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Re: Bitcoin or Gold
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Hutler85
on 28/08/2024, 20:35:48 UTC
⭐ Merited by JayJuanGee (1)
I think if you want to really invest your money, Bitcoin is better than gold, because I believe that it will give better profit in long term.
Unless you just want preserve your money and make it safe, gold is better because it is less volatile than Bitcoin.

Choose which one do you want the most.
Gold is not even close to better than bitcoin in regards to trying to be "safe", unless you already have gold exchanges around you and in your community.  If you are trying to learn about gold, you are probably going to be worse off in terms of trying to find where to buy and sell it.  And, also if you go in to gold, you are going to just continue to lose value, especially compared to bitcoin... maybe you might be able to hold value relative to the dollar, but that is even questionable since bitcoin is going to continue to eat gold's lunch in terms of value continuing to gravitate into bitcoin from gold, just as it has been doing for the past 15 years in really exponential ways.
Yes, what I meant was gold is relatively safer than Bitcoin in term of its value because the price is much more stable.

If you said so, does that mean that Bitcoin is better than gold in every aspect?

Well, you have to figure out your own calculations in terms of whether there is any value in having gold rather than bitcoin, so frequently I suggest that there is no need to have any gold, but if you either have gold and you are used to it or you have some kind of an attraction for gold, then perhaps limit your gold investment to no more than 5% the size of your bitcoin investment.

Of course, you can do what you want and come to whatever assessment that you like and there are potentially some areas in which gold is less bad as compared to bitcoin, but still in the whole scheme of things bitcoin is likely around 1,000x better than gold in terms of the various important and material monetary properties that include but are not limited to:
scarcity
transportability
costs of holding/transporting (needs for 3rd parties)
divisibility
durability
verifiability
store of value (ability to transport in time)

You can place your own values on each of these items or even suggest that stability (or lack of volatility) is an attribute, and that is up to you.  Surely bitcoin is in fairly early stages of adoption, including controversy over its value, so bitcoin is inevitably going to be volatile while it is continuing to find its price and likely to become less volatile as it increases in market cap.. perhaps when bitcoin is going through the 10x to 1,000x phase of surpassing gold's market cap it will be less volatile than it is now, yet if we already know that bitcoin is currently volatile for much time into the future, we can choose our position size in accordance with such known situation.

So if bitcoin is currently priced about 1/15th of gold in terms of market cap and it is most likely 1,000x more valuable than gold then it could take 50-200 years to get to such price settling amounts, and you can choose to make other kinds of assessments, and even if someone knows bitcoin is around 1,000x more valuable than gold, that still does not even mean that such persons have to go crazy for bitcoin, just make reasonable investments into it and even potentially hedging that the price of things sometimes take a while to work themselves out in the market, so there is no need to go apeshit crazy in buying bitcoin merely due to recognizing its superior value status as compared to gold (and as compared to most other assets, too). 

It is possible to keep feet in each world of value systems, and in various ways gold has been being largely demonetized for the last 100 years or more - just like silver has largely been demonetized, so if you are betting on gold (or silver) being remonetized, then those surely seem like much greater long shot bets as compared to whatever position that you might consider that bitcoin has compared to gold, even if you don't agree with or accept that bitcoin is 1,000x or more better than gold, you still might be able to appreciate some other variation in terms of that bitcoin is quite likely not 1/15th the value of gold (as it is currently priced), and yeah, you can conclude what ever you like in terms of the various numbers in regards to where we are at now, where we came from and/or where we are likely to go.   There is nothing wrong with differing in opinions in regards to these kinds of assessments, and hopefully each of us are attempting to establish and/or maintain position sizes that reflect our own assessments, financial abilities and psychology rather than following the assessments, financial abilities and psychology of someone else.

I guess you are a better person to describe what I had in mind, thank you for giving me some insight. As you can see I'm still a newbie and I was asking for genuine question of of curiosity.

Although, I agree that this kind of topic is highly subjective and argumentative when it comes how we value these to insruments of investments, what you said is really does make sense and add more to my own definition of value that I have in mind about Bitcoin.
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Re: Apakah GUBERRNUR DKI Jakarta akan dipimpin ANIES?
by
Hutler85
on 28/08/2024, 20:27:00 UTC
Mantan Gubernur DKI Jakarta yang pernah menjabat dari 2017 hingga 2022. Anies Baswedan dikenal karena berbagai program kebijakan dan inisiatif yang dilakukannya selama masa jabatannya. Sekarang sudah merapat ke PDI Perjuangan. Apakah Anies akan lolos dan terpilih atau menjadi calon tyerkuat?
PDIP 3 hari lalu sudah mengumumkan kalau partai mereka akan mengusung pasangan Pramono Anung-Rano Karno di pilgub Jakarta.

Jadi memang Anies nggak bakalan dicalonkan oleh PDI-P dari awal, padahal Anies sudah bertamu mengunjungi kantor pusat PDI-P.

Ada kemungkinan Anies bakalan gagal mencalonkan diri jadi cagub, tapi kita lihat aja nanti sampai last minute game nya gimana, bisa aja ada surprise tidak terduga.
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Re: Bitcoin or Gold
by
Hutler85
on 28/08/2024, 15:17:56 UTC
Guys I dont know what to do, should I invest in Gold or Bitcoin. Gold is more stable I know. But the bitcoin development is crazyy, imagine if you have bought it before 20 years... Grin
If bitcoin was able to make a lot of progress within 10 or 20 years, then how much more in the next possible years to come. Do not just do the computation, but make a final move. While bitcoin is a good and safe haven investment, bitcoin is more than that. You'll definitely become extremely rich if you know how to make advantage every opportunity that comes.
well, for the long term, I would also choose bitcoin, especially when my assets are quite large. After all, we can see the development of bitcoin from 10 years ago to now. The price development is truly extraordinary. Gold has also increased, but not as well as bitcoin.
However, if OP wants a safe investment, maybe gold is suitable for him. However, if he wants a slightly risky investment, then bitcoin is the choice.
also i would love to choose bitcoin but if i have large amount of fund, i didn’t invest full amount in bitcoin, i will invest some gold because it’s 100% safe assets,

Just because you have a lot of money, it does not become safer to invest into gold.  That is dumb.

Of  course, if a person is new to investing, he might need to choose only one asset to invest into inorder to not dilute his money.. so for example a person could start out by only investing into bitcoin and cash. and the cash is largely just to make sure he has enough for expenses  (assuming that his cashflow is also in cash), and then if he gets up to a  certain higher level of savings/investment such as more than 1 year of his expenses ONLY in bitcoin, then maybe he might choose (upon his discretion) to diversify into other assets, and gold does not need to be one of the assets in which he diversifies, so he could diversify into properties, equities (stocks), bonds, and commodities, as well as whatever level of cash/cash equivalents that he chooses to hold.

Gold does not need to be part of the package unless maybe there might be some desire to prepare for Armageddon, then maybe perhaps up to 5% of the bitcoin size might be optionally invested in gold in order to prepare for Armageddon-like scenarios.

and then i will invest in bitcoin it could be long term or short term,

Bitcoin should be long term and not short term.  Bitcoin is amongst the best if not the best of assets currently available, so it would be stupid to be trading it.

if in online security is a big issues, it’s not easy to protect online currencies, so without good security knowledge you can loss your money.

Of course, with bitcoin everyone should be attempting to learn how to secure their bitcoin rather than holding it with a third-party, yet if he is just learning and getting started, then he might hold with a third party while he is learning, but if he has a lot of value, then he should be trying to learn quickly in regards to how to secure his coins, whether it is with a hardware wallet like Trezor or some similar kind of other hardware wallet, such as cold card, passport or jade or there might be some others that are acceptable and open source.  https://thebitcoinhole.com/

I think if you want to really invest your money, Bitcoin is better than gold, because I believe that it will give better profit in long term.
Unless you just want preserve your money and make it safe, gold is better because it is less volatile than Bitcoin.

Choose which one do you want the most.

Gold is not even close to better than bitcoin in regards to trying to be "safe", unless you already have gold exchanges around you and in your community.  If you are trying to learn about gold, you are probably going to be worse off in terms of trying to find where to buy and sell it.  And, also if you go in to gold, you are going to just continue to lose value, especially compared to bitcoin... maybe you might be able to hold value relative to the dollar, but that is even questionable since bitcoin is going to continue to eat gold's lunch in terms of value continuing to gravitate into bitcoin from gold, just as it has been doing for the past 15 years in really exponential ways.
Yes, what I meant was gold is relatively safer than Bitcoin in term of its value because the price is much more stable.

If you said so, does that mean that Bitcoin is better than gold in every aspect?
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Re: Semakin Maraknya Penjualan kartu ATM dan Rekening Bank
by
Hutler85
on 28/08/2024, 15:10:41 UTC
Kalau untuk membeli, selain resiko yang disampaikan di awal topik, saya berpikir bagaimana jika rekening bank yang saya beli ini sudah dipakai untuk pinjaman atau transaksi mencurigakan?
Ane berpikir orang yang ada niat buat beli rekening orang bakal siap dengan risiko kaya gitu. Soalnya agak aneh juga kalau mereka ga pengen dapet rekening bermasalah tapi ga mau bikin rekening sendiri. Toh ujungnya yang bakal dicari sama bank kan nasabah atas nama rekening itu didaftarkan, kecuali mereka ngetrack transaksi dan mendatangi semua tempat satu" buat nyari yang make siapa. Kecuali kasusnya khusus kaya perlu rekening luar negeri tapi ga bisa bikin, dst. Tapi saran yang masuk akal sih, walau kemungkinan kalau rekening yang dijual bermasalah seller bakal takedown duluan kalau reputasi mereka di marketplace kaya ginian penting.  CMIIW.

Btw, topik ini udah cukup berumur. Kalau agan mau bahas kasus baru bisa bikin posting yang lebih detail daripada berujung necroposting.
Baik, sebelumnya saya tidak terlalu memperhatikan tanggal postingannya dan hanya melihat yang muncul di urutan atas di subforum ini. Saya juga baru tau ada istilah necroposting. Terimakasih sudah mengingatkan saya.
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Re: Apakah konflik di Palestina tidak dikatagorikan sebagai pelanggaran HAM berat,?
by
Hutler85
on 27/08/2024, 19:32:25 UTC
Dalam hal perdagangan pun ane lihat juga tidak efektif karena masih banyak masyarakat yang masih menggunakan barang dan produk mereka untuk dikonsumsi. KArena apa?, karena di dunia ini peredaran produk mereka ini sudah massive dan sudah ada di mana-mana, sehingga sudah menjadi kebutuhan pokok yang harus dipenuhi, misal kayak gadget saja, kan produk kayak apple dan google masih dipakai oleh hampir penduduk di seluruh dunia (di mana masih berafiliasi dengan sekutu israel, yaitu AS), jadi ya sulit, apa lagi produk makanan, dimana fast food2 kayak kfc, mcd dan sebagainya berada di pelosok-pelosok negeri (dimana setiap buka puasa ane lihat sangar ramai antri). jadi ya kalau untuk boikot-memboikot jadi sesuatu hil yang mustahal untuk diterapkan saat ini.

Beberap buln yang lalu sempat marak aksi boikot namun perlahan hal tersebut seperti terlupakan, saya melihat masyarakat Indonesia khususnya tidak begitu peduli untuk apa yang terjadi di Palestina dan juga Israel, beberapa masyarakat Indonesia hanya memberikan dukungan sekedarnya tanpa bisa melakukan banyak hal dan untuk hal baikot juga sulit u=di terapkan karena beberapa produk mereka seakan sudah menjadi bahan pokok.
Itu tidak salah juga menurut saya, karena ini permasalhan besar dan harusnya pemerintah langsung yang turun tangan untuk mematikan perekonomian perusahaan perusahaan yan berkaitan dengan zionis israel dan juga sekutunya, namun kembali lagi kalau negara kita adalah negara yang tidak memiliki power sehingga tidak berani melakukan demikian.
Masyarakat Indonesia itu setahu ane anget-anget tai ayam om, mereka itu di awal-awal saja akan antusias memboikot dan memblokir produk-produk kroni israel, tapi semakin kemari mereka malah melupakan, dan malah sekarang ini ane lihat makin ramai saja tuh tempat-tempat makan kayak kfc, mcd, dll. Ya mungkin saat ini masyarakat sudah tidak ambil peduli lagi terhadap kondisi rakyat palestina yang semakin parah keadaannya. Belum lagi pemikiran masyarakat indonesia melihat aksi boikot juga tidak terlalu berefek terhadap israel, toh walau diboikot mereka tetap dapat subsidi bantuan senjata dari negara lain dimana produk-produknya masih banyak kita konsumsi di indonesia.

Benar om, suka ikut-ikutan. Selama apa yang rame pasti diikutin.

Dimana-mana bicara tentang boikot-boikot, tapi pas lagi rame aja. Kesannya rasa kemanusiannya muncul karena emang lagi ngetrend aja. FOMO dalam semuaa hal. Kocak emang, gampang dialihkan sama yang lain. Nanti pas muncul berita tentang penyerangan Israel dimana-mana, baru bakalan muncul lagi #boikot.
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Re: Scammers targeting coinmarketcap users at large rate
by
Hutler85
on 27/08/2024, 19:25:32 UTC
It seems like scammers would always find away to harm people. But, I'm surprise that this happened to a trusted app like Coinmarketcap? how would coinmarketcap would let this slide just like that? it is a big platform which already around for a long time. they should update their app security immediately.

Even without knowing much about this seeing this on the profile has shown that it is a scam and we all need to be careful, since the day the dog was announced that it would be listed, many scammers have raised to look for a way to scam those who work for the airdrop, Don't be surprised by seeing a trusted app like coinmarketcap, many apps are trusted but scammers always find a way to use the app to scammed people and again all app is not to be trusted, if you don't believe the app or doubting something about it is better you ask or don't use the app.

During the claim, many people are looking for a trusted app that they are going to use in the exchange of their dog coin so that they will have a good price when the exchange starts, although it is not bad to look for a good exchange but we should be careful with some app because many scammers are ready whenever they see that many people are going to earn from airdrop.
It is still dangerous that people might not notice their profile. I have to admit that I didn't notice it until you mentioned that  there is something unusual on those scammers fake account.

I usually check it back on the official Twitter/Telegram/Discord, if nobody talks about it on those group/channel, then it doesn't exist, that's how I know that it was a scam.
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Re: Semakin Maraknya Penjualan kartu ATM dan Rekening Bank
by
Hutler85
on 26/08/2024, 18:42:21 UTC
Kalau di tempat saya praktik semacam ini terindikasi ada kaitannya dengan jaringan judi online diluar negeri, ada beberapa orang yang menampung buku tabungan dan kartu atm seharga beberapa ratus ribu, dan sudah menjadi rahasia umum dikemanakan rekening bank yang dia beli.
Intinya jangan sekali-kali jual apapun yang menggunakan data pribadi.

Kalau untuk membeli, selain resiko yang disampaikan di awal topik, saya berpikir bagaimana jika rekening bank yang saya beli ini sudah dipakai untuk pinjaman atau transaksi mencurigakan?
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Re: Bitcoin or Gold
by
Hutler85
on 26/08/2024, 10:28:03 UTC
There are quite a number of reason why I would pick Bitcoin
One is it's not easy to convert Gold to cash in my country and even if you can it would be way lower than the market price.
It's been existing for a very long time so has gotten quite far in its growth and acceptability
While Bitcoin is relatively young and still growing
I'd prefer a started Rocket than a car already in transit.
Mind you not disputing the advantage of holding Gold,  but Bitcoin is almost always better at everything Gold can do especially in the long run.

I think if you want to really invest your money, Bitcoin is better than gold, because I believe that it will give better profit in long term.
Unless you just want preserve your money and make it safe, gold is better because it is less volatile than Bitcoin.

Choose which one do you want the most.
Volatility doesn't equal safety.
Luna wasn't volatile, it was even a Stable coin but we all know what happened.
The safety Gold provide is the trust people has for it against inflation and this ain't fully constant.
There has always been situations where Gold has fallen  due to various reason.
If it was so safe and trusted investors wouldn't even consider many investment an option.

Gold rises because inflation increases the price of everything except Fiat.
In a nutshell Fiat falls in relation to other assets due to inflation.

Sorry to ask for this. Isn't there no coin that can be compared to bitcoin?

Therefore projects like Luna have different cases and fundamentals than Bitcoin, and usually mot people only compare Bitcoin to gold because of the digital gold narrative that is always attached to Bitcoin. I think that's the reason why OP created this topic.
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Re: Bitcoin or Gold
by
Hutler85
on 25/08/2024, 18:59:10 UTC
I think if you want to really invest your money, Bitcoin is better than gold, because I believe that it will give better profit in long term.
Unless you just want preserve your money and make it safe, gold is better because it is less volatile than Bitcoin.

Choose which one do you want the most.
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Re: Kecerdasan Pemerintah Korea || KPOP
by
Hutler85
on 25/08/2024, 14:56:57 UTC
Kenapa jadi pada bahas makanan sih?
Karena itu mungkin hal yang paling gampang / dasar untuk ditiru negara kita buat ngikutin korea selatan.
Nggak apple to apple ngebandingan budaya Kpop yang bagian Entertainment dengan makanan, benar-benar dua aspek yang berbeda. Kalau mau ngebandingin tuh sama musik asli Indonesia macam Dangdut, keroncong, dll.

Lagipula makanan Indonesia juga tetap kalah terkenalnya ddibandingkan Korea. Resotoran Korean BBQ sudah menjamur dimana2. Jangankan dibandingkan dengan negara Korea, makanan Indonesia masih kalah terkenalnay dibandingkan makanan Thailand
Betul gan, rasanya seperti mimpi doang kalau mau ngalahin industri Kpop dengan makanan. Jelas tidak sebanding, karena mereka didukung oleh perusaaah besar yang pastinya memiliki banyak investor. Sedangkan Indonesia masih rebutan klaim budaya dan makanan daerah dengan Malaysia, sedangkan kita udah kecolongan beberapa kali dengan negara jiran itu, pas diklaim kita sendiri yang marah-marah, padahal sebelumnya tidak pernah ada upaya dari kita sendiri dan pemerintah untuk mencoba memperkenalkannya ke mancanegara.
Iya benar, mungkin yang terbaik sekarang cuma bisa mencegah gimana budaya Indonesia nggak kalah saing dnegan budyaa luar di dalam negeri sendiri. Makanya perlu edukasi sejak tingkat sekolah dasar, misal diajarkan mata pelajaran tambahan Pendidikan Panacsasila dan Cinta NKRI, harusnya diajarkan tentang budaya Indonesia dengan cara yang menyenangkan, bukan macam dengar ceramah militer. itu contoh tindakan pencegahan yang mendasar aja.

Soalnya saya liat pun anak muda sekarang sampai ngehayal nikah sama idol KPop, itu bukti begitu berhasilnya Korea dalam menguasai dunia hiburan.
Malah kalau menyukai kebudayaan dan musik lokal dianggap nggak gaul dan sering dihina kampungan. Lama-kelamaan anak muda bisa benar-benar meninggalkan budaya lokal setiap daerah. Mungkin kita harus mengubah mindsetdan cap negatif yang terhadap kesukaan orang terhadap budaya tersebut
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Re: Scammers targeting coinmarketcap users at large rate
by
Hutler85
on 24/08/2024, 19:31:50 UTC
It seems like scammers would always find away to harm people. But, I'm surprise that this happened to a trusted app like Coinmarketcap? how would coinmarketcap would let this slide just like that? it is a big platform which already around for a long time. they should update their app security immediately.
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Re: Kecerdasan Pemerintah Korea || KPOP
by
Hutler85
on 24/08/2024, 15:34:56 UTC
Kenapa jadi pada bahas makanan sih?
Karena itu mungkin hal yang paling gampang / dasar untuk ditiru negara kita buat ngikutin korea selatan.
Nggak apple to apple ngebandingan budaya Kpop yang bagian Entertainment dengan makanan, benar-benar dua aspek yang berbeda. Kalau mau ngebandingin tuh sama musik asli Indonesia macam Dangdut, keroncong, dll.

Lagipula makanan Indonesia juga tetap kalah terkenalnya ddibandingkan Korea. Resotoran Korean BBQ sudah menjamur dimana2. Jangankan dibandingkan dengan negara Korea, makanan Indonesia masih kalah terkenalnay dibandingkan makanan Thailand
Betul gan, rasanya seperti mimpi saja doang kalau mau ngalahin industri Kpop dengan makanan. Jelas tidak sebanding, karena mereka didukung oleh perusaaah besar yang pastinya memiliki banyak investor. Sedangkan Indonesia masih rebutan klaim budaya dan makanan daerah dengan Malaysia, sedangkan kita udah kecolongan beberapa kali dengan negara jiran itu, pas diklaim kita sendiri yang marah-marah, padahal sebelumnya tidak pernah ada upaya dari kita sendiri dan pemerintah untuk mencoba memperkenalkannya ke mancanegara.