enough coins for your life you'll close doors or just scam deposit and keep working, because it's not possible to prove that deposit address is yours.
If you're really respectable service your must solve it and it'll attract more customers. But for now is just based on fake trust that you're will not change deposit address - not enough.
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Re: [ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented
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on 07/09/2019, 20:23:22 UTC
In this case Letter of Guarantee should be a proof, that generated address regarded to chipmixer, nothing more needed (i'm talking about before deposit step).
That's fake security. You'll still need the same level of trust, and if you'd claim you received empty private keys, you still couldn't prove anything.
It's not fake security, it's just a protection from multiscam, in case i'll get scammed by chipmixer i can prove it to protect other ppl form using scam service, but current chipmixer site doesn't allow me to do that, they can scam money easy and just say that i deposit to wrong address covering it by "reputation" in this forum.
You didn't understand my proposal, there should be 2 letters for this type of mixer (private keys based), one before deposit - one after. First letter prove that address generated by chipmixer, second one - private keys.
You still didn't answer: how should i prove that address generated by chipmixer in case they'll silently change it after large deposit?
Let's imagine someone lost 10 BTC. This guy register on forum and asking chipmixer about it. Chipmixer answer some bullshit about phishing or wrong deposit address, doesn't matter really. Of course on this forum nobody will trust a some guy who lost some money and even can't prove it except some unknown transaction to some unknown wallet, but will trust chipmixer because of their signature campaign and tons of ppl trying to protect service and money they getting from campaign.
So, as i said, chipmixer can scam anybody anytime and you'll not able to prove it, because you have nothing to prove except transaction hash. Enjoy 'trusted' service, lol.
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Re: [ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented
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on 07/09/2019, 18:11:17 UTC
Strange that this mixer doesn't provide letter of guarantee BEFORE i'll send coins.
A Letter of Guarantee can only be used if the mixer transfers mixed funds to a certain address. ChipMixer gives you private keys, and it's not possible to announce them before you deposit your funds.

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If means in case of selective-scam (large deposits) nobody will able to prove that address really regarded to chipmixer.
Correct. That's why they're highly trusted here.
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Exchanges or casinos don't provide you with a signed message before depositing either.
In this case Letter of Guarantee should be a proof, that generated address regarded to chipmixer, nothing more needed (i'm talking about before deposit step). What will you do if chipmixer will change deposit address silently after you make a large deposit? How will you prove that address you saw on page was generated by chipmixer? Post a screenshot? Lol.
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i trust exchanges much more than anonymous lagging service which even can't answer customers for few days, obviously. Strange that you comparing coin-laundering service with legal stuff, lol.
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Re: [ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented
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on 07/09/2019, 17:00:34 UTC
Strange that this mixer doesn't provide letter of guarantee BEFORE i'll send coins. If means in case of selective-scam (large deposits) nobody will able to prove that address really regarded to chipmixer. Very very strange for "trusted" mixer.

btw: tor not working, site time-to-time down.
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Re: ♻️ CRYPTOMIXER.IO — FAST, SECURE and RELIABLE BITCOIN MIXER (Since 2016) ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
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on 30/07/2019, 05:56:08 UTC
works well, but strange, still no NoJs version available.
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Re: [BITCOIN MIXER] [LOWEST FEE 0.4%] [HIGH VOLUME] [PRIVACY PROTECTED] BITMIX.BIZ
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on 30/07/2019, 05:50:05 UTC
Which one is cheaper, your service or the chipmixer?
I'm currently using chipmixer and the fee is really low although I don't totally tract the entire amount I paid but I think they are the lowest compared to all mixers I have use previously. I would like to know your service.
Chip work with PWYW (can be honeypot idk) so comparing makes no sense, also be careful while using chipmixer, if you'll use chips instantly (i mean you send 1btc, received private keys for 1btc and instantly send them, for example, to exchange) it can break your anonymity and simple blockchain analysis will be enough cuz all chips are known (as i remember even seized bestmixer created a tool to analysis it). Good traditional mixers don't have such problem if they work properly (not talking about this one, didn't check it).
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Re: [ANN] SmartMixer.io | Crypto Mixer | Be Smart, Be Anonymous!
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on 30/07/2019, 05:42:55 UTC
thread full of fake reviews posted by bountyhive[.]io lol
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Re: [ANN] SmartMixer.io | Crypto Mixer | Be Smart, Be Anonymous!
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on 27/07/2019, 18:52:41 UTC
Hello I wanted to mix but there is something I do not understand when setting the fee. There are several pools and by clicking on the tooltip I understood that the pools contain coins from different sources. But what difference does it make? Or does it mean, that the first pool isn’t anonymous but the third is?
Hello dear smartmixer team I am new to mixing because I didn’t know that such service exist. I like your vision about privacy and I am convinced that many people should use such service. But aren’t there criminals who use your service also to hide their identity? If so, is it possible to receive coins from criminals?

Currently, in terms of service, you are pretty much the same as all other mixers. The system works properly and I’ve received clean coins, as promised. But something is different here at SmartMixer.. I don’t know but have you seen their website? Looks really professional to me.. They woke up my interest through a banner on BMF. Through a simple question, of which many people actually know the answer: “Did you know the cryptocurrencies aren’t anonymous?”. For many, the alarm bells should ring. Not because they done something illegal, but because privacy is nearly the biggest reason for most people why they use cryptocurrencies. Many beginners do not know that cryptocurrencies aren’t really anonymous. And such type of people SmartMixer is addressing. Additionally, they offer a very user-friendly website, which any type of crypto holder is able to handle. Genius..But I think you need to do more aggressive marketing, more banners in well-known websites and so on. Is there even a signature campaign going on? I already took a look at the referral program and I think I’ll take part and support you guys. You have done great work, so please don’t throw it away.. I think this project can develop well and become huge!
shit comments for shit mixer behind cloudflare paid by bountyhive[.]io - marketing shit, care.

hello russians, are your mixer enough anonymous while locating your server in moscow?
http://185.158.113.157/ IPSERVER-RU-NET good stuff  Grin
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Re: 🔥 BMC (Bitcoin - Monero) Coins Mixing 🔥 Mix, blend, washing your coins 🔥
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on 18/07/2019, 10:24:28 UTC
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1. Kepping none of your data since 2017.
hey lying kid, you can just put in your first post: "KEEPING NONE OF YOUR DATA SINCE 16321 year before Christ", cuz nobody used your service and nobody trust you, go away or get some reputation before talking shit here.
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Re: BitMaximum.io - More privacy during Bitcoin exchange / Coin mixer
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CloudflareBot
on 18/07/2019, 10:18:01 UTC
holy shit TS can you stop talking about anonymity and other shit you never able to follow?
this mixer still unsecure and uses cloudflare, they provide all IPs and information to US and other authorities, enjoy the game.

Name Server: BETTY.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM
Name Server: LEX.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM
bitmaximum.io [104.18.54.54]

When you stop beating us up and asking for ransom, we'll be happy to remove cloudflare.))

We do not recommend people to use the web version of the services-mixers and exchangers for complete anonymity. And if anyone wants the real anonymity, they can use the Tor version. And in general, in life, always use Tor, that's all.

Anyone who doubts that we use cloudflare - Wellcome to Tor, if you do not like Tor - then do not use our service, but know that you will not find better.
oh boi you're so stupid
nobody needs your privacy unprotected service, a lot of mixers working w/o using cloudflare w/o any problems, and only your poor service beating 24/7 and needs cloudflare, lol )))))0)00
the true is you just wanna save few hundreds of dollars and use free shit and put in danger your customers anonymity.

i'll duplicate link already was sent in this topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1707954.msg17324396#msg17324396
DO NOT USE MIXERS WHICH ARE USING CLOUDFLARE, STAY AWAY FROM SERVICES UNDER US GOVERNMENT, ALL ACTIONS ARE LOGGED
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Re: BitMaximum.io - More privacy during Bitcoin exchange / Coin mixer
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on 15/07/2019, 09:28:49 UTC
you already provided enough customers information to cloudflare/etc, your answers will not help
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Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Mixer (Tumbler) - Secure Your Privacy. MixerTumbler.com
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on 15/07/2019, 09:01:53 UTC
Why Choose MixerTumbler.com

1) All Logs
We fully log any request to our server as well as cloudflare before our server log it also.

2) Analytics services
We put google shit analytics on our site, so you can be sure google know that you visited us, it'll show you adv based on this information.

3) Secured SSL connection
Our SSL connection fully supports MITM attack by Cloudflare.

4) Low fees
Our fees much more than any competitor on this forum.

5) TOR-friendly
We're friendly to TOR, but we need to log all your data, that's why we have no onion url.

6) No Registration
Registration is not needed, we already know everything about you after first visit to our site.
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Re: 📣 [ANN] MixTum.io - Premium Bitcoin Mixer. Because Your Privacy Matters❗🛡️��
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on 15/07/2019, 08:51:50 UTC
⭐ Merited by LeGaulois (1)
>  Because Your Privacy Matters
nice slogan, let's check how the f*ck you follow it:


1. Cloudflare, again f*cking cloudflare around all "ANONYMOUS" mixers here, stop providing bullshit service:
Name Server: JEROME.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM
Name Server: LANA.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM
mixtum.io [104.31.78.226]
all requests are logged and provided to any authorities by request, be sure.
2. A bit analytics never hurt for mixer right?  Grin
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3. Did someone heard about bestmixer? shit mixer located in NL/LX and seized recently?
MIXTUM WANNA BE THE NEXT ONE!  Grin
HELLO, EUROPOL, CAN YOU PLEASE CHECK THIS ONE LOCATED IN NETHERLANDS? http://185.243.113.180  Grin
You can ez check that it's true server location by taking down this ip via any SYN/UDP/etc flood, onion and cloudflare shit will not be responsible.

well that shit secure and anonymous as hell  Grin, feel free to use it and wait for seize with all logs  Grin
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Re: BitMaximum.io - More privacy during Bitcoin exchange / Coin mixer
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on 15/07/2019, 08:28:32 UTC
holy shit TS can you stop talking about anonymity and other shit you never able to follow?
this mixer still unsecure and uses cloudflare, they provide all IPs and information to US and other authorities, enjoy the game.

Name Server: BETTY.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM
Name Server: LEX.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM
bitmaximum.io [104.18.54.54]