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Re: ALL LINKS IN THIS SECTION SHOULD BE VIEWED AS SCAM SITES - A WARNING
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Honestbit
on 19/06/2016, 21:41:03 UTC
What do the lifetimes mean?
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Re: ALL LINKS IN THIS SECTION SHOULD BE VIEWED AS SCAM SITES - A WARNING
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Honestbit
on 09/06/2016, 16:57:51 UTC
@Honestbit

It makes statistics of how many DOUBLE and HYIP sites have been created until now, how many people invested money and how many received money.

I think if you search you'll have all answers you need, because my dear, I see that your poor soul is lost.




My dear, you must understand that I am not defending all ponzis, just mine. I will be interested in sharing the statistics of honest bitcoin if you want, and you can see that nothing that I have said is untrue.
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Re: ALL LINKS IN THIS SECTION SHOULD BE VIEWED AS SCAM SITES - A WARNING
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Honestbit
on 08/06/2016, 19:53:37 UTC
Just yesterday I saw a topic that someone complained that cryptodevil was abusing to give trust negative to all who invest in double sites. but cryptodevil is right to give red trust for all who invest in double and hyip sites.

see this site
See, this is the type of generalization that Slow death is so good at. He uses one totally unrelated example to justify another.

I when I saw this site I was very angry, these people when post these images of corn do not have notion that there are so many countries that people are hungry, who do not have even have corn to eat, the children of these places are malnourished and suffer from many diseases. It is very sad to see.

See shit stealing others without weight in consciousness is very disgusting!

Man, I pity you if seeing corn makes you triggered. Does this make you upset?

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Re: ALL LINKS IN THIS SECTION SHOULD BE VIEWED AS SCAM SITES - A WARNING
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Honestbit
on 05/06/2016, 16:38:20 UTC
I'd like to start a poll here, just reply with you answer. Which is right?

1) All ponzis are scams because people lose money.

2) Ponzis that make it clear that they are ponzis are not scams because the investors know the risks.

If you're afraid of voting because people will abuse the trust system against your right to speak out, my friends and I will give you positive trust.

I am curious what the public thinks about this, not just the big players on this thread
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Re: ALL LINKS IN THIS SECTION SHOULD BE VIEWED AS SCAM SITES - A WARNING
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Honestbit
on 31/05/2016, 17:42:45 UTC
I'd like to start a poll here, just reply with you answer. Which is right?

1) All ponzis are scams because people lose money.

2) Ponzis that make it clear that they are ponzis are not scams because the investors know the risks.

If you're afraid of voting because people will abuse the trust system against your right to speak out, my friends and I will give you positive trust.

I am curious what the public thinks about this, not just the big players on this thread

ponzi schemes are unsustainable is WHAT leads people to lose money.

The function of each new recruit is synthetically:

a) give money to the scammers/recruiters and

b) to attract new recruits to pay for the scheme.



Indeed. And in some cases, the recruits are aware of their position. But, I am not interested in what you have to say. Read the last sentence in my last post
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Re: ALL LINKS IN THIS SECTION SHOULD BE VIEWED AS SCAM SITES - A WARNING
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Honestbit
on 31/05/2016, 17:10:04 UTC
I'd like to start a poll here, just reply with you answer. Which is right?

1) All ponzis are scams because people lose money.

2) Ponzis that make it clear that they are ponzis are not scams because the investors know the risks.

If you're afraid of voting because people will abuse the trust system against your right to speak out, my friends and I will give you positive trust.

I am curious what the public thinks about this, not just the big players on this thread
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Re: ALL LINKS IN THIS SECTION SHOULD BE VIEWED AS SCAM SITES - A WARNING
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Honestbit
on 31/05/2016, 17:02:30 UTC
I noticed another potential 'honest'shit here, asking and 'demanding' people to reply his shitty question.
Their stupid styles are all the same, either self moderate shitty thread if not pretend to be innocent and asked why neg trust or why they people think they are 'scammer'/ponzi scam.
I highly recommend clicking 'IGNORE' on this potential spammer and scammer.

Wow. It's not like all you do is call eveeything a scam that you don't like
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Re: ALL LINKS IN THIS SECTION SHOULD BE VIEWED AS SCAM SITES - A WARNING
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Honestbit
on 29/05/2016, 23:28:19 UTC
Hey geniuses, maybe you could advise us on how to make doublers that aren't scams. Because doublers will always continue to happen, then how about you actually try something useful. Like I said before, Honest Bitcoin is not supposed to be a scam, or else I would never have told you it was a ponzi.
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Re: ALL LINKS IN THIS SECTION SHOULD BE VIEWED AS SCAM SITES - A WARNING
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Honestbit
on 26/05/2016, 13:59:25 UTC
Nice thread you've got here. Everyone on this forum should view this thread. TBH this should be stickied, and the warning message should become more clear when you enter this section of the forum.

If anyone ignores this post they should be instantly negative trusted since participating in a ponzi equals stupidity and robbing from other people essentially, as your payout is a person not getting their payout.

How about you read my previous posts to see how wrong you are? And that would be an abuse of the trust system that you are suggesting....
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Re: ALL LINKS IN THIS SECTION SHOULD BE VIEWED AS SCAM SITES - A WARNING
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Honestbit
on 26/05/2016, 13:56:30 UTC
In my opinion this thread is very miss leading people. The owner can not be able to first of all follow every project, quality, payments (and legitemacy). Thread owner could not be available for some time, so info WILL GET outdated. Also the thread owner could make hes own scam and promote it like best one. I think this thread should be NOT TAKEN SERIOUS. This thread is like an info-scam in my personal opinion. I know I will get flamed now here, but there is a truth in what I just stated.

I not quite understand what you meant.

Ponzi sites are predictable ... they all collapse and are illegal.

all ponzi sites are scams.

Can you answer my question?
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Re: HONEST BITCOIN: DOUBLE YOUR BITCOINS. YES IT IS A PONZI.
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Honestbit
on 18/05/2016, 22:59:28 UTC
And what about you? What exactly have you accomplished here?
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Re: ALL LINKS IN THIS SECTION SHOULD BE VIEWED AS SCAM SITES - A WARNING
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Honestbit
on 18/05/2016, 22:57:21 UTC
It would be great if you could advise me...
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Re: HONEST BITCOIN: DOUBLE YOUR BITCOINS. YES IT IS A PONZI.
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Honestbit
on 17/05/2016, 16:18:13 UTC
"***If you post something useless and non constructive well we understand that you are useless by nature yourself.***"
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Re: HONEST BITCOIN: DOUBLE YOUR BITCOINS. YES IT IS A PONZI.
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Honestbit
on 17/05/2016, 12:34:05 UTC

Indeed, it is on the list. However, the list is run by a bunch of narcissists who feel like they have the right to accuse all ponzis of being scams. You can see from the blockchain that there have been no new deposits. But if there were any made, I would continue to pay out.

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Mr. Scammer Leader " as you can see if anyone invest your site enters the bankrupt and goodbye 5% profit. Grin

I think if you want to invent something to earn 5% profit Grin, at least not create something that involves hyip / ponzi scheme. Cheesy


Why allow here the promotion of ponzi shemes if it is only scam?
All the blablabla would not be possible.

Here people can only say...scam...SCAM...SCAM.
This is so easy...
People can talk about the risk of scam...ok...but it is only a risk...the same risk is every where.

People should more explain about the risk to lose...because people earn what other people earn...
Why are ponzi so popular?
Because the probability to earn with a ponzi is often higher than the probability to earn with nationnal lotteries ...because the states take big taxes...
It is why the states do not like ponzi...they have no profit from them...

Here often talking against ponzi is just a way to earn with sign campaign (lol)

I do not play the lottery and a day I can not make more than 8 post at most I've done until now were 18 post in 2 days. many stools phaco between 8-13 post per day. being low ranking member not think it makes sense someone tell me I post in the forum because signature campaign.

I have Business in real life and I want (do not know when) open an orphanage to care for needy children.

I hate politicians and come to learn because here are some thing I need in my projects.

I do not like HYIP site, PONZI and DOUBLE.

As for everywhere there is a risk? you are right, but has punishment when someone commits crime for example. in your case I think it goes without saying that you can steal that no one had punished you.


Nice to hear something like that is in your future plans!!!

Indeed. But if you were trying to say that here on this post to get attention or pity, it's not going to work.
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Re: ALL LINKS IN THIS SECTION SHOULD BE VIEWED AS SCAM SITES - A WARNING
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Honestbit
on 17/05/2016, 12:29:37 UTC
Just because all of the previous ponzis have stopped paying, doesn't mean that they all will.

Think about how social security works, when you compare it to the definition, it's a ponzi too.

interesting your point of view

well, I think you know this guy ... WHAT do you think the question he asked?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1468761.0

I'm not sure what you mean here.

Also, you were asking for an example of a long-paying ponzi, well, Social Security is a great example.

Social Security is different from a Ponzi scheme

- No outsize returns are promised by Social Security.

- Participation in Social Security is not voluntary.

- Ponzi schemes are insolvent; Social Security is not insolvent.

- Funds received into Social Security are invested in government-backed securities at a certain interest rate, thus generating returns. In a Ponzi scheme, there are no investments made.

- Ponzi schemes work only until people get wind of what is going on, at which point they inevitably collapse. Social Security's finances are plainly visible for all to see. Modest adjustments in tax rates, benefit formulas and the retirement age can ensure the program's viability for generations to come.

- Ponzi schemes are a criminal enterprise; Social Security is not.



I think you should be the guy who made that post Grin

Boi, how does being mandatory make it any better? People chose whether or not to participate in my ponzi, and I encourage only those educated to do it. But, looking back at the definition of a ponzi:
A Ponzi is any scheme which pays interest to "Investors" from Bitcoin coming in from new Investors

other than the bitcoin part, social security indeed is a ponzi, just one that doesn't collapse.


They are completely different things, I did question to post this picture to view the difference.

Ponzi is illegal and insolvent

In terms of mathematics ponzi scheme does not have to survive for long.

The rules who are on your site not saved from collapse, what you would be doing is profit to cost naive investors

I know I'm taking your 5% profit + some coins lies to investors that the system has reset. Grin

Oh! It must be very hurt. I say 5% profit ... Grin

Ok. I am legitimately confused. I actually wanted to make a bitcoin doubler (for a profit to myself) that wasn't a scam. If I wanted to scam naive investors, I would not have told them that this was a ponzi system. I wanted to make sure all investors were educated in the system, as you can see in my post. I don't think it is insolvent because the investors know exactly when the resets are, also since I have been paying all payouts up to now.

If you read this article (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/is-social-security-a-ponzi-scheme/2011/08/25/gIQA2t0dcL_blog.html
), it says:
"What makes a Ponzi scheme a Ponzi scheme is that it’s a giant fraud. People think they’re investing in postal stamps. Their money is actually being invested in nothing. In Social Security, conversely, it’s perfectly clear what is going on. Every year, Social Security’s actuaries release an insanely detailed report on the system’s finances, its balance of payments, the potential problems it could face, and so on. You can read their report here. In a Ponzi scheme, the finances are a secret, and that’s central to the enterprise. In Social Security, they are, as a matter of law, public."

Honest bitcoin is not a fraud because the investors know that it is a ponzi. People don't think they are investing in anything with me. I make it clear to the users of Honest Bitcoin "what is going on". And all of the transactions are on the blockchain, so would be easy to accuse me if I moved money out of the system.

How can I make Honest Bitcoin not a "scam" in your eyes:
Is it educate people more on what a ponzi is?
Or take less that 5%?
Or what?
But don't tell me to scrap it.
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Re: ALL LINKS IN THIS SECTION SHOULD BE VIEWED AS SCAM SITES - A WARNING
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Honestbit
on 15/05/2016, 23:57:30 UTC
Just because all of the previous ponzis have stopped paying, doesn't mean that they all will.

Think about how social security works, when you compare it to the definition, it's a ponzi too.

interesting your point of view

well, I think you know this guy ... WHAT do you think the question he asked?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1468761.0

I'm not sure what you mean here.

Also, you were asking for an example of a long-paying ponzi, well, Social Security is a great example.

Social Security is different from a Ponzi scheme

- No outsize returns are promised by Social Security.

- Participation in Social Security is not voluntary.

- Ponzi schemes are insolvent; Social Security is not insolvent.

- Funds received into Social Security are invested in government-backed securities at a certain interest rate, thus generating returns. In a Ponzi scheme, there are no investments made.

- Ponzi schemes work only until people get wind of what is going on, at which point they inevitably collapse. Social Security's finances are plainly visible for all to see. Modest adjustments in tax rates, benefit formulas and the retirement age can ensure the program's viability for generations to come.

- Ponzi schemes are a criminal enterprise; Social Security is not.



I think you should be the guy who made that post Grin

Boi, how does being mandatory make it any better? People chose whether or not to participate in my ponzi, and I encourage only those educated to do it. But, looking back at the definition of a ponzi:
A Ponzi is any scheme which pays interest to "Investors" from Bitcoin coming in from new Investors

other than the bitcoin part, social security indeed is a ponzi, just one that doesn't collapse.
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Re: HONEST BITCOIN: DOUBLE YOUR BITCOINS. YES IT IS A PONZI.
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Honestbit
on 15/05/2016, 23:46:39 UTC
STILL PAYING?

Learn to make legit BTC and not off the theft from others!!!

ON THE LIST!!!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1339672.msg13665221#msg13665221


HELP PUSH THESE SO CALLED "GAMES"

OFF THE INTERNET

SUPPORT CRYPTO

DON'T DESTROY IT


Indeed, it is on the list. However, the list is run by a bunch of narcissists who feel like they have the right to accuse all ponzis of being scams. You can see from the blockchain that there have been no new deposits. But if there were any made, I would continue to pay out.
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Re: ALL LINKS IN THIS SECTION SHOULD BE VIEWED AS SCAM SITES - A WARNING
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Honestbit
on 14/05/2016, 15:27:40 UTC
Just because all of the previous ponzis have stopped paying, doesn't mean that they all will.

Think about how social security works, when you compare it to the definition, it's a ponzi too.

interesting your point of view

well, I think you know this guy ... WHAT do you think the question he asked?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1468761.0

I'm not sure what you mean here.

Also, you were asking for an example of a long-paying ponzi, well, Social Security is a great example.
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Re: ALL LINKS IN THIS SECTION SHOULD BE VIEWED AS SCAM SITES - A WARNING
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Honestbit
on 13/05/2016, 15:04:56 UTC
Just because all of the previous ponzis have stopped paying, doesn't mean that they all will.

Think about how social security works, when you compare it to the definition, it's a ponzi too.
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Re: HONEST BITCOIN: DOUBLE YOUR BITCOINS. YES IT IS A PONZI.
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Honestbit
on 11/05/2016, 12:56:10 UTC
This service is still up and running everybody!