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Re: [205+PH] KanoPool kano.is 0.9% fee 6.5 BTC giveaway 🐈 US,UK,JP,NYA,DE,SG
⭐ Merited by DarkStar_ (2)
I think it best if kanosan say nothing about where/how he found this bug. Why help those who are obviously playing politics? I hate politics! 
Honorable ones demonstrate with facts their assertions.
Despicable ones use every trick to extract benefit of other's work
Open source is a toy that attracts both the honorable ppl and the despicable ones. Honorable people use it to share knowledge. Despicable ones use it to steal and hide that knowledge.
Re: [205+PH] KanoPool kano.is 0.9% fee 7 BTC giveaway 🐈 US,UK,JP,NYA,DE,SG
I appreciate your advises.
About hunting in the prey's den I need to say that and the end everyone needs to follow the law. I think to insult people, tagging them as stupids and other issues that I have been pointing out goes into categories of: defamation, libel, slander, aspersion... If you add the moderation issue, I mean, not letting the affected people to defend themselves, then we have here a very dangerous cocktail. Still... thank you for your advise.
You are welcome. However, the "law" here is policed by moderators, and is very different than any one country's mandated laws.About hunting in the prey's den I need to say that and the end everyone needs to follow the law. I think to insult people, tagging them as stupids and other issues that I have been pointing out goes into categories of: defamation, libel, slander, aspersion... If you add the moderation issue, I mean, not letting the affected people to defend themselves, then we have here a very dangerous cocktail. Still... thank you for your advise.
There are many comments in "that other pool" about Kano, that could be deemed derogatory, but you are not there standing in
defense for the "law". Why??? There are literally threads slandering Kano, but the Moderators don't delete them. Why??? Have
You reported those threads because they are defamation of Kano's character??? Probably not. Why???
defense for the "law". Why??? There are literally threads slandering Kano, but the Moderators don't delete them. Why??? Have
You reported those threads because they are defamation of Kano's character??? Probably not. Why???
I don't think I have the obligation of reading the whole forum or to point out every breaking of the law just because I want to know why the owner of this pool is publishing things like: stupid person or scammer company or joke of a service. I was just passing by made some questions, then I got moderation warning and finally I got moderated...
Anyway... Giving you that the other pool have slander kanopool in the past (even I haven't checked/verified). Have Halong insulted Kano saying he is an scammer? Do the miners in that other pool also insulted Kano saying that he is stupid?
Re: [205+PH] KanoPool kano.is 0.9% fee 7 BTC giveaway 🐈 US,UK,JP,NYA,DE,SG
Probably because there is no legitimate slander issue. You really need to take some time, and read back through some
threads in this forum. There is a lot of history, I believe, you are not aware of. Also, you don't realize, Kano, has been very
vocal in other threads, many times, and the Moderators delete the posts trying to silence certain subjects. Who's the
Moderators???
Do some research before going on a hunt, especially before hunting in the prey's den.
I appreciate your advises.
About hunting in the prey's den I need to say that and the end everyone needs to follow the law. I think to insult people, tagging them as stupids and other issues that I have been pointing out goes into categories of: defamation, libel, slander, aspersion... If you add the moderation issue, I mean, not letting the affected people to defend themselves, then we have here a very dangerous cocktail. Still... thank you for your advise.
Re: [205+PH] KanoPool kano.is 0.9% fee 7 BTC giveaway 🐈 US,UK,JP,NYA,DE,SG
End of intermission.....
Actually, I just re-sent this post that was removed couple of hours ago. I wonder why...
Re: [205+PH] KanoPool kano.is 0.9% fee 7 BTC giveaway 🐈 US,UK,JP,NYA,DE,SG
Lulz about "freedon of speech" - that statement usually shows up when someone is trolling or failing to provide valid information or ignoring what's been posted.
Read the black text in the white header in the top of every page
Read the black text in the white header in the top of every page
I am fine with moderation, I don't think a forum or thread needs to guarantee the freedom of speech . BUT... if you insult other people, pools or companies, then you should do it in a neutral space, not where you are the moderator, among other things: because those that you insult have right to defense... If you take that right away from them, then you might have legal problems.
Re: [205+PH] KanoPool kano.is 0.9% fee 7 BTC giveaway 🐈 US,UK,JP,NYA,DE,SG
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Basically, I'm wasting my time with this.
Provide valid information or I'll simply delete your posts.
Your line of posts so far have been trying to trash me and this pool and failing.
3 posts is enough.
Basically, I'm wasting my time with this.
Provide valid information or I'll simply delete your posts.
Your line of posts so far have been trying to trash me and this pool and failing.
3 posts is enough.
You say that you will delete my posts...
You insult other pool miners, saying they are stupid in a thread that you own
You say that Halong are Scammers... in a thread that you own
You say that ckpool's code if fucked... in a thread that you own
In this thread that you own you rule and delete whatever you like. You have demonstrated several times that here, in this thread, there is no freedom of speech. How the hell you can use this thread to insult people and companies?
YOU should be deleted and banned!!!
Re: [205+PH] KanoPool kano.is 0.9% fee 7 BTC giveaway 🐈 US,UK,JP,NYA,DE,SG
Heh - why not continue your misunderstanding and point out that the luck on that pool so far since it started is ... about 84% ... ouch
Pool size is also a factor in that - and unfortunately for all very small pools - if their size is too small, and they're not finding multiple blocks per difficulty change, that's bad for their miners.
Another thing 'that' pool hides is the fact that almost everyone mining there so far has lost big time due to difficulty rises.
When blocks cross multiple difficulty boundaries you lose half the total difficulty rise % if the pool luck is 100% ...
I think that pool size was the culprit of that 84%, right? but now for some reason the hashrate in that pool has raised... and luck is expected to reach a normal 100% luck. Is this right?
I wonder if is this why you are saying these kind of things:
I gotta wonder why they are helping Halong scam their customers ...
or
...His pool code is fucked so I even have to fix that to enable it 
I'd actually prefer not to, but it seems a lot of people bought the T1s...
so I even have to fix that to enable it I'd actually prefer not to, but it seems a lot of people bought the T1s...
It looks to me weird...
Re: [205+PH] KanoPool kano.is 0.9% fee 7 BTC giveaway 🐈 US,UK,JP,NYA,DE,SG
Their payout scheme design allows small miners to take BTC from large miners if the small miners are lucky.
It's a gamblers payout scheme.
So basically no one with a lot of hash rate but an idiot would mine there.
Bitcoin is business and livelihood for most miners now, gambling on that is pure stupidity.
Correct me if I am wrong, but: isn't mining very similar to gambling? Your pool stats are strongly affected by the concept LUCK... I think LUCK is the strongest factor affecting the payout (Remember those hard to crack UNLUCKY blocks and all they your miners dancing and eating chicken... BTW, is that stupid?). If you agree that mining is very similar to gambling then, Why you say that gambling is stupid and yourself is a miner who runs a mining pool forked from the repository of that guy who runs that other pool which you say it is a joke and where only idiot gamblers would mine?
I'm just very much amazed that you can tag people as stupid just because they mine in THAT pool with NO FEE which is reaching now 150+ PH.
I'd wish Minergain.com could add to his web service "that" pool to check if the people mining there are stupids as you claim.
Re: [205+PH] KanoPool kano.is 0.9% fee 7 BTC giveaway 🐈 US,UK,JP,NYA,DE,SG
No one with any sizeable hash rate is leaving here and going to that pool that was designed to be a joke.
Some miners are so stupid they don't even realise it
Seriously I don't really care about enabling asicboost on this pool other than a few people have asked me too.
His pool code is fucked so I even have to fix that to enable it
I'd actually prefer not to, but it seems a lot of people bought the T1s (myrig also sent me 2) so for the sake of miners on the pool I'm working on it.
Some miners are so stupid they don't even realise it
Seriously I don't really care about enabling asicboost on this pool other than a few people have asked me too.
His pool code is fucked
so I even have to fix that to enable it I'd actually prefer not to, but it seems a lot of people bought the T1s (myrig also sent me 2) so for the sake of miners on the pool I'm working on it.
Do you have arguments for so strong statements? If so and you don't mind, please elaborate more.
and... about this:
Some miners are so stupid they don't even realise it
Define "Some". Is stupid every miner mining in "that" pool or every miner not mining in this pool is stupid?
Re: [205+PH] KanoPool kano.is 0.9% fee 7 BTC giveaway 🐈 US,UK,JP,NYA,DE,SG
I gotta wonder why they are helping Halong scam their customers ...
OMG! SCAM! I can't believe you said that!!! 
Is that pool you are talking about the one which is cheaper than yours? I mean, that one (with no name) which is catching your petahashes because of those scammers? Muhahaha
There ya happy? I specifically avoided getting into this discussion because whats going to happen is that as soon at Kano finds that next block, if we match up the numbers *right* at that point, using slush month (it doesn't matter), KANO is still going to come out on top. And if we stay at 100% it wins HUGE.
well, you start admiting that slush was more profitable than kano in that period, which is the reality... so, I get more in tune with you, yes! happy? No!
You calculated your CDT (for that period at Kano) as 0..0000930... Slush is (as for Minergain.com) 0.00009807, so it gets pretty easy without those extrapolations you did at the start.
Still, It is very shocking for me the 0.0000930 CDT that you got for January/February at Slush... I wonder if it is real, I mined less time than you at kano during January/February but I got significantly lower CDT... more as the figure drawn by mkptr
akadamson just cheated a few.
He extrapolated the results of mining short period (couple of hours) at latest difficulty at slush to a longer period (1 month, at more more little difficulties). This obviously created an error: luck of profit in slush.
Later on he calculates the real profit obtained mining at Kano and compares with the "extrapolated" profit in slush.... and the conclusion is:
Almost the same!! isn't it marvellous?
The worse thing here is that legendary one applaud this and even give merit...
I hope no new miners will come and trust this non sense without verifying the data!!! we are talking about loosing money!!!
I'd really like to know how I *cheated*. Let's work the numbers *another way*... Let's take the Minergain.com CDT from slush on their weekly numbers, that should remove the diff topic that you referenced (which is wrong BTW, but I'll leave that alone).
Slush's CDT is 0.00008985
my calculated CDT for slush against my numbers was .00008703
Hmm... that's pretty dang close wouldn't you say? Enough that is would have changed the numbers *slighly* but not that much.
So let's look at it again. @ 30Th/s
that would be .0026955 BTC a day
over 35 days, that would have been .094325 BTC
Darn it, Kano still won.... hmmm
I think you cheat, yes!
Did you do it again? why you use Week CDT instead of Month CDT for slush? Week CDT has latest difficulty... uhmmm
Code:
Name Payout Hash Rate Network % Users Block (d:h:m) Week CDT Month CDT Quarter CDT Year CDT Web
KanoPool PPLNS 49.16PH/s 0.19% of 25.27EH/s 1,439 509209 (7:17:11) 0.00000000 0.00002591 0.00014308 0.00035475 kano.is
SlushPool Hybrid PPS 2.39EH/s 9.47% of 25.27EH/s 18,452 510427 (02:04) 0.00008985 0.00009807 0.00015120 0.00033502 slushpool.com
KanoPool PPLNS 49.16PH/s 0.19% of 25.27EH/s 1,439 509209 (7:17:11) 0.00000000 0.00002591 0.00014308 0.00035475 kano.is
SlushPool Hybrid PPS 2.39EH/s 9.47% of 25.27EH/s 18,452 510427 (02:04) 0.00008985 0.00009807 0.00015120 0.00033502 slushpool.com
month CDT slush vs kano -> 0.00009807 vs 0.00002591
Not eighter a real photo of what has happent in January/February, but, at my oppinion closer than your maths...
I keep seeing all this about pool x, pool y, pool z vs here or maybe I should just say PPS vs here.
So after 35 days I figured it was time for a few real numbers.
I started here on the 18 (night) of January, with what was 15Th as the time, but that quickly doubled to 30 a day or 2 later and has been pretty flat since (just added 22 more, but I'll ignore that at the moment)
The other day when I brought up my 821's, I put them on slush for 2 hrs, just because I wanted to see what the daily CDT was there at my full hashrate. Then I moved them back to here.
So here is the basis to my numbers.
30Th/s for 35 days
Actual numbers from Kano based upon the above.
Let's start with my Kano experience.
I received .0976473 BTC in 35 days
this equals .0027899 per day
or .0000930 CDT
for the same amount of hash at slush, we'll work backwards
.00008703 CDT
.0026109 per day
or .0913815 BTC
You can say what you want and this is just a snapshot of 35 days, but even with the really ugly luck we've had, I've still made more here than the equivalent time at slush (who btw is averaging slightly *better* than 100% luck).
The upside that isn't in the above, if we find a block today, my numbers would go up again to a much larger amount of BTC than slush (e.g. .0045 (would be .007, but I'll factor out the .0027899 CDT) BTC to .002), if we improve on luck, we shatter the slush numbers. If I left today and went somewhere else, I'd still be paid for 5Nd ramp down along with where-ever else I go's take.
I just can't see any downside. Ok, except the fact that you don't have a little graphical ticker that is counting up based upon predicted BTC.... Oh but wait, it simply matches the number above, so what real benefit is it?
EDIT1: with 30Th/s this should work for anyone curious with a 14-15Th/s S9 or anything else because I took all the numbers down to CDT (Coin per Day per TeraHash/s)
So after 35 days I figured it was time for a few real numbers.
I started here on the 18 (night) of January, with what was 15Th as the time, but that quickly doubled to 30 a day or 2 later and has been pretty flat since (just added 22 more, but I'll ignore that at the moment)
The other day when I brought up my 821's, I put them on slush for 2 hrs, just because I wanted to see what the daily CDT was there at my full hashrate. Then I moved them back to here.
So here is the basis to my numbers.
30Th/s for 35 days
Actual numbers from Kano based upon the above.
Let's start with my Kano experience.
I received .0976473 BTC in 35 days
this equals .0027899 per day
or .0000930 CDT
for the same amount of hash at slush, we'll work backwards
.00008703 CDT
.0026109 per day
or .0913815 BTC
You can say what you want and this is just a snapshot of 35 days, but even with the really ugly luck we've had, I've still made more here than the equivalent time at slush (who btw is averaging slightly *better* than 100% luck).
The upside that isn't in the above, if we find a block today, my numbers would go up again to a much larger amount of BTC than slush (e.g. .0045 (would be .007, but I'll factor out the .0027899 CDT) BTC to .002), if we improve on luck, we shatter the slush numbers. If I left today and went somewhere else, I'd still be paid for 5Nd ramp down along with where-ever else I go's take.
I just can't see any downside. Ok, except the fact that you don't have a little graphical ticker that is counting up based upon predicted BTC.... Oh but wait, it simply matches the number above, so what real benefit is it?
EDIT1: with 30Th/s this should work for anyone curious with a 14-15Th/s S9 or anything else because I took all the numbers down to CDT (Coin per Day per TeraHash/s)
Started mining with 11Th/s at kano in 13/Jan 01:54.
When i fully ramped up after a really bad luck i got 0.00294833BTC.(9/Feb 20:11)
Between January 13 and February 19(37days) i made 0.01504784 BTC in total( + what the pools finds in the next ~13days).
One S9 on slush made (between the same time) 0.05241363 BTC.
Kano(~11th/s) vs. Slush(~13.7th/s)
0.01504784 vs. 0.05241363
Slush: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UCQ0pmTAjNYnTWyLShSFMWQ0u3_K68OlgvVsstsUPMg/edit#gid=1557054697
Kano: https://i.imgur.com/2gTRFof.png
After 3days at slush i made: 0.00348309BTC
Not sure how u get higher on kano.
akadamson just cheated a few.
He extrapolated the results of mining short period (couple of hours) at latest difficulty at slush to a longer period (1 month, at more more little difficulties). This obviously created an error: luck of profit in slush.
Later on he calculates the real profit obtained mining at Kano and compares with the "extrapolated" profit in slush.... and the conclusion is:
Almost the same!! isn't it marvellous?
The worse thing here is that legendary one applaud this and even give merit...
I hope no new miners will come and trust this non sense without verifying the data!!! we are talking about loosing money!!!
The problem is the payout system...PPLNS is far too risky for any serious pro-miner...regardless of size.
There is a very good reason why BTC is by far the largest pool in the world...
One must acknowledge that their PPS payment plays a significant role in that success.
PPLNS has become ridiculously unfair. ramp up heavily favours large miners and severely punishes small ones.
It will continue to become even more unfair and riskier as the diff rises.
PPLNS is also VERY punitive to miners who cannot risk allocating there hash rate full time and mine intermittently to help reduce Variance.
I tried to support this pool many times for many months only to incur a HUGE loss in revenue.
I suggest considering changing the pools payout system to a proportional payout system.
In 5 years there will only be ONE pool..if bigger was not better there would not be any pools.
There is a very good reason why BTC is by far the largest pool in the world...
One must acknowledge that their PPS payment plays a significant role in that success.
PPLNS has become ridiculously unfair. ramp up heavily favours large miners and severely punishes small ones.
It will continue to become even more unfair and riskier as the diff rises.
PPLNS is also VERY punitive to miners who cannot risk allocating there hash rate full time and mine intermittently to help reduce Variance.
I tried to support this pool many times for many months only to incur a HUGE loss in revenue.
I suggest considering changing the pools payout system to a proportional payout system.
In 5 years there will only be ONE pool..if bigger was not better there would not be any pools.
Not mining here anymore and almost at the end of my ramping down in my mining adventure in this pool (with very negative economical balance, BTW). But I think and I share my thinking:
Wouldn't be wonderful that the pool would let you choose the reward system? At least PPS or PPLNS (maybe other exotic ones also just for fun). Sure some will feel more confortable choosing their own paying method according with the commitment to the pool or their mining strategy.
This would help me, when the Hashrate issue with the pool has been resolved, to consider to start mining here again for a while... and maybe, who knows , is not just me the only one thinking like this... Just speculating, I am very speculative guy...
Re: [50+PH] KanoPool kano.is BEST 0.9% fee PPLNS US,DE,JP,NL,NYA 🐈
Here is what really interests me. Where are these people leaving to mine at? Obviously, they know so much about statistics and luck... Where are they going?
more important than where is why
Re: [50+PH] KanoPool kano.is BEST 0.9% fee PPLNS US,DE,JP,NL,NYA
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What they are leaving out is how small the pool got in the last few months.. which really screws up balance. One day of a big pool = 2 or 3 months here. That wasn't the case until recently... So one bad day at a big pool means come back in 3 to 4 days to see if it evens out.. but here, you have to come back about 9 months from now just to see if the 'luck works out' for a similar dataset
If you don't think that means anything, then I guess you think every 38 spins of a roulette wheel will always pick all the numbers once. That is the mentality here that 'luck evens out' even with a tiny pool.
yup....
Since I'm new to Kano, I wanted to find out what the average bitcoin payout has been over the last month or so. I'm trying out Kano based on all the reviews, however I'm used to somewhat instantaneous results with other pools showing their payout rates and paying out every few days. I understand the premise of Kano being smaller but with bigger rewards per miner, but I'm curious what the historical payout rate has been.
Sounds like your used to PPS, Pay Per Share, Pools. This pool is PPLNS, that is a major difference so you'll need to study on that.
PPS has a flat rate regardless of luck. PPLNS is luck based. So if the pool has really good luck you can get paid allot more, the flip side, of course, if luck is bad then you can get paid less. Over long periods of time you'll be allot better off here. PPS pools have a habit of going broke due to bad luck and leaving people unpaid when that happens. That won't happen here.
Do you actually mine in KanoPool? You seem to spend enough time in here reading and talking down on it, I'm wondering what your intentions are by poking your head in to only deter people from mining here.
He seems to be rather confused based upon this signature as well... oh well, to each their own.
Let's hit him and crucify him!!! He doesn't mine here and dare to tell some truth that seem to be not so nice for us... let's stop him!!!
me not mining! but ramping down!! :-P
still in the club!
Re: [BLOCK PARTY] ckpool.org ZERO FEE SPLNS no registration mining pool
Hello! I just joined your pool with my lonely but hardworking S9 miner, I understand that it's stupid to ask how much I will receive, but what is the probability of finding a block by my miner, with an average speed of 12.8-13.3 Th/s?
Your Hash rate = 13 TH/s100% probability to win a block in 35,55 years
I would love to see this exercise on 7 PH/s
Pool Hash rate = 7000 TH/s
128% probability to win a block in 1 month
Maybe better to say
Your Hash rate = 13 TH/s -> If you have neutral luck you will mine 1 block in 35,55 years
Pool Hash rate = 7000 TH/s -> Having neutral luck 1 block will be mined in 24 days (or 1.28 blocks in 1 month, even it is imposible to mine 0,28 blocks)
Definetively, 128% luck doesn't make any sense
Re: [BLOCK PARTY] ckpool.org ZERO FEE SPLNS no registration mining pool
Hello! I just joined your pool with my lonely but hardworking S9 miner, I understand that it's stupid to ask how much I will receive, but what is the probability of finding a block by my miner, with an average speed of 12.8-13.3 Th/s?
Pool Hash rate = 24293141.32 TH/s (02/07/2018)
Your Hash rate = 13 TH/s
Block Write to blockchain speed = 1 every 10 mins.
* Units like yours trying to win a blok = 24293141.32 / 13 = 1868703
* 1 / 1868703 * 100 = 0,000053513 % to win a block in 10 minutes
* 1868703 * 10 mins * 1h /60 mins * 1 day / 24 h = 13000 days = 35,55 years to win a block
0,000053513% probability to win a block in 10 minutes
0,00032% probability to win a block in 1 hour
0,0077% probability to win a block in 1 day
2,8% probability to win a block in 1 year
100% probability to win a block in 35,55 years
I would love to see this exercise on 7 PH/s
BlockChain Hash rate = 24293141.32 TH/s (02/07/2018)
Pool Hash rate = 7000 TH/s
Block Write to blockchain speed = 1 every 10 mins.
* Units like yours trying to win a blok = 24293141.32 / 7000 = 3470,448
* 1 / 3470,448 * 100 = 0,028814 % to win a block in 10 minutes
* 3470,448 * 10 mins * 1h /60 mins * 1 day / 24 h = 24 days -> 100% probability to win a block in 24 days !
Probabilities for this pool as for today
0,028814% probability to win a block in 10 minutes
0,17% probability to win a block in 1 hour
4,14% probability to win a block in 1 day
29% probability to win a block in 1 week
128% probability to win a block in 1 month
Re: [BLOCK PARTY] ckpool.org ZERO FEE SPLNS no registration mining pool
Hello! I just joined your pool with my lonely but hardworking S9 miner, I understand that it's stupid to ask how much I will receive, but what is the probability of finding a block by my miner, with an average speed of 12.8-13.3 Th/s?
Pool Hash rate = 24293141.32 TH/s (02/07/2018)
Your Hash rate = 13 TH/s
Block Write to blockchain speed = 1 every 10 mins.
* Units like yours trying to win a blok = 24293141.32 / 13 = 1868703
* 1 / 1868703 * 100 = 0,000053513 % to win a block in 10 minutes
* 1868703 * 10 mins * 1h /60 mins * 1 day / 24 h = 13000 days = 35,55 years to win a block
0,000053513% probability to win a block in 10 minutes
0,00032% probability to win a block in 1 hour
0,0077% probability to win a block in 1 day
2,8% probability to win a block in 1 year
100% probability to win a block in 35,55 years
Re: [55+PH] KanoPool kano.is BEST 0.9% fee PPLNS US,DE,JP,NL,NYA 🐈
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You keep harping on future speculation and you want to change the Kano website to show speculation data. The charts and data tables on the Kano web site is about displaying actual historical data; not speculation into the future about things that have not happened. There's a huge difference. Like I said, you can use any of the many calculators out there to do all the speculations and all the what-if scenarios you want.
You keep harping on future speculation and you want to change the Kano website to show speculation data. The charts and data tables on the Kano web site is about displaying actual historical data; not speculation into the future about things that have not happened. There's a huge difference. Like I said, you can use any of the many calculators out there to do all the speculations and all the what-if scenarios you want.
You are wrong. I am not speculating. I am predicting!
But well... The person I would like to read my comment and to reply with his opinion is Kano
Carl is saying what I have said before, so yes what he said is correct = my opinion.
Meanwhile
http://tradebtc.net/bitcalc.php
Unbelievable... Ok... I didn't expect any idea of mine to be accepted, but humiliation is not a nice answer. I know where the exit door is, don't bother...