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Re: Betcoin.ag is trying to scam me off my 7,7k USD balance
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Coingambling
on 21/06/2023, 06:08:39 UTC
I got my initial deposit back a few hours ago.

Everyone can make up his own mind, but these are facts regarding this case.

- Betcoin.ag has failed to prove that I have violated their Terms of Service
- Betcoin.ag has failed to prove to me and other people asking, that they are currently holding an active license
- Betcoin.ag has been very generous with me by returning my initial deposit, in case I should have violated their Terms of Service (I will repeat myself, I have not)

Be very careful who you play with.

Moderator, please lock this thread.
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Re: Betcoin.ag is trying to scam me off my 7,7k USD balance
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Coingambling
on 20/06/2023, 13:09:57 UTC
Betcoin.ag has offered me to provide me with my initial deposit as they were not able to confirm multiple accounts.
I have accepted this offer as I am not interested in involving a third party mediator as this process would take ages.
Will let you know once I got the crypto.
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Re: Betcoin.ag is trying to scam me off my 7,7k USD balance
by
Coingambling
on 19/06/2023, 20:32:20 UTC
Hey guys,

no updates for now regarding their license situation.
Still also waiting for their resolution offer. I have made another step in their direction via mail and stated that I am open to find a resolution together as I want to get behind this.

Keeping you guys updated daily.

I've been on read-only mode for this thread since yesterday and actually wanted to pass for this case but, uhh... OP, would you perhaps consider to exercise some patience? It's barely 12 hours from your change of decision from contacting 3rd party mediator to a proposed alternate resolution, where you gave them 7 days [that's just two posts above mine], so... perhaps wait a little, they're still within the timeframe you gave them yourself. Not to mention that consecutive posts is highly frowned by the mods of the forum.

You are not in my situation.
But I can see your point and I will practice myself in patience, thank you for the hint.
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Re: Betcoin.ag is trying to scam me off my 7,7k USD balance
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Coingambling
on 19/06/2023, 19:34:20 UTC
Hey guys,

no updates for now regarding their license situation.
Still also waiting for their resolution offer. I have made another step in their direction via mail and stated that I am open to find a resolution together as I want to get behind this.

Keeping you guys updated daily.
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Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS since 2014 : KYC Rankings, Bonuses, Support
by
Coingambling
on 19/06/2023, 19:14:29 UTC
Coingambling has reported to a moderator here at bitcointalk that I'm lying about him in calling him a Professional Gambler. Here are his words:

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Hello,

I would like to inform you that my Piwi247 account got blocked today as their game provider are currently investigating my account.
Had a deposit last Saturday of around 10k€ and ran really hot on the exchange on multiple tennis players backing/laying them in consecutive matches.
All the markets I had won big had a decent liquidity on Betfair between 100k€-1 mio. € and all bets got graded by Betfair.

I was transparent right from the start with Piwi247 and I was not scared of hiding the fact that I am a professional gambler.
I also offered them that I will explain my thought process behind each bet in detail to show my support on the investigation - so far no response on this offer.

I will keep you guys updated about the progress.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5169089.msg61883270#msg61883270



How do you know my situation has not changed since then?
Do you have a proof that as of June I was still a professional gambler?
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Re: Betcoin.ag is trying to scam me off my 7,7k USD balance
by
Coingambling
on 19/06/2023, 08:13:51 UTC
If you would like to consult a 3rd party mediator, please let us know now, and we will communicate with the mediator only, going forward.  Everything that we have said prior about you getting the deposit back, as long as there are not multiple accounts will be null and void. We do not lose mediation, as we do not suspend an account without clear evidence of abuse. You will be subject to withholding of the entire balance, going forward. You get 1 mediator, so pick a good one! Please let us know what you have decided, as once our resolution is complete, the matter will be closed.

Provide me with a fair resolution of an unproven claim within the next seven working days.
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Re: Betcoin.ag is trying to scam me off my 7,7k USD balance
by
Coingambling
on 18/06/2023, 21:37:50 UTC
I would like to involve an independent 3rd party mediator in this case.
Do you agree on providing him with a proof of your accusations against me (as you do not want to provide them to me)?
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Re: Betcoin.ag is trying to scam me off my 7,7k USD balance
by
Coingambling
on 18/06/2023, 20:13:54 UTC
-SNIP

I see 3 other accusations on the first 6 pages. The first was resolved promptly, according to the player. The 2nd and 3rd were provable multi-accounting violations, 1 which was decided in our favor by a 3rd party mediator and 1 which the player didn't bother to follow up, as he knew he was guilty. If you want people to trust you, stop lying to them. No one has confiscated any money from you, as of right now. We have stated that you are in violation of terms and that we are reviewing the severity prior to resolving. I can tell you that with certainly, we are well within our rights to confiscate your entire balance, per the terms of service you agreed to upon signup. However, as we have stated, that is only done in the case of a previous violation. If this is your first offense, we hope that we have shown you that it is not worth returning, as your little bot scam doesn't work on us.

Regarding our relationship with this community, you are wrong again. Unlike you, we are daily participants here, and as was shown above, we are one of the oldest and most trusted books on the forum.
Coingambling - The only reason that I'm jumping in here is that you linked this thread from mine. I rarely stray from my thread. It looks like your account is just under review right now. I'm not taking a side either way at this point but will mention what other guides say about Betcoin.

If you look at the bottom of the 2nd page here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0 , you'll find other resources. I'll post it below. All the guides are pretty much in agreement that Betcoin is rated #1 or #2. Emotions understandably run high in these types of disputes but I wouldn't worry too much at this point.

Other sources:
Current rating guide by 100bookies https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5158369.0 https://100bookies.com/cryptocurrency-sportsbooks-eng/
Current rating guide by cryptogamingrevu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5419723.0 https://cryptogamingrevu.com/
Ratings by Bitedge https://bitedge.com/crypto-sportsbook-reviews/#top-crypto-sportsbooks
Old rating thread by RyanK https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577102.0
Old rating thread by Frue Greeds https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1820529.0

This includes all rating sportsbook guides here at bitcointalk. It's not selective.

Regarding our relationship with SBR, you are wrong once again. When they offered mediation on offshore books, we were in compliance with 100% of their decisions. Only one of their decisions went against us and it was because although were were able to prove that the player was in the wrong, SBR does not support confiscating the entire balance. They asked that we instead confiscate the winnings, which we agreed to. This is why he told you to take the deposit and run. He doesn't agree with our TOS, that we can confiscate the entire balance, however that rule is rarely used, only in cases where cheaters, like yourself, feel the need to keep coming back.

I have been in the industry almost as long as you have been.
I am having a major tennis knowledge and was the biggest tennis blog on Blogabet for ages.
All bets with you were placed on major tennis markets inplay.

https://www.wettforum.info/forum/bookie-section/buchmachertests/5368096-achtung-betcoin-ag-7-7k-usd-diebstahl#post5368096
https://centercourt.blogabet.com/

Share with us how you came to the conclusion that these bets were found by a software and executed by a robot and not me as a human being.
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Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS since 2014 : KYC Rankings, Bonuses, Support
by
Coingambling
on 18/06/2023, 19:34:37 UTC
I would like to ask for a careful review regarding the rating of the company Betcoin.ag based on the latest scam accusation:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456682.msg62421591#msg62421591

Coingambling, thanks for bringing this to the attention of the thread. Betcoin says that it's just under review at this point. No decision has been made. I wouldn't worry too much. Betcoin is a strong book.

So a strong book is confiscating a 7,xk USD balance stating it is clear that the player has violated the Terms of use and does not provide any proof behind the accusation despite multiple people asking for it?
If this is a strong book then what is a weak book?
I was in contact with Betcoin. Nothing has been confiscated. As I said in your thread, your case is still under review. As I also said in your thread, all rating guides here at BCT have Betcoin #1 or #2. That’s a strong book. It’s not just my opinion. Post number 2 here under other resources shows other guides. I’ve just been made aware of this and this seems reasonable.

Edit - I just read your thread so made an edit. One question, do you use a VPN?

If you really want to help here setup a call with both parties.
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Re: Betcoin.ag is trying to scam me off my 7,7k USD balance
by
Coingambling
on 18/06/2023, 19:16:00 UTC
-SNIP

In the history of BitcoinTalk scam accusations, no one has ever said "show me the evidence" and then been shown the evidence and admitted fault. Oddly enough, they just use the evidence to find new ways to claim they are not guilty! We don't provide cheaters with the information they need to find new ways to cheat. We have not spent many years and many hundreds of thousands of dollars developing this system so that we can bust it out for the first cheater who says "show me the evidence". We have thousands of people each month who are winning far more than you have, who don't have an issue. We have an exceptional relationship with SBR and an exceptional relationship with the BitcoinTalk community. You are the outlier. Learn from this, because if you keep trying to exploit bitcoin sportsbooks, it will happen every time. We will contact you within 7 business days with a resolution.

So to sum it up for everyone:
Betcoin.ag says I have done something which lead to a confiscation of my balance worth 0.291187 BTC (0.2036 BTC deposit, 0.087587 BTC profit). Betcoin.ag has invested hundreds of thousand of dollars in developing their system and is not able to explain how this system has identified me as a bettor potentially using third party software as it would allow new ways to cheat.

Betoin.ag pretends to have an exceptional relationship with BitcoinTalk, despite on the last six scam accusation pages here we have five major complaints against them.

Betcoin.ag pretends to have an exceptional relationship with SBR, despite the head of SBR just confirmed that their current practice in this case is theft/scamming.
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3727552-betcoin-ag-trying-scam-me-my-7-7k-usd-balance.html#post31198968

I think tomorrow Betcoin.ag will tell us that planet earth is flat.

Stay far away from this company. You will face major issues with them if you win a little bigger.
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Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS since 2014 : KYC Rankings, Bonuses, Support
by
Coingambling
on 18/06/2023, 17:54:27 UTC
I would like to ask for a careful review regarding the rating of the company Betcoin.ag based on the latest scam accusation:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456682.msg62421591#msg62421591

Coingambling, thanks for bringing this to the attention of the thread. Betcoin says that it's just under review at this point. No decision has been made. I wouldn't worry too much. Betcoin is a strong book.

So a strong book is confiscating a 7,xk USD balance stating it is clear that the player has violated the Terms of use and does not provide any proof behind the accusation despite multiple people asking for it?
If this is a strong book then what is a weak book?
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Re: Betcoin.ag is trying to scam me off my 7,7k USD balance
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Coingambling
on 18/06/2023, 17:35:27 UTC
Another 12 hours+ have passed without any further details from Betcoin.ag despite they have been online.

If you don't want to be in positions like this, stop cheating sportsbooks. That part is confirmed.

Prove it, we are all waiting for it.
Prove it once and for all to all of us.
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Re: Betcoin.ag is trying to scam me off my 7,7k USD balance
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Coingambling
on 18/06/2023, 16:25:28 UTC
Another 12 hours+ have passed without any further details from Betcoin.ag despite they have been online.
Still waiting for the details that leaded to their decision that I was using a detection software when making those live tennis bets.

Meanwhile, getting more and more support not only here but also in other forums.
Optional from SBR (that is like the major figure when it comes to gambling, not a sports bettor, but a person who is trying to negotiate in problematic situations with bookmakers and gamblers with major experience) even made a statement clearly stating that if Betcoin.ag do not refund me my money, he considers this a a theft/scamming.
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3727552-betcoin-ag-trying-scam-me-my-7-7k-usd-balance.html#post31198968


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Re: Betcoin.ag is trying to scam me off my 7,7k USD balance
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Coingambling
on 18/06/2023, 09:59:29 UTC
In the meantime, our reputation as one of the most trusted bitcoin sportsbooks speaks for itself

I would like to comment on this aswell.
I have taken myself the time now and checked the last six scam accusation pages on Bitcointalk.
On these six pages, the name of your company came across five times. With the amount of bookmakers out there, this is quite a major percentage.
So you are in no position anymore to say you have a reputation "as one of the most trusted bitcoin sportsbooks".

I am not able to speak on these other cases of course, I am sure people do wrong staff.
But I can speak for myself and I have never violated your Terms of Services, your accusations are simply lies and by now, no proof was shown from your side what could have valid leave the impression that I am using any software.
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Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS since 2014 : KYC Rankings, Bonuses, Support
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Coingambling
on 18/06/2023, 07:52:30 UTC
I would like to ask for a careful review regarding the rating of the company Betcoin.ag based on the latest scam accusation:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456682.msg62421591#msg62421591
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Re: Betcoin.ag is trying to scam me off my 7,7k USD balance
by
Coingambling
on 18/06/2023, 07:27:37 UTC

A very old casino will jus take a small amount is not worth it for them. It doesn't make sense for Betcoin.ag  had been around since the price of our coins are less than 10% of its current price.

But casino accusing you of violating their basic TOS will always come down to consequences when it look like you win and run. You violate a gambler's etiquette.

TOS violation is still a violation.

I do not fully agree here.
I am trying to find someone who can valid proof to me he got paid out a five figure USD  amount by this company yet after having won money.
We do not have any information regarding their liquidity structure. Maybe they have been dealing with lots of 100$ bettors over the past years?

TOS violation should be punished, no doubt about that.
But TOS violation should be proven first.
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Re: Betcoin.ag is trying to scam me off my 7,7k USD balance
by
Coingambling
on 18/06/2023, 06:22:49 UTC
Players can rest assured that we are still in full compliance with the regulations of Curacao. Once the new Betcoin is fully released, we will have an operable validation link, live at new.Betcoin.ag. In the meantime, our reputation as one of the most trusted bitcoin sportsbooks speaks for itself.

This player must be unaware of our reputation, however, because by threatening to go to BitcoinTalk, SBR and arbusers, he was clearly unaware that it is well known that Betcoin is a book that takes a hard stance against bets, which are decided upon and placed by a computer. This has been established multiple times on this and every forum. Fortunately for the industry, many other books are now coming together and sharing tips and technology to detect this same type of behavior. Unfortunately for this player, his remaining time being allowed to do this will be short-lived. None of the other reputable bitcoin sportsbooks on this forum will permit him or players like him.

Regarding this being a "scam accusation", the player needs to review the definition of scam. We did not set out to take his funds. It was not our intention to operate for 10 years just to take his 0.1 BTC in earnings, all the while paying out much more than that, countless times per day. We did not intend to have to spend the next week going through his data, trying to see if he has had previous abusive accounts. We wish we did not have to do this at all. But that's where we are and we have informed the player that a resolution is coming within the next 7 business days. If this is a 1st offense, we can certainly treat it as such, however in these cases, we have to do a full investigation or else previously banned players would have no reason to keep creating new accounts.

As always, players who don't need a robot to tell them who to bet on are welcome to play! Check out the early stages of the new Betcoin at new.betcoin.ag. Thanks and best of luck to all.

I would like to ask Bitcointalk to block Betcoin.ag from anymore posting/advertising for now after this post.

Everyone reading can see now:
- First and most important: the company has still completely failed to provide any reasoning on how they came to the conclussion that I have violated their Terms&Conditons despite asked by me and other individuals now.

- The company is trying to take the "wind out of the sail" by now "analysing for 7 days" whatever
- The company talks about "taking" my 0.1 BTC while they are actually withoding 0.29187 BTC of my balance

I see that I am receiving great support not only in this post but also via direct messages.
Thanks a lot to everyone!
Stay far away from this come, major red flag here.
- The company has still failed to provide us with a link where we can see they are still having a license and who I can contact
Without that, we are talking robbery here
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Re: Betcoin.ag is trying to scam me off my 7,7k USD balance
by
Coingambling
on 17/06/2023, 22:58:23 UTC
They have been smart enough to now delete the hyperlink on their website to the license provider.
Beparanf checked for the license aswell and also saw that their license has expired.
Make sense, the curacao gaming license seal with unique link should be in  the website footer. So betcoin.ag is operating without a license then?

They still have the symbole on the bottom of their page but you are not directed to the license provider anymore after clicking on it.
Earlier you were directed to their former license provider now clearly stating that Betcoin.ag´s license has expired as also seen by Beperanf.
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Re: Betcoin.ag is trying to scam me off my 7,7k USD balance
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Coingambling
on 17/06/2023, 22:21:35 UTC
Upon checking with their license provider, their license has been suspended.
Can you share a screenshot or a link about this, just curious.

<...>
 with regard to using banned scanning services to find and place arbitrage/value bets.

Out of sheer curiosity, would you happen to know the whereabouts of these remarkable arbitrage/value bet scanning services? It's for a super important school project, you know. Wink
I wonder what it is, usually casinos just use a general term when it comes to reasoning when their "alleged" user uses a banned service, trick, anything that is against them. When in the very first place they can detect it to warn the users first and banned them, but no, they will wait until the alleged user will withdraw, give their personal info as they required then totally banned them. They don't just get the money but their personal information as well


Regarding point 1:
They have been smart enough to now delete the hyperlink on their website to the license provider.
Beparanf checked for the license aswell and also saw that their license has expired.

Regarding point 2:
This would be interesting for me aswell. Why have they asked me for the massive amount of KYC (I did not place any bet 12 hours+ before that anymore), got provided with it from my side before closing down my account, accusing me of having done something against their Terms and Conditions.
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Re: Betcoin.ag is trying to scam me off my 7,7k USD balance
by
Coingambling
on 17/06/2023, 22:12:58 UTC
I'm not trying to defend betcoin.ag and I've nothing to do with them but, unfortunately, it seems like some people are trying to get advantage of the freedom of peach this forum is offering to attack their competitors. I hope this is not the case here.

OP, please provide some proofs to back up your claims, otherwise no one is going to believe you giving that those Accusations ate coming from a newbie account with no reputation.

I am not sure if you understand what account suspension means but it means you are not able to login to your account anymore.
As a consequence, I am not able to see my bets anymore.

Furthemore, I am the one who is getting accused of having done something wrong here so far without mentioning any reasoning for these accusations.
The fact that 4/5 bets were live bets even requires more proof from Betcoin.ag on how they came up with the conclusion that I was using a software here.
I think we would all be interested which software that should actually be.