I agree with haploid23 - we come here to find out what is going on with WafflePool.  There are a 1000 other threads dealing with tuning Scrypt based miners which are more appropriate.  Keep this up and it'll turn in to the MiddleCoin thread.

I didn't update yesterday but here is today's which is over 9.8 days.  First time the average has dropped below .01 BTC/MH for me.

MH (Avg)= 26.25MH (-3.86%)
Hours= 235.75
BTC/MH (Avg of 11 miners)= 0.00993079
BTC/MH (Max of 11 miners)= 0.01129942
BTC/MH (Min of 11 miners)= 0.00944803
Today's Trend= -0.55%

I actually had a negligible improvement today and held above 0.01 BTC/MH.  I think given today's issues that is enough to hold on.

MH (Avg)= 26.609MH (-2.63%)
Hours= 189.12
BTC/MH (Avg of 11 miners) = 0.01001526
BTC/MH (Max of 11 miners) = 0.01231412
BTC/MH (Min of 11 miners)  = 0.00959575

Today's Trend = +0.12%

Today's update shows a large 4% drop (the BTC/MH has been in decline for days).  That correlates with yesterday's low payout (nearly 50% of prior days).

MH (Avg)= 27.236MH (-3.51%)
Hours= 162.45
BTC/MH (Avg of 11 miners)= 0.01002256
BTC/MH (Max of 11 miners)= 0.01411054
BTC/MH (Min of 11 miners)= 0.00882743
Today's Trend= -4.06%

This is over 6.7 days - if it doesn't improve tomorrow my stats will crack sub 0.01 for the first time as an average.

MH (Avg)= 26.819MH (-5.93%)
Hours= 138.87
BTC/MH (Avg of 11 miners)= 0.01050958
BTC/MH (Max of 11 miners)= 0.01355961
BTC/MH (Min of 11 miners)= 0.00990492
Today's Trend= -0.92%

Today's update shows another downward move for my miners but only 0.92%.  The worrying part though is that while yesterday the accepted MH matched very closely with my client side today I'm seeing a 5.93% drop.  I don't see anything on the miner's themselves to account for that.  Rejects are still very low.

Have you tried using WAFFLEStats?  Its linked to on the miner page and includes an average hashrate. 

I thought I saw someone said the whale had left but according to this he's back http://wafflepool.com/miner/14t8yB3PDGfZT3VppxMY4J9xiBaXUcZvKp.  A $60,147.45 payout for today - tried to trace it in the block chain but it appears to get divided up to small chunks over dozens of transactions all happening one after the other.  No idea whats going on there.

WAFFLEStats is down so I relied on the WafflePool stats page today.  

MH (Avg)=28.16 MH
Hours=115.98
BTC/MH (Avg of 11 miners)=0.01022109
BTC/MH (Max of 11 miners)=0.01150922
BTC/MH (Min of 11 miners)=0.00976015

Trend=-3.23%  (calculated from last average)

I would second this.  If we go to multiple payouts it's going to be difficult on our side to keep track of payouts and hence profitability - very easy for people to start complaining about 0.0004 BTC/MH payouts.  So long as I can check a miner and see its pending and paid for a 24 hour period I can keep up with the accounting on my side.

Paid, Pending Payout, Unconverted and Total.  Total is what I care about.  People may only look at paid in their BTC/MH calculations but I count it all so exchange problems don't spook me.

Thanks for your updates poolwaffle.

As an update for my 11 miners, I am now seeing an average of 28.16MH/s accepted which is almost dead on what I see from the client side.

In 83.85 hours I now see a 0.01048056 BTC/MH average (highest is 0.01217259 and lowest is 0.00996523). 

The average was pushed down a good bit over the past 24 hours. 

I am keeping tracking of 11 miners (28.37MH/s) and my average is 0.01128998 over 48.5 hours.  Lowest is 0.00988053 and highest is 0.01150178.  I  count it against the average accepted hashrate which almost matches my clientside hashrate over that period of time.

Over 11 of my machines in the past ~32 hours I am averaging 0.01170084 BTC per MH ($7.27 currently).

The worst machine is at 0.01085110 and the best is at 0.01233557.  I am hoping there are some manually traded coins not accounted for as unsent which will bump this up.

Still, thats better than the last 7 day average reported on the site.

Is anyone else getting better numbers?  

I know of no job that pays out daily. 

PoolWaffle, I assume you already know that Cryptsy updated their API on the 19th?

The change is mentioned on BigVern's twitter and http://blog.cryptsy.com/.  He also suggested updating the address to api.cryptsy.com instead of cryptsy.com/api. 

The whale/pool size seems to be driving all of the successful pools in to the higher difficulty coins.  I would add to my comments above about round-robin distribution of workers is that when the network speed on a coin jumps in comparison to its difficulty and our pool speed there is probably a formula you can use to estimate the orphans and the profitability impact and jump us off of that coin early.  That way if the other pools jumps on a coin we know its about to get difficult to find a block.

I saw WP post about us competing with ourselves - US vs EMEA.  That is an interesting one.  

WP: By the way, I had all 38MH/s (15 machines from 450KH/s to 3.2 MH/s spread out over 5 physical locations) setup under on BTC with the worker address.  I switched all of them last night to different BTC addresses so I can track them individually with WAFFLEStats and see where I might be having issues.

I'm tracking their BTC/MH separately now and if you ever need help testing or validating test results let me know.  

If MisterWill is listening - one issue with the recent change is if we switch to resolution of an hour on the hashrate it obscures downtime.  I'd still like to see if a miner is down 20-30 minutes (power loss, other issue).  Would there be a way to drop points on the 1 hour scale when the hashrate = 0?

I have to say, I lol'ed reading that because it is true.  I mined on MiddleCoin for a long time, the hash rate spiked in early January and H20 went nuts making changes to accommodate and eventually the entire pool suffered and became unprofitable.  I split my workers between MiddleCoin and WafflePool and WafflePool won so I switched everything over and was the highest MH/s *38MH/s* until the whale showed up.  Since then it is eerily similar to the pre-collapse of MiddleCoin.

Lets me see if I can summarize:

1) WafflePool had vardiff, mined lower difficulty coins, and was profitable in comparison.

2) The whale (and collapse of MiddleCoin) caused the network and server load to spike.

3) The difficulty was locked to 512 (same as MC which eventually raised it to 1024).

4) Lower difficulty coins have been removed (same as MC).  MC eventually just settled on LTC and DOGE and ended up not being a "mining the profitable coin" pool because the size of the pool couldn't support that model.

5) Aholes from MC thread have come to this thread and will probably eventually drive WP insane and he'll lurk in to the shadows like H20 did.


I've never complained - not about MC or WP but I do think we can learn from history here and see the writing on the wall.  I prefer the openness and effort of WP 100000x more than H20/MC so I'm going to stick it out but I think its clear there has to be a shift in direction.

A large pool is a sledgehammer on small coins and generates a massive number of orphans but much of the profit can be had in the small coins.  I think the opportunity here is in bringing back the small coins because all large pools will eventually come to the conclusion the orphans are too high and lock them out.  If you could round-robin rotate the workers to the small coins in comparison to the coins total MH/s(GH/s) then we could mine them where other pools cannot.  

I don't care if my workers hit the small coin everytime its profitable everytime so long as they get the chance.  I'd rather hit 40% of the opportunity than 0%.

I know the whale brings you a lot of money so I'm not advocating blocking him out but that whale is going to find that DOGE and the larger difficulty coins are all they'll ever end up making profits from because every pool they go to will have the same challenges.  A round-robin worker coin assignment would work for them too though - you could drop in 200-300MH/s of their 6GH/s in to the smaller coins just like the rest of us.

WP: Is something like this doable and if not how do you think you can overcome the challenges of pool size vs coin size (profitability)?