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Re: [ANN][OC] Orangecoin v2.0.4 ✦ PoS ✦ Anon ✦ Masternode Whitepaper ✦ Get Juiced!
Hosting for our only block explorer runs out tomorrow, please contribute what you can or let's develop our own explorer.
Could be wrong but I believe trex requires a block explorer to remain listed (edit: or to keep the market unfrozen).
Could be wrong but I believe trex requires a block explorer to remain listed (edit: or to keep the market unfrozen).
Re: [ANN][OC] Orangecoin v2.0.4 ✦ PoS ✦ Anon ✦ Masternode Whitepaper ✦ Get Juiced!
Have a Happy Holiday Guys!
Happy 4th of July!
Cheers!
-Raven
Happy 4th of July!
Cheers!
-Raven
You too. See Clinton was cleared of her scandal? American Dream Lesson #1: Hold an office, gain amnesty from crime.
Re: [ANN][OC] Orangecoin v2.0.3 ✦ PoS ✦ Anon ✦ Masternode Whitepaper ✦ Get Juiced!
--SNIP previous quotes---
firstly - that is NOT what was pm'ed me not so long ago - and NOT what has happened ... or is it easier to quote the pms? ...
secondly - there is NEVER a time that soopy and i cannot work with each other ... i have a LOT of respect for soopy as a person and a LOT of respect for him as a dev ... as for his reliability? ... well ...
there is MUCH more to this than is publicly shown - and soopy KNOWS the extent to which he and i have dealt - and have continued to deal ... i pull NO punches - never have and never will ... i say things as i see them and will NEVER change that ... had there been an equitable system put in place - there would be no one pushing and shoving and praising ... but as there is no system in place - your suggestion of my forking the source and working on it - is a blatant misrepresentation of what WE ( raven and i ) had discussed earlier with your apparent knowledge halofire ... especially with regards to my involvement ... the time and effort and money involved in doing this RIGHT - is more than i or my team was willing to do without some form of compensation and / or affiliation or complete takeover ... THAT was the bottom line ... and what was teh response raven gave me in return to it? ... read back on the pms and refresh your memory mate - or ask for a copy from raven ...
which ever way this works now - it is entirely up to you all HOW you deal with this ... its no skin off my nose ... i just dont like the miscommunication AND the false representations of myself and my team - and the things that were and were NOT said ...
if soopy WANTS to work with me on this - he can ... but the garbage about him being 'just' a consultant and he could return anytime he felt and the rest of the blurb - was NEVER brought to my attention here in the thread NOR in private ...
im astounded at what has transpired ... and STILL you continue on about it all being an open discussion and praising soopy about his coming 'back' ... seriously mate! ...
i deal - and work - and make clean and DO the things i say im going to do ... so far - its simply talk - and nothing but ... so let it be just that ... and there will be no hard feelings anywhere ... but when the cookie crumbles and all is stagnant once again - just remeber this situation and what you have said and NOT said ...
im still open for discussion - but not at this level ...
@soopy - stick to what you say and what you promise mate ... too many people of the communities you deal with RELY on your word - and your word as a gentleman ...
you KNOW how i work soopy - raven and halo dont ... and ill continue to work the same as i have - and we have grown much bigger than when you first dealt with me ... deal clean - deal well ...
and much respect - to you and all that deserve it ...
#crysx
I didn't say that you can't work together, I said IF. I said that because I was getting the feeling from what you typed you won't work on OC with him because of your previous endeavors. And you aren't working with him presently in OC. You said "there is no 'granite is next' soopy ... it has never been nor ever will be 'next' ..." which means he's not working with you or vice versa, due to whatever reason. I was trying to present OC options; an A, B, and C. 'A' being you two work together, 'B' you fork it yourself, 'C' which is the current state of a lone soopy doing his thing if you werent' coming on board.
It would be easier for you to quote PM's, because I don't think we are on the same page. Things may have changed since he came on board, nothing was made known to me.
If soopy were our full time dev, it would say Lead Dev or something to that effect. He's the one who made the current title for himself, way back when. If you didn't read the title he has on the OP that's been there since the OP was made, and didn't question it why it was like that (after he told you otherwise?), well, I don't have an answer for why you didn't come forth with that until now.
Praising soopy about him returning? I don't see any "praise" of his return from me. A 2 word "greeting"? Welcome back? My spectacular comment was about him fixing the link. I don't see where you are coming from on this.
Blatant misrepresentation of your involvement with my knowledge on the subject?? I don't know what your involvement would be. This is the only correspondence I've received from April 15, 2016 from raven about you, it's only his half of a PM convo between you two. Nothing else had been sent to me, nor spoken about.
Wow,
that's a lot of information to soak up.
I Am for everything you said, Bettering the coin, chain, tech, for the benefit of all of us involved with OC (Yes including current and future investors.)
But of course no one comes and just 'helps', everyone has a cost......
so what's the underlying question or proposition?
Sorry I hate beating around the bush. I am like you, I like to get shit done, like yesterday status.
Cheers!
-Raven
And BTW i am from the (EDIT: location omitted). Nice to meet you Crysx
that's a lot of information to soak up.
I Am for everything you said, Bettering the coin, chain, tech, for the benefit of all of us involved with OC (Yes including current and future investors.)
But of course no one comes and just 'helps', everyone has a cost......
so what's the underlying question or proposition?
Sorry I hate beating around the bush. I am like you, I like to get shit done, like yesterday status.
Cheers!
-Raven
And BTW i am from the (EDIT: location omitted). Nice to meet you Crysx
I normally would not reveal PM's, apologies to raven, but this is to show you what I'm not involved in. There is not any sensitive info contained in the PM, hence why I feel ok with revealing the content without asking his permission.
You stated above: "and what was teh response raven gave me in return to it? ... read back on the pms and refresh your memory mate - or ask for a copy from raven ..." I would ask for a copy, but raven's account is lost for now, so I would need that convo from you. Again, I did not receive any of this convo except what is in the quoted PM above.
I don't know why I'm not being kept in any loops. I don't know why facts and stories aren't lining up. Things are being said differently to different people. It's all fine if things change, but let's keep the communication up. Otherwise, this happens.
Halo,
I commend you for doing that. I do not mind PMs being shared as long as they are relevant to the conversation also if they don't entail too much information. In this case it is fine.
Thank you,
On another note from reading,
@Crysx you're right I do not know how you work... And I mean no offense when I say this then:
From the Moment you entered the conversation\thread you have been slamming and pissed off at something. Let's put that aside and start anew.
Any talent we can grasp, will be better for all of us as a whole.
I OPENLY Communicated that I wanted you to be onboard because the way you explained it to me was you have experience with Developing and maintaining systems, again talent. It is always nice when you have a fresh set of eyes as well to not just oversee but to partake in the project and implement change.
Again I mean no offense, those words were not aimed to cause harm in anyway shape or form. Just an observance.
@Halo: The only thing Crysx and I talked about was trying to see what he wanted in return for working with us on OC. And how to contact each other via skype or what have you.
Back to the subject at hand:
I wish I could get some more PMs for everyone. But yes there are Three options currently and we are still at square one. Let's leave the sandbox and play like adults FORREAL, and leave the sandbox to devvies. All of this complaining about whom and what will just drive people away as then we are seen as childish, as a group.
Just my two OCs
Cheers!
-Raven
Edited for Punctuation
Thanks Raven for understanding.
"From the Moment you entered the conversation\thread you have been slamming and pissed off at something." Yeah, I noticed it a few different times, but paid no mind. I believe soopy and crysx have something to talk about that doesn't involve us, raven. I'm staying out of it.
Re: [ANN][OC] Orangecoin v2.0.4 ✦ PoS ✦ Anon ✦ Masternode Whitepaper ✦ Get Juiced!
Hosting for our block explorer runs out soon. Please contribute what you can. Thank you.
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/oc/#
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/oc/#
Re: [ANN][OC] Orangecoin v2.0.3 ✦ PoS ✦ Anon ✦ Masternode Whitepaper ✦ Get Juiced!
Wow,
I am torn, and feel horrible.
I am trying to recover my Raven Account as I type this. I haven't logged in since I had to travel recently, until I got back yesterday.
Soop,
First of all, I do apologize for my rant. You came through! (This is why I feel horrible.)
Secondly, The reason why I am torn is why was crysx saying all of this....stuff? I Understand you're a busy man working on huge project(s) which Congrats on the NAV 2.0 BTW. UGH *confused* *Somucheffort*
Anyways, to prove I am Raven
I am updating BTCGarden to bumb the version and posting the Revision notes and links. Done
Cheers!
-Raven
I am torn, and feel horrible.
I am trying to recover my Raven Account as I type this. I haven't logged in since I had to travel recently, until I got back yesterday.
Soop,
First of all, I do apologize for my rant. You came through! (This is why I feel horrible.)
Secondly, The reason why I am torn is why was crysx saying all of this....stuff? I Understand you're a busy man working on huge project(s) which Congrats on the NAV 2.0 BTW. UGH *confused* *Somucheffort*
Anyways, to prove I am Raven
Cheers!
-Raven
there are a number of reasons why - and soopy knows the full extent of it ...
soopy and i have worked side by side on a few things - especially granite droidz ...
@soopy ... once again soopy - the conversation we had on pm has gone by the wayside ...
its been 3days - hence why i do and say the things i do and say ...
there is no 'granite is next' soopy ... it has never been nor ever will be 'next' ...
promises are made to be kept - not broken ...
@raven - there are too many thing that are happen in the background - and too many different promises / actions that have occurred - for me to be silent about this ...
how can my team and i be a part of system that continues to sway so easily from side to side - because its so desperate for development? ...
i was given the go ahead by you and halo - and now soopy is 'back' - things have reverted back to the way they were? ... no tanx - that is a very weak way of doing things - and a very weak way of making 'deals' ... which also means that your word is no more of a bond than the so called cohesion that this community is displaying ...
i KNOW what will happen now - and KNOW what the outcome of this will be ... look at the droidz ( the latest one ) thread and read up on the similarities ... as well as pex and loco and a few others ...
this way of working is a disgusting display of how one should NEVER behave - as with other coins mentioned like droidz ...
#crysx
Reminder: Soopy is in a unique position here at OC, the arrangement was he would fix and maintain our code, and if he could (based on available time or ability), he'd provide more like Masternodes. His official title is: Consultant Developer & Technical Advisor, OP Access. This leans towards a temporary dev title along the lines of if OC code had problems, we consult soopy to fix them, OR if we wanted a feature, we could consult him to see if it would be easy or a project to incorporate, while allowing him the chance to chime in or implement those features. His "baby" is NAV, that's where he's a full dev. Other than the non-delivery on his public post promises concerning anything more than OC code maintenance, he's doing what he said he would for us.
Like you said, soopy is 'back', but it was news to (at least) me when he posted that. Soopy has not been in contact with me for a long time (months and months and months) via PM's or anywhere else, save for the public convo's in the thread for all to read. He didn't say anything prior to release about what he was doing with this new update. Frustrating, but not the end of the world but only since I saw his post quick enough to get everything updated within a enough of a timely fashion before it could reflect back on us all for not having everything updated.
I think he has too much going on (hence maybe why he mislabeled his own OC github link?), and all coins that he's involved in might/will suffer because of the lack of time he can invest per coin.
I'd just like to see someone or a team work OC. The community is not demanding a full time gig from anyone but we need more than what's been served in ways of actual development. If you wanted, you could fork it and soopy would be out -- if by chance you couldn't work together. Simple as that. No hard feelings or "digs" towards soopy when I say that either, but I'm thinking it would alleviate some of his "workload" so he could focus on his other coins, again, if you couldn't work together.
Soopy's absence isn't the driving force to finding another dev or "talent" as I often say. He wasn't meant to stay with OC forever unless he wanted to, which he had the option.
firstly - that is NOT what was pm'ed me not so long ago - and NOT what has happened ... or is it easier to quote the pms? ...
secondly - there is NEVER a time that soopy and i cannot work with each other ... i have a LOT of respect for soopy as a person and a LOT of respect for him as a dev ... as for his reliability? ... well ...
there is MUCH more to this than is publicly shown - and soopy KNOWS the extent to which he and i have dealt - and have continued to deal ... i pull NO punches - never have and never will ... i say things as i see them and will NEVER change that ... had there been an equitable system put in place - there would be no one pushing and shoving and praising ... but as there is no system in place - your suggestion of my forking the source and working on it - is a blatant misrepresentation of what WE ( raven and i ) had discussed earlier with your apparent knowledge halofire ... especially with regards to my involvement ... the time and effort and money involved in doing this RIGHT - is more than i or my team was willing to do without some form of compensation and / or affiliation or complete takeover ... THAT was the bottom line ... and what was teh response raven gave me in return to it? ... read back on the pms and refresh your memory mate - or ask for a copy from raven ...
which ever way this works now - it is entirely up to you all HOW you deal with this ... its no skin off my nose ... i just dont like the miscommunication AND the false representations of myself and my team - and the things that were and were NOT said ...
if soopy WANTS to work with me on this - he can ... but the garbage about him being 'just' a consultant and he could return anytime he felt and the rest of the blurb - was NEVER brought to my attention here in the thread NOR in private ...
im astounded at what has transpired ... and STILL you continue on about it all being an open discussion and praising soopy about his coming 'back' ... seriously mate! ...
i deal - and work - and make clean and DO the things i say im going to do ... so far - its simply talk - and nothing but ... so let it be just that ... and there will be no hard feelings anywhere ... but when the cookie crumbles and all is stagnant once again - just remeber this situation and what you have said and NOT said ...
im still open for discussion - but not at this level ...
@soopy - stick to what you say and what you promise mate ... too many people of the communities you deal with RELY on your word - and your word as a gentleman ...
you KNOW how i work soopy - raven and halo dont ... and ill continue to work the same as i have - and we have grown much bigger than when you first dealt with me ... deal clean - deal well ...
and much respect - to you and all that deserve it ...
#crysx
I didn't say that you can't work together, I said IF. I said that because I was getting the feeling from what you typed you won't work on OC with him because of your previous endeavors. And you aren't working with him presently in OC. You said "there is no 'granite is next' soopy ... it has never been nor ever will be 'next' ..." which means he's not working with you or vice versa, due to whatever reason. I was trying to present OC options; an A, B, and C. 'A' being you two work together, 'B' you fork it yourself, 'C' which is the current state of a lone soopy doing his thing if you werent' coming on board.
It would be easier for you to quote PM's, because I don't think we are on the same page. Things may have changed since he came on board, nothing was made known to me.
If soopy were our full time dev, it would say Lead Dev or something to that effect. He's the one who made the current title for himself, way back when. If you didn't read the title he has on the OP that's been there since the OP was made, and didn't question it why it was like that (after he told you otherwise?), well, I don't have an answer for why you didn't come forth with that until now.
Praising soopy about him returning? I don't see any "praise" of his return from me. A 2 word "greeting"? Welcome back? My spectacular comment was about him fixing the link. I don't see where you are coming from on this.
Blatant misrepresentation of your involvement with my knowledge on the subject?? I don't know what your involvement would be. This is the only correspondence I've received from April 15, 2016 from raven about you, it's only his half of a PM convo between you two. Nothing else had been sent to me, nor spoken about.
Wow,
that's a lot of information to soak up.
I Am for everything you said, Bettering the coin, chain, tech, for the benefit of all of us involved with OC (Yes including current and future investors.)
But of course no one comes and just 'helps', everyone has a cost......
so what's the underlying question or proposition?
Sorry I hate beating around the bush. I am like you, I like to get shit done, like yesterday status.
Cheers!
-Raven
And BTW i am from the (EDIT: location omitted). Nice to meet you Crysx
that's a lot of information to soak up.
I Am for everything you said, Bettering the coin, chain, tech, for the benefit of all of us involved with OC (Yes including current and future investors.)
But of course no one comes and just 'helps', everyone has a cost......
so what's the underlying question or proposition?
Sorry I hate beating around the bush. I am like you, I like to get shit done, like yesterday status.
Cheers!
-Raven
And BTW i am from the (EDIT: location omitted). Nice to meet you Crysx
I normally would not reveal PM's, apologies to raven, but this is to show you what I'm not involved in. There is not any sensitive info contained in the PM, hence why I feel ok with revealing the content without asking his permission.
You stated above: "and what was teh response raven gave me in return to it? ... read back on the pms and refresh your memory mate - or ask for a copy from raven ..." I would ask for a copy, but raven's account is lost for now, so I would need that convo from you. Again, I did not receive any of this convo except what is in the quoted PM above.
I don't know why I'm not being kept in any loops. I don't know why facts and stories aren't lining up. Things are being said differently to different people. It's all fine if things change, but let's keep the communication up. Otherwise, this happens.
Re: [ANN][OC] Orangecoin v2.0.3 ✦ PoS ✦ Anon ✦ Masternode Whitepaper ✦ Get Juiced!
Wow,
I am torn, and feel horrible.
I am trying to recover my Raven Account as I type this. I haven't logged in since I had to travel recently, until I got back yesterday.
Soop,
First of all, I do apologize for my rant. You came through! (This is why I feel horrible.)
Secondly, The reason why I am torn is why was crysx saying all of this....stuff? I Understand you're a busy man working on huge project(s) which Congrats on the NAV 2.0 BTW. UGH *confused* *Somucheffort*
Anyways, to prove I am Raven
I am updating BTCGarden to bumb the version and posting the Revision notes and links. Done
Cheers!
-Raven
I am torn, and feel horrible.
I am trying to recover my Raven Account as I type this. I haven't logged in since I had to travel recently, until I got back yesterday.
Soop,
First of all, I do apologize for my rant. You came through! (This is why I feel horrible.)
Secondly, The reason why I am torn is why was crysx saying all of this....stuff? I Understand you're a busy man working on huge project(s) which Congrats on the NAV 2.0 BTW. UGH *confused* *Somucheffort*
Anyways, to prove I am Raven
Cheers!
-Raven
there are a number of reasons why - and soopy knows the full extent of it ...
soopy and i have worked side by side on a few things - especially granite droidz ...
@soopy ... once again soopy - the conversation we had on pm has gone by the wayside ...
its been 3days - hence why i do and say the things i do and say ...
there is no 'granite is next' soopy ... it has never been nor ever will be 'next' ...
promises are made to be kept - not broken ...
@raven - there are too many thing that are happen in the background - and too many different promises / actions that have occurred - for me to be silent about this ...
how can my team and i be a part of system that continues to sway so easily from side to side - because its so desperate for development? ...
i was given the go ahead by you and halo - and now soopy is 'back' - things have reverted back to the way they were? ... no tanx - that is a very weak way of doing things - and a very weak way of making 'deals' ... which also means that your word is no more of a bond than the so called cohesion that this community is displaying ...
i KNOW what will happen now - and KNOW what the outcome of this will be ... look at the droidz ( the latest one ) thread and read up on the similarities ... as well as pex and loco and a few others ...
this way of working is a disgusting display of how one should NEVER behave - as with other coins mentioned like droidz ...
#crysx
Reminder: Soopy is in a unique position here at OC, the arrangement was he would fix and maintain our code, and if he could (based on available time or ability), he'd provide more like Masternodes. His official title is: Consultant Developer & Technical Advisor, OP Access. This leans towards a temporary dev title along the lines of if OC code had problems, we consult soopy to fix them, OR if we wanted a feature, we could consult him to see if it would be easy or a project to incorporate, while allowing him the chance to chime in or implement those features. His "baby" is NAV, that's where he's a full dev. Other than the non-delivery on his public post promises concerning anything more than OC code maintenance, he's doing what he said he would for us.
Like you said, soopy is 'back', but it was news to (at least) me when he posted that. Soopy has not been in contact with me for a long time (months and months and months) via PM's or anywhere else, save for the public convo's in the thread for all to read. He didn't say anything prior to release about what he was doing with this new update. Frustrating, but not the end of the world but only since I saw his post quick enough to get everything updated within a enough of a timely fashion before it could reflect back on us all for not having everything updated.
I think he has too much going on (hence maybe why he mislabeled his own OC github link?), and all coins that he's involved in might/will suffer because of the lack of time he can invest per coin.
I'd just like to see someone or a team work OC. The community is not demanding a full time gig from anyone but we need more than what's been served in ways of actual development. If you wanted, you could fork it and soopy would be out -- if by chance you couldn't work together. Simple as that. No hard feelings or "digs" towards soopy when I say that either, but I'm thinking it would alleviate some of his "workload" so he could focus on his other coins, again, if you couldn't work together.
Soopy's absence isn't the driving force to finding another dev or "talent" as I often say. He wasn't meant to stay with OC forever unless he wanted to, which he had the option.
Re: [ANN][OC] Orangecoin v2.0.3 ✦ PoS ✦ Anon ✦ Masternode Whitepaper ✦ Get Juiced!
OrangeCoin Update:
OrangeCoin Windows Client as well as the Github has been updated to 2.0.4.
Change Log:
*Checkpointed at #454757
*Version Bumped 2.0.4
*Reverted To Default Theme.
Enjoy!
Github
https://github.com/OrangeCoin/orangecoin
Windows Wallet
http://www.mediafire.com/download/hsqobfzoc42hg28/OrangeCoin+2.0.4+Windows+Wallet.zip
Warm Regards,
~SoopY~
OrangeCoin Windows Client as well as the Github has been updated to 2.0.4.
Change Log:
*Checkpointed at #454757
*Version Bumped 2.0.4
*Reverted To Default Theme.
Enjoy!
Github
https://github.com/OrangeCoin/orangecoin
Windows Wallet
http://www.mediafire.com/download/hsqobfzoc42hg28/OrangeCoin+2.0.4+Windows+Wallet.zip
Warm Regards,
~SoopY~
Welcome back.
One thing I noticed, the github link you provided is not OC's, that I have ever seen anyway. The date for the last commit (change) on that git was 4 months prior to OC original dev's initial commit in 2014.
The original devs git was here: https://github.com/Orangecoins/Orangecoin
Yours was here: https://github.com/sherlockcoin/Orangecoin
Oops my bad mate , it should be :
https://github.com/sherlockcoin/Orangecoin
I've updated my initial post to rectify this.
Please update accordingly.
Spectacular. Will update now. Thanks!
Re: [ANN][OC] Orangecoin v2.0.3 ✦ PoS ✦ Anon ✦ Masternode Whitepaper ✦ Get Juiced!
OrangeCoin Update:
OrangeCoin Windows Client as well as the Github has been updated to 2.0.4.
Change Log:
*Checkpointed at #454757
*Version Bumped 2.0.4
*Reverted To Default Theme.
Enjoy!
Github
https://github.com/OrangeCoin/orangecoin
Windows Wallet
http://www.mediafire.com/download/hsqobfzoc42hg28/OrangeCoin+2.0.4+Windows+Wallet.zip
Warm Regards,
~SoopY~
OrangeCoin Windows Client as well as the Github has been updated to 2.0.4.
Change Log:
*Checkpointed at #454757
*Version Bumped 2.0.4
*Reverted To Default Theme.
Enjoy!
Github
https://github.com/OrangeCoin/orangecoin
Windows Wallet
http://www.mediafire.com/download/hsqobfzoc42hg28/OrangeCoin+2.0.4+Windows+Wallet.zip
Warm Regards,
~SoopY~
Welcome back.
One thing I noticed, the github link you provided is not OC's, that I have ever seen anyway. The date for the last commit (change) on that git was 4 months prior to OC original dev's initial commit in 2014.
The original devs git was here: https://github.com/Orangecoins/Orangecoin
Yours was here: https://github.com/sherlockcoin/Orangecoin
Re: [ANN][OC] Orangecoin v2.0.3 ✦ PoS ✦ Anon ✦ Masternode Whitepaper ✦ Get Juiced!
Doesn't make sense why john would tell us publicly that he is no longer a bag holder, especially if he knew of this plan. I'm curious to see how this all unfolds as well.
Re: [ANN][OC] Orangecoin v2.0.3 ✦ PoS ✦ Anon ✦ Masternode Whitepaper ✦ Get Juiced!
I always thought the Orange Coin an interesting coin. Too bad that the community is small. I hope that in the future better.
Our community is bigger than you think. They are just quiet while things get sorted, silently observing. They'll come forward when it's necessary.
Welcome aboard!
Re: [ANN][OC] Orangecoin v2.0.3 ✦ PoS ✦ Anon ✦ Masternode Whitepaper ✦ Get Juiced!
I always thought the Orange Coin an interesting coin. Too bad that the community is small. I hope that in the future better.
Moe, do you know any developers who's available for a conversation.
I am supposed to contact crysx. But I have been busy and may have lost an opportunity.
In the world of crypto, opportunity is never lost. Maybe delayed, but never lost. Just ask him what he'd present OC with and we'd like to know what he wants. He'll have his plan to talk to you about.
Re: [ANN][OC] Orangecoin v2.0.3 ✦ PoS ✦ Anon ✦ Masternode Whitepaper ✦ Get Juiced!
So where are we with all of this going back and forth, has PMs been sent out? Looks like alot of sells, maybe good, maybe bad.
After reading over the past 5 pages. We all have great ideas. But without a person to take charge, bring, and implement changes AKA Development person\team. There is no community to adhere to. I have to agree with Crysx...
Since we have a stable chain thanks to Soop......
Who has ideas they want to play with?
Who has motivation to work through the problems with implementing those new 'play' ideas?
You don't learn if you don't make mistakes. And if you don't try, how do you expect to make those mistakes and then learn from them? (This is my principle, and I get bewildered by people freaking out when things are going wrong by doing something new. "Did you know that was going to happen, did you create it? Can you fix it? If not, Why are you so mad!?")
Basically, in laymen terms let's have fun again, let's play.
Let's solve problems.
Right now we are not.
We are pointing fingers around, and you know what happens when you point fingers? You have three pointing back at you. And I am including myself.
Cheers guys!
-Raven
PS - We maybe at a standstill right now, but Still. We are working to resolve the problems at hand.
After reading over the past 5 pages. We all have great ideas. But without a person to take charge, bring, and implement changes AKA Development person\team. There is no community to adhere to. I have to agree with Crysx...
Since we have a stable chain thanks to Soop......
Who has ideas they want to play with?
Who has motivation to work through the problems with implementing those new 'play' ideas?
You don't learn if you don't make mistakes. And if you don't try, how do you expect to make those mistakes and then learn from them? (This is my principle, and I get bewildered by people freaking out when things are going wrong by doing something new. "Did you know that was going to happen, did you create it? Can you fix it? If not, Why are you so mad!?")
Basically, in laymen terms let's have fun again, let's play.
Let's solve problems.
Right now we are not.
We are pointing fingers around, and you know what happens when you point fingers? You have three pointing back at you. And I am including myself.
Cheers guys!
-Raven
PS - We maybe at a standstill right now, but Still. We are working to resolve the problems at hand.
Pointing fingers, if you are refering to my "soopy came in and did whatever he wanted" statement, I was saying that as it were an "ok thing" for him to be doing, and that whichever team or dev comes in next gets the same opportunity to play with our code.
So, where's the talent? Who's got ideas? Who wants to participate?
Big holders of this coin should help. I used to be a big holder, but not anymore. I sold A LOT.
Somebody has bought A LOT. The new big holders should be able to get DEV team for this coin.
I have tried to get soopy over, but he is always missing. I am still around, but not a big holder anymore.
Somebody has bought A LOT. The new big holders should be able to get DEV team for this coin.
I have tried to get soopy over, but he is always missing. I am still around, but not a big holder anymore.
Throwing money at a coin will not solve things completely. If a dev or team is driven, it only takes one dev (or persons on a team) with 1 OC each to make that 1 OC dream worth a million $.
We need a dev and team to be whole-heartedly committed, to achieve new boundaries of code and see what the blockchain can really do. We have parts of that team already.
Well said. Well said, Halo.
-Raven
agreed ... totally ...
hence the word TEAM being 'unounciated' in the post ...
but you cannot expect a TEAM to have 1oc and make it worth $1million if the major holders of the 'team' is but the few that are the richest ... that will not work - no matter which way you look at it ...
a shared expense and wealth is the ONLY way you will do this - unless you get contracters to come in - do the job - and leave - getting PAID ( not invested in oc ) in btc for the 'job' ...
if my team and i came in and did this - with no oc in our pockets - how fair would that be? ...
as a team - shared wealth AND shared responsibility would be the priority ... but having said that - it all goes to hell if you dont have a team LEAD to have the ultimate say after the voting is done ...
sounds too corporate for you? ... it probably is ... but it works and can make a coin pull itself from obscurity - to the the forefront ...
there are some MAJOR holders of oc - that should share some of that wealth if they want to realize the coins potential ... its the only way to attract the attention and focus of devs willing to put time and effort in ...
thats my 1oc worth ( which is more oc than i actually own ) ...
#crysx
Of course one wouldn't want to do anything without receiving something for their work, but that something received doesn't always necessarily have to be worth something tangible or monetarily backed. Something is lost along the way when something becomes corporate.
If someone wants to come in and provide a service, services including dev work, then they should speak up. Do you think community funds can be raised for something of quality or innovation? I sure as hell do. The amount of momentum, news, and limelight would bring all types of people.
We have the OCDF (development fund) for stuff like this. If a dev provides something innovative, then I'll ask the community if the dev can be given all or some of the fund. With 200k+ OC in it, that's enticing. Want to make OC worth 50 cents? $1? $100?
Want to be paid in btc? Make the work worth it to the rest of the world and they will pay you in the markets. If an innovative dev can't stand behind their work and believe in it, then there's no reason for them to be working on OC or any other coin --- aside from the public's favoring of the dev's work (if the public doesn't like his work and the market shows it, that's not what I'm talking about). We are all trying to make OC grow. We all have our parts. When a dev releases code (soopy in this case), raven and I would hit all the social outlets or connections we had. It all feeds off each other. Cycle breaks, it's hard to get back in the groove, which is kind of where we're at now.
To anyone wanting to work on OC needing payment: Show the community something worth our hard earned OC and we'll go from there. Could be a plan, could be code to push on git, could be just about anything. We are open-minded and receptive. We discuss offers publicly. Some get turned away, some don't. Community consensus.
I have to agree with Halo, we openly discuss and move forward as a community.
I hold 100k I Can donate If we get moving forward again with news and development.
Cheers!
-Raven
ok - all good ...
do as you will - with the community at the helm ... thats a good way to make decisions and make sure its adhered to - as the responsibility falls back on the community ...
but as to entice devs into such a consensus that the dev ( or dev team ) is at the whim of community direction? ... well - i can only say basically what i have said earlier ...
communities are great for general decision making and planning - but core development work AND putting things into practice AND ensuring that it functions under a specific plan ... these things are DECISIONS that need to be made by the core team - and the development team that heads the project - not by the community ...
the majority of community members consist of investors and traders and bagholders - NOT by core devs ... dev work falls on dev teams - and as such - require specific knowledge and ( sometimes ) hard decision making - which should never fall on the community's shoulders ... if the community members were all core devs - then no problems ... but they are not ... members of the oc community ( or any coins community for that matter ) are a mix of traders and investors and laborers and nurses and accountants and ... see where im coming from? ...
the core decisions need to made by the core team ... create a core team ( headed by a LEADER - which doesnt necessarily mean a dev ) which can be decisive and can progress development - and you will have a winning formula ... leave it to the accountants and bricklayers and others - and you will have people that control what could possibly be a successful coin - down a path that really only a development team should be leading ...
these same people - the nurses and factory workers and others - will normally only be interested in their investment growing and flourishing at the hands of a competent development team ...
i know - as im one of those community members - and have been part of ( and still am ) developments teams ... though not necessarily with this coin currently - had i the inclination to invest - i would want to know that its being lead by competent people and a leader with a vision ...
this is obviously just my opinion and can be completely disregarded ... but i know what i would want - and it certainly would involve a team that didnt just do what the community wanted per se - but did what was necessary for the growth and success of the coin and the coins investors / community ...
#crysx
Allow me to clarify what I mean by community consensus, my definition and scenarios.
Voting on things like logo's, or voting on an amount to spend on a service, or like voting on 3 options we are given by a dev to choose from. We just move forward as a community, when a community consensus is required or an option. A dev or dev team can do almost whatever what they want once they are publicly accepted -- note that I did not say "voted in". It's not an election. It is the favoring of the community that decides whether a dev is accepted or not, and the market value will reflect that. If we were to be paying a dev to do work, then yes, a community consensus would be necessary if the OC dev fund would be used. If the dev were to be privately funded and announced as such, then the public favor will decide in the markets. If a dev does work for free or is privately funded but isn't announced as such, again, the market value will ultimately reflect the choices and work and promises of the new dev. We, as a community, would want the dev to keep the community's best interests at heart, which usually is aligned with the community anyway.
Please know when I say "dev" in the above paragraph, I mean "dev or dev team" for all intents and purposes.
Don't let this "political correctness of sorts" deter or steer anyone away. Soopy came in and did whatever he wanted. It's more or less these weird "broken cycle, dev-less" times I referred too earlier that the community has more say as we look for talent, as with the other examples I stated above.
A big holder? How many OC does it take to classify one as a big holder?
possibly 500k OC and more. On what basis?
Big holders of this coin should help. I used to be a big holder, but not anymore. I sold A LOT.
Somebody has bought A LOT. The new big holders should be able to get DEV team for this coin.
I have tried to get soopy over, but he is always missing. I am still around, but not a big holder anymore.
Somebody has bought A LOT. The new big holders should be able to get DEV team for this coin.
I have tried to get soopy over, but he is always missing. I am still around, but not a big holder anymore.
Throwing money at a coin will not solve things completely. If a dev or team is driven, it only takes one dev (or persons on a team) with 1 OC each to make that 1 OC dream worth a million $.
We need a dev and team to be whole-heartedly committed, to achieve new boundaries of code and see what the blockchain can really do. We have parts of that team already.
Well said. Well said, Halo.
-Raven
agreed ... totally ...
hence the word TEAM being 'unounciated' in the post ...
but you cannot expect a TEAM to have 1oc and make it worth $1million if the major holders of the 'team' is but the few that are the richest ... that will not work - no matter which way you look at it ...
a shared expense and wealth is the ONLY way you will do this - unless you get contracters to come in - do the job - and leave - getting PAID ( not invested in oc ) in btc for the 'job' ...
if my team and i came in and did this - with no oc in our pockets - how fair would that be? ...
as a team - shared wealth AND shared responsibility would be the priority ... but having said that - it all goes to hell if you dont have a team LEAD to have the ultimate say after the voting is done ...
sounds too corporate for you? ... it probably is ... but it works and can make a coin pull itself from obscurity - to the the forefront ...
there are some MAJOR holders of oc - that should share some of that wealth if they want to realize the coins potential ... its the only way to attract the attention and focus of devs willing to put time and effort in ...
thats my 1oc worth ( which is more oc than i actually own ) ...
#crysx
Of course one wouldn't want to do anything without receiving something for their work, but that something received doesn't always necessarily have to be worth something tangible or monetarily backed. Something is lost along the way when something becomes corporate.
If someone wants to come in and provide a service, services including dev work, then they should speak up. Do you think community funds can be raised for something of quality or innovation? I sure as hell do. The amount of momentum, news, and limelight would bring all types of people.
We have the OCDF (development fund) for stuff like this. If a dev provides something innovative, then I'll ask the community if the dev can be given all or some of the fund. With 200k+ OC in it, that's enticing. Want to make OC worth 50 cents? $1? $100?
Want to be paid in btc? Make the work worth it to the rest of the world and they will pay you in the markets. If an innovative dev can't stand behind their work and believe in it, then there's no reason for them to be working on OC or any other coin --- aside from the public's favoring of the dev's work (if the public doesn't like his work and the market shows it, that's not what I'm talking about). We are all trying to make OC grow. We all have our parts. When a dev releases code (soopy in this case), raven and I would hit all the social outlets or connections we had. It all feeds off each other. Cycle breaks, it's hard to get back in the groove, which is kind of where we're at now.
To anyone wanting to work on OC needing payment: Show the community something worth our hard earned OC and we'll go from there. Could be a plan, could be code to push on git, could be just about anything. We are open-minded and receptive. We discuss offers publicly. Some get turned away, some don't. Community consensus.