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Quote from: 0xLITECOIN
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Yes and every one knew what a 0x was a week after they way the do now, so rushed to mine 0x. Its far more open to more actors coming in now than a week then. So Relatively orders of magnitude more fair.
Whether everyone found out about it early or not is irrelevant. The important distinction is that 0xBTC dev mined alongside with others, rather than keeping it to themselves for a period of time.That's your view, my view is that given the overall dissemination of information about 0x is vastly larger, there is more opportunity for people ready and understanding to join in, so it can attract a more broad based distribution. It's my view you can not arbitrarily discount the knowledge of use
It's not 'my view'. It's a fact.
Also, 'your view' has already been proven incorrect by the fact that NOBODY else joined in until AFTER you announced it here.
Quote from: 0xLITECOIN
I found that the domains 0xLTC.com
and 0xLTC.org had just been purchased
As you can see it was a few days before the launch....I at this point took the view someone else was about to launch and took the view that first to market was essential.
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Updated Date: 2018-04-30
Created Date: 2018-04-30
Registrar Expiration Date: 2019-04-30
Created Date: 2018-04-30
Registrar Expiration Date: 2019-04-30
and 0xLTC.org had just been purchased
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Domain Name: 0XLTC.ORG
Registry Domain ID: D402200000005971141-LROR
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.namecheap.com
Registrar URL: http://www.namecheap.com
Updated Date: 2018-04-30T11:45:50Z
Creation Date: 2018-04-30T11:45:49Z
Registry Domain ID: D402200000005971141-LROR
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.namecheap.com
Registrar URL: http://www.namecheap.com
Updated Date: 2018-04-30T11:45:50Z
Creation Date: 2018-04-30T11:45:49Z
As you can see it was a few days before the launch....I at this point took the view someone else was about to launch and took the view that first to market was essential.
Thank you. This gives great insight into your motives.
Quote from: 0xLITECOIN
This made me less easy relying purely on the test net, rather than a live test given that i am proposing to launch a coin that I feel could be valued in the 100 of millions or more, it would be reasonable to run a live test in all circumstances.
This doesn't answer the question. Why do you feel that a 'proven to work contract' requires such extensive testing? What exactly were you testing for when you simply copied a 'proven to work contract' which has been in use for several months and just changed 2 values?
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Quote from: 0xLITECOIN
A premine would be an allocation, before any public mining started.
An allocation or any mining which takes place PRIOR to a coin been announced, or any mineable coin launched without sufficient advance notice and with a low difficulty.Basically if it gives the developers (and their friends) an advantage, it's considered a premine.
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Quote from: 0xLITECOIN
Your actual complaint is you did not know about it being mined. It was publicly mined and any actor that bothered to search for it could have.
My complaint is that nobody aside from you knew about it. You kept it to yourself and mined in peace before deciding to tell the rest of us about it.I will deal with these together as they are sufficiently close.
This is your definition.
It's not 'my definition'. It's the widely accepted definition.
Quote from: 0xLITECOIN
You or anyone could put a script in to watch new token at any time being launched, and mine them.
That you or others choose not to do this is a matter for you. Eg poll if(query.api.blockscanner() NE (0x***) where (0x***) is in existing database then send alert to self.
you could even start an automine script if you wanted to, and narrow your search to 0x*L* or 0xB** etc, it's really up to you how much you want to spend in eth and time.
You complaint remains if you were prepared to put in the effort.
It seems rather you want to be told.
That you or others choose not to do this is a matter for you. Eg poll if(query.api.blockscanner() NE (0x***) where (0x***) is in existing database then send alert to self.
you could even start an automine script if you wanted to, and narrow your search to 0x*L* or 0xB** etc, it's really up to you how much you want to spend in eth and time.
You complaint remains if you were prepared to put in the effort.
It seems rather you want to be told.
No. I just want want you to be honest. Premine all you want, but don't lie about it and come here trying to argue that it didn't take place.
Quote from: 0xLITECOIN
Now sure there may be a market effect of not disseminating information in a particular form, eg via ANN but that is a decision by the launcher. Your complaining about that effect. So if you or someone else can find a coin where they could get on earlier, all power to them, each person can assess their own risks, effort and reward.
No. I'm complaining about you lying about the premine.
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Quote from: 0xLITECOIN
Further practically speaking right now 0xLTC can be mined for the same gwei as in day 1 and the difficulty is negligible. So whats your practical complaint in practice anyone can go in now and mine at the same cost, but with no effort to set up.
Here's what it looked like when only you were mining.https://i.imgur.com/omGdaO1.png
Here's what it looks like after you announced it and others started mining.
https://i.imgur.com/5g8QCWA.png
See all those failed transactions now that people are competing over gas price instead of being able to mine in peace like you were?
Are you seriously trying to tell us that premining didn't provide you with an unfair advantage?
Your cherry picking, see the fails from early mining and you fail to note the gwei was higher in many cases that now, why do you omit a full analysis.
You also fail to note you can mine cheaper right now if you wish at 7 gwei with at a similar competition rate
It would help your position if you were prepared to make a full argument, and people can mine right now for less.
https://pasteboard.co/HoVf5Yt.png
https://pasteboard.co/HoVfiee.png
https://pasteboard.co/HoVfudT.png
0xc8f0bb25f0ab0f2d6571def9aee23eb3221afdc7
5 failed transactions during premine. 103 successful ones.
0x84376756277c3c0dee9c57a4cb2d1d1b7bae2f0b
21 failed transactions during premine. 556 successful ones.
0xc8f0bb25f0ab0f2d6571def9aee23eb3221afdc7
From all the random samples I looked at the gas fees were either 7 or 10 gwei during the premine.
Does that 'help my position'? Does it provide a full enough argument for you?
I'm quite happy to do a full breakdown of every wallet, but do you really want the people to see that?
Quote from: 0xLITECOIN
Quote from: JohanDi
Quote from: 0xLITECOIN
Your terminology is misconstrued, your thesis falls, you complaint is you did not know, not that it could not be known. Your complaint is about a particular advertising schedule, not wether something was publicly mined and or discoverable.
I've made my point quite clearly. If you still can't see what the issue is... well... maybe you're just refusing to.No! I want you to stop lying about the premine.
Quote from: 0xLITECOIN
Quote from: JohanDi
Quote from: 0xLITECOIN
0x(whatever) will be done by someone, your could manual just type in to https://ethplorer.io/ search bar 0x...(whatever) any time you wish to to see what comes up.
And if any of those get premined you can be damn sure I'll be here to call them out on it.Quote from: 0xLITECOIN
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Quote from: 0xLITECOIN
Your newness is open to suggest a bias.
Yes, everything you disagree with must be FUD right?It's common in this arena to anon launch coins.
Not that I have to do this but no. I am not new. I have been around here for quite some time. So there is a false assumption by you. It's this type of approach that undermines what could other wise be better arguments from you.
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By your own logic I could claim that your newness is open to suggest that you have no experience coding smart contracts. Let's leave the deflecting to the politicians shall we?
Whatever experience i do or don't have is irrelevant. The facts are the contract is live.You have even missed the point here.
You seem to take issue with 0.0357143% of supply being (~30000/84000000). Yes thats not fair, go and find any thing anywhere with that kind of distribution.
No! My issue is with you lying and continuing to claim that there was no premine. I've stated this several times now. Why is that so difficult for you to comprehend?
Yes and every one knew what a 0x was a week after they way the do now, so rushed to mine 0x. Its far more open to more actors coming in now than a week then. So Relatively orders of magnitude more fair.
Whether everyone found out about it early or not is irrelevant. The important distinction is that 0xBTC dev mined alongside with others, rather than keeping it to themselves for a period of time.Trusting a test net for everthing vs live. Never.
While there certainly are exceptions, this is not one of them.You simply copied and pasted a proven to work contract and changed a few parameters, out of which only 2 affect the functionality. (_totalSupply and targetEthBlocksPerDiffPeriod)
I'd be interested to hear why you think something so simple demands such extensive testing.
Line 195:
contract _0xLitecoinToken is ERC20Interface, Owned {
contract _0xBitcoinToken is ERC20Interface, Owned {
Line 264:
function _0xBitcoinToken() public onlyOwner{
function _0xLitecoinToken() public onlyOwner{
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symbol = "0xBTC";
symbol = "0xLTC";
Line 270:
name = "0xBitcoin Token";
name = "0xLitecoin Token";
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_totalSupply = 21000000 * 10**uint(decimals);
_totalSupply = 84000000 * 10**uint(decimals);
Line 396:
uint targetEthBlocksPerDiffPeriod = epochsMined * 60; //should be 60 times slower than ethereum
uint targetEthBlocksPerDiffPeriod = epochsMined * 15; //should be 15 times slower than ethereum
A premine would be an allocation, before any public mining started.
An allocation or any mining which takes place PRIOR to a coin been announced, or any mineable coin launched without sufficient advance notice and with a low difficulty.Basically if it gives the developers (and their friends) an advantage, it's considered a premine.
Your actual complaint is you did not know about it being mined. It was publicly mined and any actor that bothered to search for it could have.
My complaint is that nobody aside from you knew about it. You kept it to yourself and mined in peace before deciding to tell the rest of us about it.Further practically speaking right now 0xLTC can be mined for the same gwei as in day 1 and the difficulty is negligible. So whats your practical complaint in practice anyone can go in now and mine at the same cost, but with no effort to set up.
Here's what it looked like when only you were mining.https://i.imgur.com/omGdaO1.png
Here's what it looks like after you announced it and others started mining.
https://i.imgur.com/5g8QCWA.png
See all those failed transactions now that people are competing over gas price instead of being able to mine in peace like you were?
Are you seriously trying to tell us that premining didn't provide you with an unfair advantage?
Your terminology is misconstrued, your thesis falls, you complaint is you did not know, not that it could not be known. Your complaint is about a particular advertising schedule, not wether something was publicly mined and or discoverable.
I've made my point quite clearly. If you still can't see what the issue is... well... maybe you're just refusing to.0x(whatever) will be done by someone, your could manual just type in to https://ethplorer.io/ search bar 0x...(whatever) any time you wish to to see what comes up.
And if any of those get premined you can be damn sure I'll be here to call them out on it.Your newness is open to suggest a bias.
Yes, everything you disagree with must be FUD right?By your own logic I could claim that your newness is open to suggest that you have no experience coding smart contracts. Let's leave the deflecting to the politicians shall we?
I however welcome your scruitiny
And I'm happy to provide it.
What is your comparator?
~50K on an early 0xbtc address = 4x on 0xLTC.
https://ethplorer.io/address/0x69c86b520b5388da58de26d7359691f8b977eb24
~50K on an early 0xbtc address = 4x on 0xLTC.
https://ethplorer.io/address/0x69c86b520b5388da58de26d7359691f8b977eb24
Early being the key word there. Mining started more than a week after the coin was announced.
Also going to test for a short time at least just in case there is some sort of error.....should probably test for longer tbh.
There are Ethereum testnets for that.
You seem to be equating fair with free.
No. I'm calling you a liar because your GitHub page falsely claims that there was no premine. A fair person wouldn't be dishonest about it.
https://i.imgur.com/MtB8JqD.png
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/fair
free from bias, dishonesty, or injustice
Further the knowledge and understanding of 0x is much more disseminated than when 0xBTC was launched so more likely to attract a broad base or actors.
It's interesting your a new account here, may suggest your from the competition that does not like something fair by some margin most other things out there. Divide your claims by 84000000, and express then as a percentage. It's a rounding error at best.
It's interesting your a new account here, may suggest your from the competition that does not like something fair by some margin most other things out there. Divide your claims by 84000000, and express then as a percentage. It's a rounding error at best.
I've provided undeniable evidence that a premine did actually take place. Nobody needs to take my word for it, they can verify this themselves. Isn't this technology beautiful?
Attacking me based on the age of my account isn't going to change the truth. For the record, my account is several weeks older than yours, which seems to have only been registered today.
Liar!
2 two addresses mined a combined 659 blocks in 21 hours prior to it been announced.
0x84376756277c3c0dee9c57a4cb2d1d1b7bae2f0b
556 blocks / 27,800 tokens
0xc8f0bb25f0ab0f2d6571def9aee23eb3221afdc7
103 blocks / 5,150 tokens
The ETH for this address was funded from 0x3750ecf5e0536d04dd3858173ab571a0dcbdf7e0 which also just happens to be the contract creation address.
2 two addresses mined a combined 659 blocks in 21 hours prior to it been announced.
0x84376756277c3c0dee9c57a4cb2d1d1b7bae2f0b
556 blocks / 27,800 tokens
0xc8f0bb25f0ab0f2d6571def9aee23eb3221afdc7
103 blocks / 5,150 tokens
The ETH for this address was funded from 0x3750ecf5e0536d04dd3858173ab571a0dcbdf7e0 which also just happens to be the contract creation address.
Re: [ANN][NO-ICO] 0xCATE - PROOF OF WORK ERC20 TOKEN - Refund your gas with CATES !
Been mining for a few days now with 2 machines.
I had ~1.5M tokens on one account and ~0.8M on the other, but now that the pool website/software was updated I've lost both my balances
Update: All sorted out. Thanks SirMoistVonLipwig!
I had ~1.5M tokens on one account and ~0.8M on the other, but now that the pool website/software was updated I've lost both my balances
Update: All sorted out. Thanks SirMoistVonLipwig!