Do you have a source for this? Not questioning what you're saying but would be interested in knowing what happened.

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Long time since I've been here. Had a few drinks tonight and got to thinking.

Does anyone remember the handle of the guy who used to post here many years ago - he was a little crazy but clearly very clever. His health was bad and I had a feeling he lived in Asia. He knew a lot about Monero. Had plans for creating his own currency but they never worked out. Used to argue with ArticMine a lot. His handle was something to do with War/Revolution/Big Brother. I can't remember.

Any ideas? Between him and rpietila it was a wild time.

There is continued strengthening in Monero. Besides crossing the 3-digit mark, XMR coin is swiftly moving toward the positive side. Additionally, the market capitalization, as well as the trading volume, is rapidly growing. Another noteworthy fact is, for any coin to survive in the utmost volatile crypto space, strong fundamentals and a dedicated community is required and that where Monero excels.
Monero is on High fly and is Aimed to Set a New All-Time High for 2019

I think they were pushing out cards with smart chips.

I'm not gonna expand on this other than to say, guys... LOOK: for ME at least Fluffy ain't the same FLUFFY he was at the beginning.  "Something" changed.  Not least being his extreme pro-Core alignment stance (and YES this is WHY I ain't gonna "get into this" because I don't want it to trigger yet another god damn divisive shitstorm of BTCvsBCHvsEveryDamnOtherThing in cryptoverse that this shit ALWAYS triggers...)

I just think SOMETHING is GOING ON that we cannot SEE.

And it's because MONERO REALLY IS A THREAT.  Isn't it?

OR am I just delusional imagining shit that ain't really there?  Crypto GHOSTS haunting me???

LOL  

P.S. Maybe to put it another way: the FACT that there has NOT been any clear apparent ATTACK against MONERO yet so far as we can SEE... to me, must MEAN there is some ATTACK happening that we CANNOT SEE!  The alternative concept that there simply has been "no attack" YET seems to me... impossible.

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So seems to me maybe 'drama' ramped up kinda when right after Fluffy sort of went off the rails...?  Coincidence?
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This post actually makes me a bit angry. What's "ridiculous" is the fact that you think the delegates should pay you anything.

Originally, the delegate system was not supposed to have pools. Instead, voters should vote for delegates who were actively helping the development of the project, such as devs, public speakers, ambassadors and so on. This would further the adoption and therefore ultimately rise the value of the whole system, including the holdings of the voters.

This system was perverted by two things:

The first thing is that a lot of the delegates have so much voting power on their own that they don't need you or anyone to stay active. Why should they share their revenue with you then? I agree that this is a problem, but it is inherent to the system. You could change the system to a split vote system like Ark has, I would be all for it, but that is a bandaid at best.

The second thing is the emergence of pools.
Before pools, potential delegates made long statements about what they were doing to do with the money they earned, funding development, giving out grants, attending conferences as ambassadors and so on. This was completely beat down by the pools, which simply stated "we will share 80% with you" and that was it. Who cares about future development when they can make hard cash now, right?

And this is the current climate DPoS systems exist in. This is not exclusive to Shift, mind you.

It is interesting that after all this years there seems to be so little interest for Monero in China. There is huge interest in Bitcoin but way less for Monero and we would sort of expect there will be because of China political and economic system.

  At least 1 XMR + you need to have a castle and a boat to be considered a monero whale.

The biggest concern for Monero is the potential damage of privacy via an on chain fork that requires private key use to claim an airdrop. Private key reuse is a new-ish attack vector on the network.

My guess is that they could care less whether or not its a scam.
However, claims regarding a scam revolve around the unknown team, closed source software, 10x airdrop, >5% premine, questionable claims on finite supply, coin serves a duplicate or unknown purpose and despite being made aware how their on chain fork damages the privacy of both networks they're moving forward.

It will be interesting to see who or if any exchange supports them.

Agreed. As anyone who has ever had admin access in CK can attest to, it was very disheartening to see that there was no "gamemaster" console or anything like that For example, probably the most developed module was the "health game," and all that was was a single admin page where the values were changed manually on a per item basis. Even for something like that, some degree of automation should be possible.  


On the Google Doc spreadsheets, across both E1 and B1 she has about $400k in depo payments. I was in CK 2016 onward and read most of the thread posts before then before buying into the game and never saw mention of her.

Risto may have mentioned that she gave him money to "invest" in the game (recall, also, that he pretty much said this about everyone "new" around the 2017 days). Again, if Risto was the proxy for all these people, they need to take up any issues with him.

Anyway, just using her as an example of someone who was not in CK that long (if at all) and would be a net outflow of funds that would do nothing to help grow the game. I am sure we could all agree that there are many others users who contributed more to CK that didn't get anything out of the depos at all and are not on those lists.


Risto-related accounts are around 50% of in-game currency (just going to call this M from now on to save typing). Again, we will not be recognizing the depo-related items. That is only for about 20-25 unique people, and there are far more that lost big in XMR and/or opportunity costs terms who are not on that list. Many of those same users are (or were at one time) major holders of M and game items. If they sold for pennies on the dollar post Risto exit, that was their choice.


On the new Agora, negative balances won't be allowed; at least as has been done in the past with CK (as mainly, it was a way for hackers to abuse the system).

However, yes an "inactivity tax" may be imposed (partly to see which accounts are inactive). Currently, we are considering a "Player House" and "Investment House" breakdown.  An Investment House would not have health, NPCs, and if it had property, it may only be able to engage in one pool (say rents) versus some of the higher activity ones (shops, lab, office, etc.).



We are talking solely about in-game currency M. M will not have quasi-stock properties (like dividends). There may be things like voting power/delegation and the like, but we will leave these open for now based on pending game design considerations.


There is a balance for this. As Gaben and I outlined above, many players beyond Risto accounts will probably be inactive (at say 10%-20% of total M supply cap). That is reasonable. But adding Risto's 50% of the game makes the distribution look terrible.

I know you are on the E1 and B1 depo sheets, but you and everyone else will be far better served by the game just progressing/developing than worrying about those amounts (which were made when Risto was in a poor mental state, so would a reasonable person looking on this scenario in hindsight even allow full recovery of those amounts anyway?).

Also, this very topic (Risto depos) made it where pretty much nothing happened during all of 2017 after Risto left. The current team now has the domain, source code, and complete database of the game. Some lines have to be drawn in the sand to move forward, and the removal of all this depo stuff is one of them.


Everyone - please offer thoughts on game design in particular. Syksy has done a great job starting the discussion.