Been there and done that. Waiting on the judgment hard copy then sending the bailiffs to Mr Akram. I HAVE a personal judgment against Mohamed Akram and against AT so i intend to summon him to court to explain where the money is if i don't get anything out of him. If he does not turn up he is in contempt of court and a warrant for his arrest will be issued. I intend to post the date and location here if you want to have a chat with him. Expect news in a month or two..... If there is still nothing i will go after the other directors up to 7 years previous but i think they will have a lot of explaining to do to the Official Receiver at the Insolvency Service when it finally goes pop. Also i note they have updated their address on companies house. This is a mistake for him as he has declared they they are a virtual company. So his home is his office and High court Sheriffs are entitled to FORCE ENTRY on premises where the business is being operated from, ANY premises where it is being operated from. it will be a slow but painful year for Mr Akram and family. Sheriffs also seize a lot of assets to cover their costs. Cars, computers, TVs, iPhones.....

Personal judgment on its way against Mohammed and Alpha. Defence was struck out!

So i am planning to ask the court to summon Mohammed and explain the fraud he has perpetrated. If he does not attend they will issue an arrest warrant.(the joy that would bring me...!)

What i wanted to ask you all was, what questions should i ask Mohammed? be creative and polite, as this will be court of law and send them to me on PM as i do not hang out here all the time. Have a few weeks before I can submit this so plenty of time to prepare!

Yes am sending the sheriffs but don't expect any success there with this load of sharks.

Also promise to let you all know when and where his appointment with the court will be if you want to attend!

Referred Alpha to the insolvency service. Money is lost and they are behaving fraudulently or in accordance with sharp practice.

Insolvency can seize everything and even recover money distributed to family, bring criminal fraud charges etc.

email your docs to here Intelligence.Services@insolvency.gsi.gov.uk and make a complaint to become a creditor

Have lodged a serious comprehensive claim against them accusing them of all sorts of things and now awaiting a court date. in the mean time i reported them to the UK Insolvency agency who are looking into it. If they take up the case then they will squash everyone associated with them, the Official Receiver can dissolve the company and go after all the current and former directors up to seven years previous, as i understand it.

If i get a judgment for Civil fraud i am going straight next door to the police station and filing a complaint for criminal fraud too. We are not getting any money out of these guys and the only way to deal with them now is as harshly as possible.I will chase this till the entire family pay up or are ruined as several have been directors. Because they have given a false address to companies house they will be struck off from being directors for a long time and that is fraud in its self. Their family accounts could be seized. Of course the next action is to check if they have filed proper VAT returns with Customs and Excise. They make MI5 look like pussy cats! Virtually unlimited powers of seizure entry and arrest.

Just gets better- gonna have my cake and eat it.

Have a judgment against Mo - personally. AND i get my day in court because he entered directions form only for Alpha-t not himself.


So gotta hold off on the Sherriffs but may bankrupt the F@@@. only need another £1000.

This is absolutely right.

However, i made a claim against Mr Mohamed Akram too.... and i am just requesting judgment as his defence was struck out. Reason i went for him personally is i believe HE defrauded me and i was going to prove it. Don't need to now. Still, have a judgment against him and AT.

@Mo Akram, Bend over buddy. I have two or three 300+lbs cock for you. The sheriffs are coming. And I do hope it is you you that has the infamous ferrari.

Queue- Twisted Sister - Were not going to take it.

I got forum banned for 3 days after i express my concern that this could be Terrorist funding there evil operations.

Seems your letter is right..

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You know, I have, recently, had thoughts not too dissimilar myself. Also, could the hardware be used for something espionage-esq? or is it too far away from that sort of repurposing?

thanks looks like a start!

That sounds like "failure to disclose information" and therefore gaining a pecuniary advantage over their customers who paid. Check out section 3(b) of the Fraud Act 2008.

I need some statistics and quotes from the website forum as i am starting to prepare for a hearing that I expect AT to request.

As AT have deleted all the posts and i am banned,it is difficult to obtain in retrospect.

I remember some one posting a few pages back some stats, can you PM me with them and any others you guys have.

Also need quotes of Fiaz promising July 31st as early in the time line as possble.

Also if people have copies of deleted posts or the forum just before they did their big wipe that would be great, i only have the one after the shareholder offer.

thanks Guys!

the normal method is to quote "in full and final settlement" on any agreed amount in the UK. Then it is over for both parties.

Just because they quote "their terms" does not mean they will hold water with a judge. English Law is the ultimate authority along side EU law. If they think they can defraud by saying they are not liable to anything fraudulent then they will have a surprise

Assets can be stripped form directors if they have profited from crime.  . Cars. Houses. Investments. 

Chambers has this on consumer

consumer noun 1 someone who buys goods and services for personal use or need. 2 someone or something that consumes.

Ok i am immigrating to America and making friends with Forceflow - FOREVER! 

Ok Scooby

they state that HMRC taxes it. HMRC taxes the transactions made with it as it does when you make a transaction on anything.

It is not your duty to register as a business. as a consumer, you only need to submit a tax return in the UK when you change the coin into GBP or trade it for an item that has GBP value. Check with an accountant and quote the hell out of HMRCs brief http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/briefs/vat/brief0914.htm It is not a money printing machine. you still have to do things with it after "mining" to get value.

Customers must abide by UK law, not AT Law.

AT has not delivered after the 10 weeks they said they would. this is a clear bread of contract.

So when did you pay the 70%? then ten weeks from that date is when they should have shipped and they told us all they were not going to meet the deadline.

read these forums again this is nothing new and can be argued out. PM me and i can share with you my full Statement of Claim I am preparing. but it would Help if you have paid in full 10 weeks or more ago. then there are other options to explore.

They think they will wriggle off the hook with us being businesses. I work with Homeless people everyday and this is a side thing. Yes it might make money. I hoped i would be able to trade the coins to break even but it was always something of a personal project and hobby. but they have not delivered.

Check out my post above too.

I am not a lawyer but happy to help if i can. if you are unsure about anything you need to consult a lawyer.

Edit: sorry the photos are hard to read. just realised they assert you have not paid your 70% this will put you in a different situation from me. You need to really focus your argument on the Consumer/Business debate. This is what they are relying on. you may need an accountant to show you are not reliant on this product as your main source of income, i.e. you have a job or another business.

Can someone tell me where in the world a Crypto currency is a recognised currency?

As i understand it HMRC see it as a personal traceable asset.

My experience of Small Claims is the Judge acts as inquisitor of both cases. I got a roasting once and judge found in my favour. went totally against all the signs.

I intend to throw every piece of law i can find at them and see if they stick. Distance Selling Regs, unfair trading regs, etc

Also they cannot cancel the contract because you ask for a refund. It is an unfair term. They have gained a pecuniary advantage.

The bottom line is if you have paid in full more than 10 weeks ago they have breached contract.

Further, a court may find that the contract only commenced from the 8 weeks after final payment as that is the time when they should have started shipping and there for the contract commences then. as they did not it could be viewed that they were negligent/in breach of the statutory duty owed under Section 5(2)(b) of the consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008
      “ it causes or is likely to cause the average consumer to take transactional decisions he would not have taken otherwise”

plus i am concerned they knew problems end of April as the Development updates stopped and then they would be in breach of the Fraud Act

Besides i am not only relying upon the right to cancel on the Distance regs i also am seeking judgment on their ability to be unable to perform the contract and Schedule 2 of the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999 Sections 1(b);(d);(g);(m); and (o).

Check em out, they may offer alternative routes to make a statement of claim. Personally i am kitchen sinking them and see what the judge says.

just a little extra -
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/briefs/vat/brief0914.htm
"1.Income received from Bitcoin mining activities will generally be outside the scope of VAT on the basis that the activity does not constitute an economic activity for VAT purposes because there is an insufficient link between any services provided and any consideration received."

I know it is vague but  with other evidence, some anecdotal, like is owning a camera, is it a business activity if you are a hobbyist and sell a few? Would most likely get you the benefit of the doubt. So selling selling a digital camera to a consumer or a professional would be a good parallel. Even if you would like the produced to pay for itself over a period of time. Does that make you a business? really? one uses it in his everyday work and another in his spare time. that i would imagine applies to the vast majority of AT customers. Therefore consumers.

Remember EVERYTHING is up for debate and a matter of perspective in a court room this will be no exception and most likely the judge will have had little experience of this market so it will be new to them and they will rely upon experience and intuition.
Intuition would not come down favourably on AT side as these products will not make money ever so how can they be a business activity. it is illogical to buy a machine that will not make enough for your to live on. so ok some have bought four or five or more of the big ones. they might have a tougher time arguing this. those who bought one unit should be able to argue the points.

Add it to ATs stance and timeline and most judges who see this sort of thing everyday may not look favourably on them.

Some here are saying this si a write off and we should not be hopping mad about it. Well i have a different view on it.

Personally i intend to call the MD to court to explain in detail where the money has gone. I have a friend who is an insolvency trustee in the UK and i intend to get him to help me with that later stage and if/when At does not refund i think he would be happy to become trustee. he would then tear the company to bits and  if there was any wrong doing can refer the directors to authorities.

That is my motivation now.

it is a fair bit down the road and i will keep you all unto date on how things go but there seems to have been serious wrong doings and if they are shuffling money away, or have done, then they are in trouble.

just got this on from my snail-mail refund demand.

"Track & Trace
Delivery attempted

Item AE081262698GB could not be delivered on 05/08/14 10:21 (and no Safeplace option was specified by the addressee). A"something for you card" will have been delivered, the item will be returned to SOUTH MANCHESTER pending instructions from the addressee. You can arrange a redelivery online, call the SOUTH MANCHESTER office to arrange a re-delivery, or collect the item from SOUTH MANCHESTER by bringing proof of identification and address."

About right they are not even there at their registered address! Quality outfit. Well they have my email copy and theta is a "durable medium" now so the it does not matter either way they have been notified.

https://secure.lloydsbank.com/online_forms/contact_us/ocf.asp

considering complaining to their Bankers. Lloyds Bank.

AT have used their logo on an email to me and Banks in the UK are touchy about the business practices of their customers.

If enough of us complained to them then maybe they would do something about it. Refer to authorities, freeze their account who knows. Do we have anything to loose anymore?