Don't the clowns recycling FUD realize the overwhelming bulk of the biggest wallet balances are held by exchanges?

The same goes for pretty much every coin.

Of course Block.one will also likely have one of the biggest balances, which shouldn't be any surprise to anyone (unless he/she is new to all this and lives in a vacuum).

At this moment, there's only 14 pages of 158 EOS projects listed here, and I believe it's not all of them... https://eosindex.io/posts.

I figured out everything I wrote out after about 20 minutes of researching, which doesn't seem like a lot of time when researching something one is considering putting money into. Also, the ICO had been happening for about a year, so it's not like people haven't had tons of time to figure out what's happening on their own.

It's also not like the way EOS is working during its launch hasn't been clearly stated, publicised and explained to everyone, including on the EOS official website.

They are trying something totally new, so...
To participate in something so new requires paying some attention, but not much.

I don't see that as a huge drawback. I'm also having a hard time identifying where people will lose any coins other than being totally stupid by falling prey to scams or thinking their ERC-20 placeholder coins are the real EOS coins when they're not (and then never claiming their real EOS coins).

Those blunders would fall into the category of being "totally stupid" in my book.

Other than that, for people with coins on the reputable and enormous exchanges currently allowing EOS trading, it seems all the technical aspects will be handled by those exchanges before they allow people to transfer any real EOS coins off those exchanges.

For those holding their EOS balance placeholders in ETH wallets, EOS has been publicising how the claiming of real EOS coins will work with those placeholders for a while now.

Of course that doesn't mean there arent still totally stupid people in the world unable, unwilling or too lazy to do a little reading before sinking their money into something (or too lazy to check into mandatory software update developments (after they've been around for months)).

Many others salute those people, because their lost coins from errors like you described above only decrease the overall coin supplies in the long run.

Try not to ever be one of those people.

I would be inclined to think people would do their research before complaining, but that would be expecting too much from people, I suppose.

All of these questions are answered all over the place.

They are in the testing phase now (phase 2 of 4), which could take days, something that was very well publicised, including a huge article on Coindesk.

Anyone with EOS coins on an exchange should currently leave them there, as there is no wallet yet. No one yet knows which will be the main chain, and untill they are certain everything works, a blockchain rollback is possible, hence they are in testing. Therefore, there is no wallet yet. There is also no block explorer yet.

EOS coins currently on exchanges are placeholders for what will be swapped to "real" EOS coins once people are free to move their holdings around. The exchanges I know of are taking care of any technical aspects of exchanging any placeholder coins into real coins for people with coins on their exchanges.

Whether various exchanges will honor any airdrops following (or happening during the launch) largely remains to be seen. Hopefully, most will. The more hell everyone gives the exchanges, the more likely they will be to honor any airdrops, hahahahahahaha. But do give them some time to sort through all the dust and make official announcements about airdrops before giving them any hell.

Additionally, anyone who pre-registered their ETH wallets and are holding their placeholder coins in an officially approved ETH wallet (as opposed to on an exchange), will gain access to any airdrops once the dust settles. Placeholder EOS coins in officially approved ETH wallets will then need to be claimed for real EOS coins once officially approved EOS wallets are up and running.

Remember, ERC-20 placeholder coins were just used for the ICO, and once real EOS coins are released into the wild, they will be their own animal, which means they will not be ERC-20 coins. The ERC-20 EOS coins are just placeholders for the balances people will use to claim real EOS coins once official EOS wallets are up and running.

Until people are 100% ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN they have determined what the main chain will be (as well as which wallets are officially on that chain), no one should attempt to move any coins around.

There will likely be a million scams, which is all the more reason to be 100% certain of what you are doing (from information distributed from official channels) before doing anything involving moving coins.

Here is a launch tracker to watch the four phases switch from one to another https://eosnation.io/eos-launch-tracker.

I suggest following EOS Twitter for updates, too... https://twitter.com/eos_nation

Here is another ineresting site posting mostly interesting social feed updates, as well as a general phase tracker... https://eoscountdown.com/

The trollbox closing is the tip of the iceberg. Let's not forget margin traders being unable to close positions on the way down, forced unintentional liquidations at ridiculous losses, order cancellations not working, orders not working in general, and a seemingly endless array of stop-limit order issues, not to mention horrendous lag rendering the site unusable, lag that only ever seems to benefit in the direction of people losing big time. Buying on the way up never seems to be an issue. It's on the way down where the real problems happen.

Also, the way all their delisted coins pumped like crazy just before delisting announcements were made was the shadiest thing I have ever seen at an exchange (short of closing doors and running off with everyone's money).

Anyone who thinks them closing the trollbox is a sign of progress is either an idiot who got lured into bad trades by it, has almost no skin in the game, or is completely oblivious to what is happening there.

The trollbox is likely gone because it became a shitshow of endless people with endless unanswered support tickets going on three months old, including many complaints about within-limit withdrawals not being processed.

Now, no one will be able to see the true extent of the damage Poloniex is doing to its users.
Now, no one can escalate a support ticket with the help of a mod.
Now, everyone is cut off from each other.

If anyone thinks the reason for this new development is anything different than what I am stating, they should have their head examined.

And, on a final note, I have no money there, and I haven't for a while, because they are looking an awful lot like Cryptsy did toward the end, so this post isn't because I am personally having issues. I'm mainly appearing because the responses here are so doe-eyed and ridiculous, it's clear this thread badly needs a dose of reality.

I have been closely watching what's going on at that exchange for a while. Them closing the trollbox is a giant step toward further non-transparency in whatever enormous issues they might be having.

My understanding is the coins don't get burned, and it also clearly doesn't matter that they don't get burned. Strat will increase in value as more people wish to use its multi-faceted platform. It's that simple. This isn't a Ripple rip off scheme to falsely inflate value by burning, uhhhhhh errrrrrrr, "locking up" coins. The main way coins will be removed from circulation is the operation of Masternodes, the one announced level that is currently for sure being 250K Stratis to run a Masternode. The total supply of Strat will be about 98,300,000, INCLUDING whatever is taken out of circulation by people running Masternodes. There will also be lower levels of Masternodes performing different tasks. Those haven't been announced yet in terms of the numbers of Strat required to run them, but I think it's safe to assume they will look something like 100K, 50K, 25K in order to run those lower levels of nodes, and it has already been officially announced there will definitely be lower-level nodes, the finer details of which will soon be announced. Then, those coins required for the lower levels will also leave circulation as more people decide to run those sorts of lower-level nodes.

So, there will consistently be coins leaving circulation, and there will consistently be more demand to use those coins due to Strat's unique platform written fully in C#. Devs like this because they don't need to learn a new programming language to build on the Stratis Platform, as is complicatedly required to build something using Ethereum. No offense meant to Ethereum, but that is a fact. Stratis is more accessible to a huge amount of devs who are already fluent in C#, so the demand for Strat consistently increasing is pretty easy to see happening for multiple reasons, not all of which I bothered to mention.

One final thing I will bother to mention is that Strat's sidechains will all be built off of the BTC blockchain and will allow sidechain upon sidechain to be used on the BTC blockchain without introducing bloat. It is completely complimentary to Bitcoin, even beneficial for it. New sidechains can also be built upon any Strat sidechains, all without increasing bloat on BTC's blockchain (or any other Stratis sidechains). We all know there is no more secure of a blockchain than Bitcoin's, and that is one more enormous feather in the Stratis cap. Businesses will like having their private sidechains running on what is widely accepted to be the most secured and well-known king daddy blockchain of them all. All this is pretty incredible once you start to fully absorb what is possible, and I haven't even mentioned the capabilities of Stratis Platform's new Breeze wallet yet...

An alpha Breeze wallet has already been publicly released (with full, concise instructions for anyone interested in messing around with that in a testing environment). Breeze will soon enter beta testing, and it is expected to be commercially released as a full working version before the end of June.

The bottom line of all this is that Strat is just getting started, and you ain't seen nothing yet. The price has plenty of reasons to keep dramatically increasing following the commercial version of the Breeze wallet being released, but a huge jump can and should be expected when that commercial version drops, so if I were you, I would buy in as soon as possible. No one knows exactly when the Breeze wallet will be announced as a proper commercial release, but it can safely be expected Breeze will be commercially released before the end of June. Strat's team has met or exceeded every promise on their timeline since their humble beginning in mid 2016, and it has been repeatedly stated that the Breeze wallet will be working as a proper release in Q2 of 2017.

Why do people keep quoting that entire FOMO post designed to make the price dump? It just means people will read it over and over again, and people are clearly stupid enough to start believing something absurdly false when they read it over and over again. Just take CNN, for example.

There aren't even anywhere close to a single billion Stratis coins in existence, nor will there ever be (by a very longshot), so Deprecate should try defecating somewhere else to ease his FOMO, as he clearly and wrongly says it will cost "billions in tokens" to run a single private blockchain for a single business. It would seem Deprecate also believes no business will ever choose to spend any Ether either. Deprecate's name alone says all anyone needs to know.

lol. Just being honest. I really do wish the best for anyone holding this, but the wait has been epically, absurdly and inexcusably ridiculous. From my perspective, I will leave you with a bit of completely true humor (but it was never funny at the time)...

BTC goes up, Supernet goes down.

BTC goes down, Supernet goes down.

NXT goes up, Supernet goes down.

NXT goes down, Supernet goes down.

NXT stays the same, Supernet goes down.

BTCD goes up, Supernet stays the same (except in an EXTREMELY rare instance, thankfully) for an incredibly quick spike that was caused by people mistakenly believing the rise in BTCD would be followed by Supernet. It's a miracle I was paying super-close attention at the same time and could finally make my exit.

BTCD goes down, Supernet goes down.

Supernet's trading volume is perpetually such a joke, it takes days for an order to go through that isn't punched through immediately (unless you are crazy-low-ball buying), probably the biggest reason you will soon feel trapped.

That's been my exact experience for years, with exceptions rarer than finding gold when flushing the toilet, so hopefully things get better for everyone else. See if you find your experience to be any better, but I doubt you will.

As someone who bought into the ICO, my view is this project has been a total waste of money. What was promised years ago was never delivered, and as I recently sold my Unity during an INCREDIBLY RARE market spike, I ended up with roughly 1/3 of what I paid in the ICO. Had I sold today, that would have been closer to 1/4, YEARS after the ICO. So, all said and done, I want to warn the new batch of people who blessedly bought my crappy asset at a drastically inflated price that it never went ANYWHERE in YEARS. The joke of a batch of lame dividends that ever were paid to me holding Unity in my NXT account are utterly worthless. After spending thousands on Unity, I received dividends that now show a total worth in my NXT account of less than 100 NXT. Awesome! Thanks for catching me in the trap of this madness, and it's great to finally be free of it. Following selling, I immediately made more gains with the measly BTC I took than I ever did holding this asset, which I ultimately sold for a terrible loss in the end. There's really no excuse that could possibly make a difference, in the future or now, no matter what happens to the price, and from the looks of it, it still seems it has never been clearly defined what Unity will bring anyone in the end. Good luck, and good riddance.

All joking aside, it's probably nothing to trip about. I imagine it will be back soon.

It depends on whether the employees got as much as they wanted before the rise or not.

Because it was rising so much, they simply couldn't believe it. Wait until it comes back online!

Prepare for blast off...

And now... you have proven yourself to be an ignorable idiot. It's a shame. I wasn't thinking that before.

Progress! Thank you, Matthew!

Will the same automatic .config creation be happening with the Mac download, too?

Weird. Maybe it is only an issue on 10.9.5 and earlier. Maybe it has recently been fixed, and no one bothered to mention it. Maybe you downloaded the wallet from a different source than what is linked on the front page of this forum or the official website (I tried both). Maybe, you already had the system files in your Library from a previous installation. Whatever the case, I am not the only one who has had this issue. Lots of people have. In fact, I just did a new installation of a wallet a couple weeks ago on a fully updated 10.9.5 and still had the issue. That's what prompted me to finish the tutorial.

What system are you on?

UPDATE: It hasn't been fixed, at least not on 10.9.5 (one of the the most used OSs for Mac, as lots of people don't like Mavericks), because I just replicated the issue on another computer.

UPDATE #2: Mega download was only link listed on the front page for a very long time. That link is now repeatedly giving me a temporary error when trying to download from it, so hopefully someone is silently trying to fix the issue I mentioned. I am now trying the NEW Bitbucket download link (that wasn't there a couple of weeks ago). I will report back if that worked or not.

UPDATE #3: I just successfully downloaded the wallet from the Bitbucket wallet link in Safari, and I am happy to report the wallet appears to have opened.

UPDATE #4: The download link from the official BTCD website has also been changed from Mega to Bitbucket. The official website linked to the non-working Mega download forever (at least non-working if you used Safari), so that is showing some progress. Thanks, guys!

CONCLUSION: Don't use the Mega download link, the one that has been on the front page of this forum and the official website FOREVER, with Safari. Use the NEWLY posted Bitbucket link instead, and feel free to read the Mac tutorial if you don't know how to create a .config file, because that appears to still be a necessary step to get your wallet to synch.

FINAL CONCLUSION: Make an installation file that automatically creates a basic .config file for people, like almost every wallet has, and thanks for making the Mac wallet downloadable from Bitbucket. It appears the Mega link was the culprit (and has been for damn near forever).

I'm a holder, not a troll, and I also bothered to take a good deal of time to help solve some of these issues by donating a tutorial to this forum. I am not against anyone here. I am (and have been for a while) pointing out some really rudimentary things that need to be taken care of as soon as possible. I don't know how to program, so all I can do is write about what I guarantee will make for a better user experience.

Here is a dumb example you probably aren't aware of:
The wallet DOES NOT WORK when downloaded with Safari on a MAC. You absolutely must use another browser. If you don't use another browser, proper .config file or not, the wallet appears for a split second and then disappears. In fact, the system files needed to run the wallet won't even get created. There is nowhere to even put a .config file unless you use a browser other than Safari to do the wallet download. Are you going to tell me the problem is my ISP and network settings for that one?

That should be front page news, not buried in a tutorial somewhere for someone to discover after ripping their hair out. Better yet, fix the issue. Why is that even a problem? Do people have that same problem with other coins? I'd wager they don't. The last thing an even above-average person is thinking after downloading a faulty installation file is what browser he/she used to do the download, particularly when that browser is the default browser on a bazillion computers, like it or not. Following a poor Mac user figuring that one out on their own, the rest of the process of making a .config file is not as simple as just saving a text file, like it is on a Windows computer. People shouldn't need to go through that experience. It doesn't point to a rite of passage or a badge of honor they must "earn" to be involved in boutique crypto. It points to a faulty installation file that isn't as good as it could be (with just a little more work put into it). These are simple things that require a tiny bit of backtracking to fix. They should be fixed.

Thanks for the kind words. I'm okay. In fact, I was the one who wrote the Mac tutorial that is linked from the front page.