Having lawyers in the family and without knowing the details I would advise caution on a lawsuit unless it cannot be avoided.

They can take years cost ridiculous sums to the degree that only the lawyers are happy and even if you win a big judgement many small builders will often have little in the way of assets on the books and just declare bankruptcy as it can be cheeper to just start a new company rather than pay.

Often it’s best to make a lot of noise show them you have evidence of wrongdoing, convince them you will sue and then once they are paying attention give them an opportunity to make things right via negotiation in return for you dropping the threat of legal action.

Thanks it has worked for me.

I think it also helps to look at history. Historically alternatives to the official government approved money have done poorly in times of severe economic distress as debts are denominated in government money and they must be serviced. Silver for example declined by over 60% in the great depression.
 
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4352389-silver-prices-during-great-depression

Silver bounced back rapidly after it crashed climbed until the mid 30s when the president made illegal to own silver bullion and via executive command with executive Order 6814.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6814

History rhymes so I expect bitcoin to do very poorly at least initially in a depression which we may be entering into very soon. Bitcoin is also volatile by nature as it is new and its declines will be compounded buy greed and leverage and the many scams in the altcoin space that will fall apart in a prolonged decline.

Longer term I would not be at all surprised if many years down the road when fiat truly fails and some centralized gov coin version 2 or 3 is rolled out as a rest there will be some similar executive order outlawing private possession of BTC so it can be transferred to the government to be exchanged for gov coins.

If I needed fiat in the next year I would sell BTC now even though it is a terrible price. However, long term I think BTC has a very promising if rocky road ahead. I don't need fiat and hope to buy more BTC so bring on the clearance prices.

I hope you are right. I have not sold any BTC during this run up or decline but I did sell a bunch a long time ago at 4k to start a small business. Business worked out fine and creates a nice independent income stream for me but I sure wish I started it with debt and not BTC.

I would love for a long multi year period with BTC at 10k so I could slowly buy back the BTC I sold. I don't invest in altcoins but Bitcoin was about 85% of my net worth at its 65k peak. That percentage is obviously a lot less now of course but other then the my horrible sale timing at 4k years ago I have pretty much ignored this recent market action. I guess it depends on ones timeline and confidence. I am confident in bitcoins long term prospects. The short term market changes are thus only distracting noise.

One thing that helps me keep a clear head is to assign a purpose to the BTC I own instead of looking at it as a total sum. The BTC I have right now is all earmarked for stuff either as future gifts for my children (I have a few kids), for my wife as a life insurance in case something happens to me (saves money on life insurance), or earmarked for grandchildren who don't exist yet using a guestimate on how many of them may eventually exist someday.  

I actually don't have any earmarked for my savings or retirement yet. Sold those back at 4k for the business. I need to eventually fix that and buy some BTC for me. I was not planning on doing that this year as was going to expand the business but if BTC drops to 10k I will put the expansion plans on hold and start buying BTC.
 
I would guess that we are going lower from here. However, if we do the storm shall eventually pass. The draining of fiat liquidity by the central banks cannot be sustained forever.

Perhaps some of the alternative media might offer better prospects.
Periodicals critical of communism like the Epoch Times spring to mind.

It passes but too much passing through at the same time can cause diarrhea and GI upset.

Vitamin C is very safe but once you go past 2,000mg it can cause GI upset including diarrhea.

Is it possible to take too much vitamin C?
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/vitamin-c/faq-20058030

Your thread your rules. I have reposted the information on potential immune boosting supplements here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5220206.msg54083990#msg54083990

I do disagree that this is off topic. We are just at the start of this and already there is a nationwide shortages of protective gear.

Coronavirus: Pleas go out for healthcare workers facing shortages of protective gear
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-pleas-go-out-for-healthcare-workers-facing-shortages-of-protective-gear/ar-BB11B5Uk

Many front line healthcare workers are very likely to be placed in situations where they must treat patients with insufficient protective equipment. Any comprehensive treatment strategy for SARS-CoV-2 at this point must in addition to the typical treatment algorithms also include the following.

1) Developing a plan for treatment when new supplies of typically disposable protective equipment cannot be obtained.
2) Assessing personnel risk and determining which personnel should or should not be allowed to enter situations that carry high risk for exposure.
3) Risk mitigation for the inevitable high numbers of healthcare worker who will contract this on the job.

I would make the case that immune boosting supplements fall into #3 and are therefore relevant to a discussion of treatment strategies for SARS-CoV-2. However, I realize that that this not the direction you want this thread to go in so I will refrain posting any further discussion of supplements in this thread.

Until there is a definitive treatment available for this one reasonable strategy for those at risk of being exposed to this is to take immune boosting supplements that have been documented to be safe and potentially effective against other viral causes of respiratory pneumonia.

There is no guarantee that a protective effect that helps against rhinovirus or influenza will cross over and help with coronavirus but it might and most of these supplements are safe with limited downsides.

The following are two supplements I have purchased and have on hand to take immediately if I develop any respiratory symptoms. I have also listed the studies that show these agents appear to be helpful at least with influenza. Hopefully their protective effect will cross over to coronavirus although this is unknown.


Elderberry Extract

Randomized study of the efficacy and safety of oral elderberry extract in the treatment of influenza A and B virus infections.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15080016

Elderberry Supplementation Reduces Cold Duration and Symptoms in Air-Travellers: A Randomized, Double-Blind Placebo-Controlled Clinical Trial
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4848651/

Vitamin C

The effectiveness of vitamin C in preventing and relieving the symptoms of virus-induced respiratory infections.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10543583

The relationship between vitamin C dosage and its effects on the duration of the common cold symptoms.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/03/170330115246.htm

What I am personally doing it taking 1,000mg of vitamin C daily and if I develop symptoms of respiratory illness I will start taking the elderberry.

Unfortunately there are no good studies on oral Vitamin C. All we have are a bunch of very small underpowered studies. There is even less data on dosing. The doses given in these small studies typically ranged from 500mg to 3000mg daily with the lower end dosing being more much more common. Vitamin C is generally harmless but can cause GI upset at high doses.

Here are four small studies looking at Vitamin C in the setting of cold or flu 3 showed a benefit one did not. All were very small.

There is of course no data at all looking at vitamin C and coronavirus. That said am currently taking 1g a day because the potential downsides are so negligible.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10543583/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16118650/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC478963/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11700812/

One of the challenges healthcare workers face when treating this is the high personal risk of infection.

Hopefully hydroxycloroquine or one of the other drugs being looked at will be a game changer but until that is certain anyone dealing with this disease on a daily basis may want to consider taking some of the general immune boosting supplements. Some of these have randomized trial indicating they are helpful with influenza.

It should be emphasized that there are no guarantees that agents that help with influenza will help at all with coronavirus. However, since these supplements are considered generally safe they are worth worth looking at.

The following are the two supplements I have purchased and have on hand to take immediately if I develop any flu symptoms. I have also listed the studies that show these agents appear to be helpful with influenza.

Hopefully their protective effect will cross over to coronavirus although this is currently unknown.

Vitamin C

The effectiveness of vitamin C in preventing and relieving the symptoms of virus-induced respiratory infections.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10543583

The relationship between vitamin C dosage and its effects on the duration of the common cold symptoms may extend to 6-8 grams per day.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/03/170330115246.htm

Elderberry Extract

Randomized study of the efficacy and safety of oral elderberry extract in the treatment of influenza A and B virus infections.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15080016

Elderberry Supplementation Reduces Cold Duration and Symptoms in Air-Travellers: A Randomized, Double-Blind Placebo-Controlled Clinical Trial
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4848651/

Unfortunately the theory that ACE inhibitors and ARB may increase risk is disturbingly plausible.
Covid-19 is thought to attack cells like SARS by binding to the ACE 2 receptors on cells in the lungs.

ACE inhibitors are known in at least some animal models to cause upregulation of ACE receptors.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/26859747_Upregulation_of_angiotensin-converting_enzyme_ACE_2_in_hepatic_fibrosis_by_ACE_inhibitors

It is therefore theoretically possible that this class of blood pressure medication as opposed to the other types could be an independent risk factor for disease severity.

However, while possible such a risk is not proven and uncontrolled hypertension also has known and proven risks. Also many alternative blood pressure medications that are not ACE inhibitors exist.

Are patients with hypertension and diabetes mellitus at increased risk for COVID-19 infection?
https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lanres/PIIS2213-2600(20)30116-8.pdf

There are many things that are oversold and in US medicine for profit but transplants don't typically fall into that category. Its very hard to get a transplant regardless of need due to a shortage of healthy donor organs.

Your correct that many transplant patients could have healed themselves naturally and avoided a transplant but the window of opportunity for such healing is usually long gone by the time a transplant is ever discussed. The kidneys and liver have a limit to their regenerative capacity. They can heal to a point but past that they won't recover.

The two most common causes of Kidney failure are diabetes type II and hypertension both of these can often be
treated by diet, exercise, and weight loss. The most common causes of liver failure are alcohol abuse and hepatitis infection also both preventable.

In health as in so many other areas of life people are often their own worst enemies.

Interesting video. Looks like this happened in 2009. Stories like this can change things. There has recently been research on this topic.

Note the results from the recent Cleveland Clinic study I linked above. They gave around 50-100 grams of vitamin C depending on weight to critically ill ICU patients over a period of three days.

In the study, 167 ICU patients with sepsis and ARDS who had been hospitalized for less than 24 hours were randomized to IV infusion of 50 mg/kg vitamin C in dextrose 5% in water or placebo every 6 hours for 96 hours.

At day 28, mortality was 29.8% in the vitamin C group versus 46.3% in the placebo group [95% CI, 2% to 31.1%]).

That is a very impressive difference in mortality.

Conclusion: If it was me and I had sepsis I would want it.

There is a large randomized controlled trial currently being done in the US for this. The ACTS trial. If the results of that confirm the Cleveland Clinic study then the treatment will probably become part of the standard of care for everyone.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT03389555

In regard to the debate upthread about vitamin C not being a cure for the flu. It is not a cure for the flu but that does not mean it is not potentially helpful both as a means of avoiding getting sick or avoiding death in the case of severe illness. Here are a few randomized controlled trials that will help people understand this better.


Effect of vitamin C on common cold: randomized controlled trial.
"A randomized, controlled 5-year trial suggests that vitamin C supplementation significantly reduces the frequency of the common cold but had no apparent effect on the duration or severity of the common cold."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16118650

Study Suggests Benefits of Vitamin C for Severe Sepsis
"“Patients in the control arm were much more likely to die within the first three to five days in the ICU than were the patients on vitamin C. The mortality benefit associated with vitamin C seemed to continue for the duration of the ICU course,”
https://consultqd.clevelandclinic.org/study-suggests-benefits-of-vitamin-c-for-severe-sepsis/

The best of course would be a vaccine or a targeted monoclonal antibody that the virus could not mutate around but lacking that vitamin C is not a bad idea at all when dealing with a virus with the potential for death and no other treatments.

I ordered some vitamin C and some elderberry extract to mail to my elderly grandmother.  She is in her 90s and is at high risk from this.

#4 is unlikely and #5 and #6 are not really possible. I know a little more then most about the testing process so let me share. The test used to detect the coronavirus is RT-PCR which is a common diagnostic test that uses DNA primers to amplify small segments of gene sequence.

Here is a brief three minute video that explains how RT-PCR works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRwoOBuk00c

The test at the University of Washington uses the primers recommended by the WHO. The WHO reports the results of their testing here.

Diagnostic detection of Wuhan coronavirus 2019 by real-time RTPCR
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/wuhan-virus-assay-v1991527e5122341d99287a1b17c111902.pdf?sfvrsn=d381fc88_2

The primers used by the WHO were reported to generate positive results with this new coronavirus Covid-19 and negative results with both multiple other coronaviruses and multiple other common causes of human respiratory disease.

Specifically the primers used were reported to result in negative results with multiple different samples of the following diseases.

HCoV-HKU1
HCoV-OC43
HCoV-NL63
HCoV-229E
MERS-CoV
Influenza A (H1N1/09)
Influenza A (H3N2)
Influenza A(H5N1)
Influenza B
Rhinovirus/Enterovirus
Respiratory syncytial virus (A/B)
Parainfluenza 1 virus
Parainfluenza 2 virus
Parainfluenza 3 virus
Parainfluenza A or -B virus
Human metapneumovirus
Adenovirus
Human Bocavirus
Legionella spp.
Mycoplasma spp

So #4 Some other virus gives the same results as CV. Is not impossible but these primers have been tested against the known human respiratory pathogens and returned negative results.
#5 Other viruses convert to CV randomly is not really possible based on the nature of DNA and viral replication same with #6.

So I agree you can add #4 to the list of possibilities. But its unlikely and since you don't need to use the WHO primers the CDC in the USA developed their own different primers for example you would need this rare error to occur multiple times with the same disease with different sets of primers or have everyone testing in on the conspiracy.  

I know that there is a single case currently in my town and an elderly male in critical condition in the ICU.
I can confirm for a fact that said patient exists having spoken to one of the doctors who works for that hospital system.

I know they sent a sample of his respiratory secretions to the University of Washington and it was reported back to the hospital that the sample tested positive for Coronavirus. Just today I learned that the Washington state lab confirmed this result so he is no longer a presumptive positive but a confirmed positive.

One of three things must therefore be true.

1) There is a Coronavirus patient in my local ICU.
2) Both the University of Washington Lab and the Washington State lab are part of a giant worldwide conspiracy.
3) I am a nefarious evil member of the NWO trying to trick and mislead you because that matters for some strange reason.

The truth is #1 but if you choose to believe #2 or #3 that is your call.
We all make the best decisions we can in a world of imperfect information.  

Also I am not dead though that last bit was a little morbid given the topic.
 

I watched about 10 minutes of it. The author seemed to believe that because he found a lot of news articles related to coronavirus that had the number 400 or 400,000 in it that this was all a fake conspiracy. Problem is there are lots and lots of news articles about coronavirus and search engines are good and matching words and numbers so the same conspiracy strategy will work for other numbers too.

The 500, 500,000 conspiracy.

N.J. to receive 500 more coronavirus test kits
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/03/nj-to-receive-500-more-coronavirus-test-kits.html

Britain and Vietnam confirm new coronavirus cases, death toll tops 500
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/coronavirus-latest-updates-china-hubei.html

At least 500 Wuhan medical staff infected with Cronavirus.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3050077/least-500-wuhan-medical-staff-infected-coronavirus

Lockdown! Government ready to limit sports crowds to just 500 PEOPLE if coronavirus outbreak escalates
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8084251/Government-cap-sports-crowds-just-500-coronavirus-escalates.html

The CDC has tested fewer than 500 people in the U.S. for the virus.
https://www.fiercebiotech.com/medtech/new-california-coronavirus-case-reveals-problems-u-s-testing-protocols

Coronavirus: Expert's worst-case scenario is 96 million infected in US with up to 500,000 dead
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-dr-james-lawler-warning-us-hospitals-infection-a9385031.html

Deadly coronavirus could infect 80 per cent of Brits and kill 500,000 in ‘worst case scenario’, document reveals
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11041657/coronavirus-could-kill-500000-brits/

Coronavirus May Infect Up to 500,000 in Wuhan Before It Peaks
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-08/virus-outbreak-in-wuhan-may-soon-peak-with-more-than-5-infected

Massachusetts Awarded $500,000 in Initial Federal Funding to Combat Coronavirus Outbreak
https://framinghamsource.com/index.php/2020/03/06/massachusetts-awarded-500000-in-initial-federal-funding-to-combat-coronavirus-outbreak/

Search engines are powerful tools. I got bored and stopped after the first page or two but the list above could have easily been much much larger.

I did not recopy your link because I felt it was misinformation. Your original post is immediately upthread for those so who wish to watch it.  

Ok well at then end of the day its really easy to tell if this is all fake or not.

Just wait a few weeks.

If its not fake millions of people across the globe mostly elderly will die an early death over the next few months and hospitals worldwide will be utterly overwhelmed. If its a fake as you seem strongly believe nothing at all will happen.

Prepare or not according to your assumptions.

All Hospital Beds In The US Will Be Filled With Patients 'By About May 8th' Due To Coronavirus: Analysis
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/all-hospital-beds-us-will-be-filled-coronavirus-patients-about-may-8th-according-analysis
 
Edit: Here is the research paper from China that is the source of the chart above.
http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51
I suppose one could write up a fake research paper too though so if you believe this is all conspiracy that may not be useful.  

See your problem is your failure to look at the issue objectively.

A rational and objective scale would look something more like this.

IQ 50-100 = Moronic Human who knows he is no genius
IQ 101-250 = Moronic Human with delusions of genius

What is more dangerous the moron who knows his limitations or the dilusional moron who thinks he is a genius?

Denialism: Definition

“In the psychology of human behavior, denialism is a person's choice to deny reality as a way to avoid a psychologically uncomfortable truth.”

scienceblogs.com/denialism