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Where them ZERPIES at??! Where tha XRP Boyz at??? ROLL CALL!
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Degens
on 06/08/2021, 07:29:29 UTC
make your price prediction.
$1.00 by next month?
$5.00 end of year?
$0.01 by next week?

you call the shots. 
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Re: Should I start betting on sports?
by
Degens
on 22/07/2021, 07:32:37 UTC
This is probably not your typical response.

I would say, if you put away money to risk (lose), and if you have a sports betting SYSTEM for a particular sports, AND u have a decent money management betting system/risk mitigation system...then YES you should bet.  It's far more efficient than to get a part time job while you attend college as classes and tests and reports takes most of your time anyway.

But it does take TIME, and a lot of TIME to build a sports betting system from scratch.

For example: I personally have an NHL system I developed using old data for the past 8 years.  Last season was the first test using real cash and it's a success.  But i haven't made a CRAP ton of money yet since it was just in the testing phase.  Next season (starting this oct) will be the REAL test as I will be using "real" cash and laying it on the line.

So as you can see...it takes a season or two to test your system, which takes time that you aint getting back, so this might not be right for you. But if you got a system that you believe in and it proves to be at least DECENT, it's worth to do some system building and plan for the long term.  If a system works well enough...then you can pull in some good, decent cash (hopefully every season), and it'll help you build some cash during college.

So...TLDR:
1) Pick a sport that you at least like to watch and analyze.
2) System Build, analyze, do statistics on excel, over and over and over again. Back test, Back Test, BACK TEST!  At least 6-10 years (seasons) worth of back tests.  I get my data from the NHL website.  You can easily do the same from Google and the sporst leagues main website.
3) When you are ready to "test" you system, do it with play money, say at least $100 to $1000. something that won't ruin you, but will still get your blood and emotions pumping.  This is important because even if you did 20 years worth of back tests...when real money is on the line...it does EFFECT you.  You need to practice to get desensitized with gambling.

Good luck with anything you do!
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Re: Exbet is LIVE >> The Bitcoin Betting Exchange [exbet.io]
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Degens
on 04/05/2021, 09:29:40 UTC
HI there exbet!  What are your plans to bring on other cryptocurrencies to bet with on the platform other than BTC?  Any plans to bring on a stable coin .. USDT DAI etc?   And while i have you when will your affiliate program be launched?

Thanks!


Degens uses DAI and has no KYC and is decentralized. Fees are 0.5% on winning bets.
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Re: [ANN] DEGENS.com - The Blockchain Sports Betting Exchange
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Degens
on 13/03/2021, 07:11:24 UTC
Degens, The Blockchain Sports Betting Exchange, has been listed on CoinMarketCap!
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Re: [ANN] DEGENS.com - The Blockchain Sports Betting Exchange
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Degens
on 24/12/2020, 03:39:00 UTC
NBA BETTING IS BACK! https://degens.com/?sport=Basketball

Degens, the Blockchain Betting Exchange.
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Re: [ANN] DEGENS.com - The Blockchain Sports Betting Exchange
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Degens
on 15/12/2020, 04:53:19 UTC
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Re: FAIRLAY - SPORTS BETTING for experts - highest liquidity, provably best odds
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Degens
on 20/11/2020, 02:22:08 UTC
you should post about degens in the degens thread. there is no need to post about degens in a fairlay thread

Good idea! You all if interested can check out the Degens AMM thread below to continue conversation on non custodial betting exchanges that are built on the blockchain using smart contracts that don't any form of require KYC - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5222499.0
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Re: FAIRLAY - SPORTS BETTING for experts - highest liquidity, provably best odds
by
Degens
on 19/11/2020, 22:20:24 UTC
I guess I do not really think that the learning curve is that big but I still rather play at fairlay because I trust them more?

I know that dex and dapp and so forth type of decentralized gambling needs to be decentralized which is why there is no trust required at all but I do not trust the code of it, that is the problem, normally if the code is perfect without a problem there should be no need for me to trust anyone and can just gamble there, but I feel like there has been too many hacked or scammed or whatever defi projects so I do not think that degens could be perfect neither, and I am trying to be more careful about it. Whereas I know fairlay and I know nitrogen and I know other places like that, so I just gamble there and I feel a lot more at ease with myself gambling here.

Decentralized sports betting exchanges tend to have a lengthy audit of their smart contract which costs $20,000+ - Here is Degens' audit
 https://certificate.quantstamp.com/full/degens

Also note that all source code for Degens is 100% open source and readable by all - https://github.com/degensprotocol

That said, I also agree that Fairlay is very safe due to the fact that they've been in operation for so many years, and them stealing funds would be incredibly shortsighted compared to the long term value of their business.
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MOVED: Degens Blockchain Betting Exchange Announces Airdrop For All Users of Degens!
by
Degens
on 19/11/2020, 13:40:39 UTC
This topic has been moved to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=238.0.

[DEGENS Sports Betting Exchange AIRDROP!]
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Re: [LAUNCHED] ⚽ Bethereum - Blockchain-powered social betting! 🚀
by
Degens
on 19/11/2020, 13:37:13 UTC
why this project death ??

I assume they ran out of money. Check out https://Degens.com for the first no KYC sports betting exchange using DAI with the industry's loweset fees.
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Re: FAIRLAY - SPORTS BETTING for experts - highest liquidity, provably best odds
by
Degens
on 19/11/2020, 09:24:03 UTC
Interesting discussion going on and my take:

1. crypto users are actually Bitcoin users. Agree that more altcoin users are also now betting but you generally find crypto sportsbettors are just using Bitcoin. Not so much because of the tech, but the wider access. Been tempted by smart contract types like ETH and even TRX but the lack of access, wider markets and good odds so far puts me off. Fairlay I like because P2P you can find good odds especially on the longshots.

2. I think the future for crypto users is non-custodial yes, but the future for betting with crypto probably lies in 2nd layer settlements (which even Ethereum is starting to use). Fees for tx is one thing, but I haven't seen smart contract fees lower than $5 since June and if you need 2 smart contracts to place and then claim winnings, it's really not ready yet for betting.

I also think most users are only interested in depositing and playing with Bitcoins. It's nice that other coins are offered, but the real value is with the Bitcoins.

I'd total agree that BTC is the King for now and the foreseeable future. Obviously our platform cannot use BTC as it doesn't support smart contracts which are necessary to run a non custodial sports betting platform.

Though interesting there are BTC coins wrapped on ethereum which could work but I haven't looked into them and they are probably too complex, or not sufficiently decentralized.
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Re: FAIRLAY - SPORTS BETTING for experts - highest liquidity, provably best odds
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Degens
on 19/11/2020, 09:22:07 UTC
Interesting discussion going on and my take:

1. crypto users are actually Bitcoin users. Agree that more altcoin users are also now betting but you generally find crypto sportsbettors are just using Bitcoin. Not so much because of the tech, but the wider access. Been tempted by smart contract types like ETH and even TRX but the lack of access, wider markets and good odds so far puts me off. Fairlay I like because P2P you can find good odds especially on the longshots.

2. I think the future for crypto users is non-custodial yes, but the future for betting with crypto probably lies in 2nd layer settlements (which even Ethereum is starting to use). Fees for tx is one thing, but I haven't seen smart contract fees lower than $5 since June and if you need 2 smart contracts to place and then claim winnings, it's really not ready yet for betting.

Degens is P2P as well and there are no gas costs if you enter your own odds. Gas costs are only for the makers. However there is a gas cost to claim your winnings which currently is around $1 which is crazy as gas costs used to be a few pennies!

Yes, I agree we'll need to way for 2nd layer technologies to flourish before this niche space explodes. With the current solution in place on ethereum, it's not possible to bet in the middle of the game due to gas latency which is unacceptable. This isn't a problem on a centralized site like Fairlay though.
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Re: FAIRLAY - SPORTS BETTING for experts - highest liquidity, provably best odds
by
Degens
on 19/11/2020, 07:56:55 UTC
Yes, we tend to target people that are already familiar with the ethereum ecosystem, and don't target BTC betting people as ethereum has a higher learning curve. Most people just want to bet with what they are familiar with, BTC, and not learn a new process which totally makes sense.

Give it a few years, and I suspect most bettors will be betting on non custodial smart contract platforms based on ethereum or a competing blockchain, none of which will require KYC.

Thank you for the response. I actually think Ethereum was easier for me to learn than Bitcoin (but that is because I tried using a real client wallet and not custodial). With Bitcoin wallets in the beginning, you have to calculate your own mining fees and you had to choose the inputs and all that. When I first used Metamask it was very easy,,, enter password, choose spend, choose fast/medium/slow fee. But I get that what you are talking about because smart contracts are a bit different.

Problem with ETH as you say later is fees. Tx fees are already possibly a few dollars now since March so that is very painful for a sportsbetting person:)

Yes, totally agreed. A lot of the ethereum smart contract based sports betting systems are moving to a L2 ("Level 2") solution which will cut fees by 90%. Expect that early next year.  You can check Poly.market which uses a L2 called Matic which has no fees. Though it's not particularly well suited to sports betting.

Also ETHv2 seeks to solve the issue with fees as well, though I'm not sure on the ETA there.

Keep watching this space though, it moves quickly!

Good luck!
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Re: FAIRLAY - SPORTS BETTING for experts - highest liquidity, provably best odds
by
Degens
on 19/11/2020, 05:14:42 UTC
I think tons of people get fairlay confused, fairlay is not a sportsbook, fairlay is a peer to peer exchange

This is what you get when you have people just going through threads of services they have never even used themselves,,, just posting and smearing and thinking they are doing everybody favors.

@Degens BTC is able to use smart contracts just not as easily I would say as Ethereum,,, I do not know how to myself. But this is also the other problem with non BTC to me,,, gamblers are chiefly BTC betting people:)

Yes, we tend to target people that are already familiar with the ethereum ecosystem, and don't target BTC betting people as ethereum has a higher learning curve. Most people just want to bet with what they are familiar with, BTC, and not learn a new process which totally makes sense.

Give it a few years, and I suspect most bettors will be betting on non custodial smart contract platforms based on ethereum or a competing blockchain, none of which will require KYC.

are you saying BTC people are dumb? what do you mean higher learning curve

No not at all.

Using Degens has a higher learning curve for BTC dudes, as it requires learning what Metamask is/does. It requires using a DEX such as uniswap to convert ETH to DAI. It requires understanding a Betfair-like interface with back/lays bets. It requires understanding the concept of gas, and why it can be high/low at any given point.

Compare this to telling a person to send BTC to nitrogen.eu and place a bet at a familiar sportsbook interface.

So unless the user was already very familiar with the ethereum space, I'd recommend they use nitrogen or fairlay to be honest due to the high learning curve.

i didnt saw that he said dumb . higher learning curve on eth means there is more to learn on eth than on btc which is i think true , he already explain the rest of the reasons . btc was like a plug and play while in eth, theres a need to setup some settings .

setting up a metamask is mostly avilable for eth  . converting eth to dai is like converting your btc to other coins . last is the gas fee for eth , we also have transaction fee on btc . pretty much they are identical to each other except from the metamask and the interface of a gambling site for eth is unusual but if we use those more often we can be faniliar on them too  . most people are just foccusing on btc betting sites

Degens also has a big disadvantage over Fairlay. On Degens, for each taker bet, you need to pay a gas cost which could be pennies or dollars. And you must wait for the tx to complete before the trade is completed. Most of our active users have paid $100+ in gas in their lifetimes.

Also if you win a bet, you must also 'claim' your winnings which has another gas cost associated with it.

Also I believe Fairlay has lower costs than the 0.5% commission that Degens trades on winning bets.

So the only people who may consider leaving Fairlay to join Degens are those that don't want their funds in some guy's custody, don't want to do KYC, or who live in countries that are geographically blocked. For 99% of users, I'd suggest they just stick with Fairlay as they have been around forever with zero reported issues and have the lowest fees on the planet if I'm not mistaken.
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Re: FAIRLAY - SPORTS BETTING for experts - highest liquidity, provably best odds
by
Degens
on 19/11/2020, 04:48:26 UTC
you are beating around the bush

if I place a bet for a zillion dollars and you grade it wrong you keep my money true or false

do you not have access to grade bets on degens?

you make it sound like your funds are completely safe like the whole system is automated and coins are 100% safe without a custodian

degens staff can grade bets any way they want ( I am not saying they do it wrong or steal but the possibility is there)

using apis is what 99% of books do to grade and there are always grading errors via API, most books delay payouts and put holds to overcome this problem

If you place a bet for a zillion dollars and it is graded incorrectly, the counterparty who is not us would receive the funds.

Hence the importance of grading correctly as we have no ability to unwind positions or 'halt' someone's account, since no user even has an account on the Degens.com platform.

And yes, if the multisig $degens traders were to collude and grade incorrectly, this would cause problems the way the system is designed which you've outlined.

To prevent this, in the coming weeks a random sample of anonymous $degens tokens holders will grade each match as well as deposit a large amount of funds into an escrow. This escrow would then be used to pay off the correct participant, and the $degens holders would be monetarily penalized to minimize any incentive to so. 

So naturally, bet limits would have to be put in place to match the size of the escrow. Currently the Trump market is $300K

To conclude, great points you've brought up and we will be sure to speak to them in detail as to how we will remedy them in our upcoming Medium article that is coming soon.

Thanks for the great insight!
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Re: [ANN] DEGENS.com - The Blockchain Sports Betting Exchange
by
Degens
on 19/11/2020, 03:07:42 UTC
If you own $DEGENS, please upvote this to get added to Zapper.fi https://features.zapper.fi/token-requests/p/please-add-degens-balancer-pool
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Re: FAIRLAY - SPORTS BETTING for experts - highest liquidity, provably best odds
by
Degens
on 19/11/2020, 01:32:57 UTC
why do you call degens non custodial? what do you mean by non custodial?

The Degens Betting Exchange uses ethereum smart contracts which enables it to be non custodial.

This means at no point do users deposit money into Degens, as bets are done wallet to wallet. So if malicious management wanted to steal someone's funds, it is not possible. If government agencies wanted to seize someone's funds, it is not possible. If management gets hit by a bus and no longer is alive, the user has full custody of their funds. If the Degens.com website were to go down, the user still has full custody of their funds.

One disadvantage of using a non custodial solution is you cannot use BTC on Degens as it doesn't support smart contracts. So you need to bet in ETH or the stablecoin DAI which is a deal breaker for a lot of BTC guys.

I recall that you had tried out Degens in the past. If so, a big airdrop was given out a couple weeks ago with each coin trading at $2.20 or so. Click Degens Token on the left hand side to see how many you received. You can then sell them on the balancer pool if you'd like to get your free money.

I am confused so if I place a bet on a market and the funds are transferred for the bet and degens gets hit by a bus how would I recover those funds? Also if degens grades a market wrong which we know grading is done by degens and the funds are settled as a loser how is that non custodial?



In the event everyone gets hit by a bus, this is how you'd access your funds - https://degens.medium.com/interacting-with-a-smart-contract-when-its-dapp-is-down-fcfd63d7792f though I need to update that to reflect our change of branding from SportCrypt to Degens.

A bunch of APIs and $DEGENS token holders currently grade in a similar model to REP. We will release a document soon on how you can stake your $degens and get paid to participate in grading where you would be penalized for an incorrect grade.

If you want to sell your $DEGENS tokens that you received in the airdrop, this pool has the most liquidity - https://pools.balancer.exchange/#/pool/0x05c04d16da1a7efd6d6768a3f0e609c09f99710b/shares

Take care!

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Re: FAIRLAY - SPORTS BETTING for experts - highest liquidity, provably best odds
by
Degens
on 19/11/2020, 01:14:57 UTC
I think tons of people get fairlay confused, fairlay is not a sportsbook, fairlay is a peer to peer exchange

This is what you get when you have people just going through threads of services they have never even used themselves,,, just posting and smearing and thinking they are doing everybody favors.

@Degens BTC is able to use smart contracts just not as easily I would say as Ethereum,,, I do not know how to myself. But this is also the other problem with non BTC to me,,, gamblers are chiefly BTC betting people:)

Yes, we tend to target people that are already familiar with the ethereum ecosystem, and don't target BTC betting people as ethereum has a higher learning curve. Most people just want to bet with what they are familiar with, BTC, and not learn a new process which totally makes sense.

Give it a few years, and I suspect most bettors will be betting on non custodial smart contract platforms based on ethereum or a competing blockchain, none of which will require KYC.

are you saying BTC people are dumb? what do you mean higher learning curve

No not at all.

Using Degens has a higher learning curve for BTC dudes, as it requires learning what Metamask is/does. It requires using a DEX such as uniswap to convert ETH to DAI. It requires understanding a Betfair-like interface with back/lays bets. It requires understanding the concept of gas, and why it can be high/low at any given point.

Compare this to telling a person to send BTC to nitrogen.eu and place a bet at a familiar sportsbook interface.

So unless the user was already very familiar with the ethereum space, I'd recommend they use nitrogen or fairlay to be honest due to the high learning curve.
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Re: FAIRLAY - SPORTS BETTING for experts - highest liquidity, provably best odds
by
Degens
on 18/11/2020, 11:46:04 UTC
I think tons of people get fairlay confused, fairlay is not a sportsbook, fairlay is a peer to peer exchange

This is what you get when you have people just going through threads of services they have never even used themselves,,, just posting and smearing and thinking they are doing everybody favors.

@Degens BTC is able to use smart contracts just not as easily I would say as Ethereum,,, I do not know how to myself. But this is also the other problem with non BTC to me,,, gamblers are chiefly BTC betting people:)

Yes, we tend to target people that are already familiar with the ethereum ecosystem, and don't target BTC betting people as ethereum has a higher learning curve. Most people just want to bet with what they are familiar with, BTC, and not learn a new process which totally makes sense.

Give it a few years, and I suspect most bettors will be betting on non custodial smart contract platforms based on ethereum or a competing blockchain, none of which will require KYC.
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Claim your DEGENS aidrop if you have used the Degens.com Betting Exchange
by
Degens
on 18/11/2020, 10:17:22 UTC
Degens.com AMM - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5222499.0

$DEGENS token airdrop info - https://degens.medium.com/degens-token-airdrop-34a6f6d4075b

Degens roadmap - https://degens.medium.com/

Note this airdrop is only for users who have used Degens in the past. There will likely be a similar airdrop for future users in the near future.

$DEGENS is trading around $2.20 and can be bought/sold on balanacer.