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Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network
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LiskEnterprise
on 26/02/2018, 04:06:46 UTC
Will Bittrex also remove all erc-20 tokens that do not have their own active platform?

Or just Omni Layer token holders on the BTC chain?
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Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network
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LiskEnterprise
on 25/02/2018, 20:42:47 UTC
Supernet has already BarterDEX.

Get Omni to get all their tokens onto BarterDEX then it helps Tether Maid and Agoras..
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Re: [ANN] [ICO] HoloToken (HOT): Holo The Distributed Hosting Platform
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LiskEnterprise
on 21/02/2018, 03:42:01 UTC
SO is it correct that if you raise $25 million dollars in ETH..

Then the team produces 33% more HOT coins for the team..


So the team gets all 25 million plus 33% of all HOT tokens?

is that not 133% of all value going to the team?

Why also do an ETH Token?

That just shows your not ready.

Way better to go onto Komodo or Skycoin..
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Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network
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LiskEnterprise
on 30/01/2018, 17:59:47 UTC

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Can both theories and teams work on the one chain?

No they can't!

So the gap is far to great to bridge for the two teams to work on the same chain. However the investors are that bridge since their investment is still funding the efforts of both teams  as it should be.

 but then as a shareholder in both products which will benefit fro both success while is insured against a failure of one firm. Best deal ever for the investor, worst deal for the developer.


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let is compete and indeed merge and fork and whatever.

I think both teams want to find truth and work ability and usability..

Lets not infight. But go back to the roots of exploration.

Can this work out?

That is what I try to do, and it should workout even if the disagreement continue.

Unlike Tezos and Cardano Tauchain and Autonomic are developed by the original thinkers and developers who came up with the concept to begin with. So they dont need hundreds of developers  and other team member to make up for the the luck of clarity in their goal, they can pretty much do it through their own work.


Will both dev teams verify that.

That regardless of technical and other views they are working through to create two competing products all under the same investors umbrella?

Lets not end up like Core and Cash.

I do believe both side elucidate that this was not either of their idea and so i wonder who was the original thinker??

SO financially will it work out that Tau records the AGR holders and at release point an airdrop will occur from the automic team?

Is this what you have in mind? Or what is the funding process here?

It would be awesome if the two teams had over-management and released the chain and it forked on block 2 after genesis. So perhaps there can be some technical UI UX combined dev work while the logic and processes then slit in the fork.

Dao
Tau

chains...



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Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network
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LiskEnterprise
on 28/01/2018, 15:29:14 UTC
This project is really exciting... Feels like the next step of humanity really. Enabling semantic web and secure what is true and not. But it will be dwarfed  by other tech in the short term.

From what I've seen, no tech comes even close

If you mean in terms of hype or marketing, that's probably true in the short term. But as soon as Ohad completes the discussions platform things will definitely change.

What tech are they talking about?

Has a proto type been released?

Or these bots are just pushing hype?

Buzz words are not an actuality but a trick.
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Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network
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LiskEnterprise
on 28/01/2018, 15:26:30 UTC
- u guys have any funding?

We are an open, voluntary collaboration.  We do not generally seek funding or offer any vestment vehicle, as we find it antithetical to the aims of the project.  (You are of course welcome and encouraged to support the project in other ways, including funding individual developers directly at your discretion - we just don't promise any sort of monetary ROI from the project on such.)




This brunch (of the tauchian split) s now supported by the Agoras tokens as well.

The main developers of the original Tauchain Ohad and HMC have always been fully engaged with the project, however that engagement resulted in harsh disagreements which led to the split. The other two developers of the original tauchian, Koo and stoopkid  guided by HMC are now working on the autonomic branch drafting the milestones and estimated timeline.  

Haha it seems both of the original team want to end up like Tesla.

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Dead before they have an operating product.

Ego is a weapon easily triggered...

Great minds also have the weakest..

too introverted into them self.

If they do not get their shit together and reform the tech will come out later, i will look for it..
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Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network
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LiskEnterprise
on 28/01/2018, 15:14:25 UTC


are we in a cult of personality?

Notice the largest governance ICO to date was Tezos... What a disaster/

Can both theories and teams work on the one chain?

let is compete and indeed merge and fork and whatever.

I think both teams want to find truth and work ability and usability..

Lets not infight. But go back to the roots of exploration.

Can this work out?

8. Following that same line of reasoning I have decided to invest  my share of Agoras ( a share granted to me as having some key influences in the beginning and which was fully given to me by Ohad a while back) to help speed the development attempted by the Autonomic team. This move for lack of trust was perceived by Ohad as a betrayal . However I have constructed it (according to HMC suggestion) as a payment program that follow a milestones outline. In fact at that point I act as the treasurer of the Autonomic project.


Can HMC bury the hatchet?

The older gentleman?

Iam imagine if the team was back together. Diversity in opinion again being encouraged and relished..

Unity within disunity.

Or another tezos from trying to tackle governance..

or correct me if i am wrong and both these dicks are fighting over money??


Why doesn’t the autonomic project do an ico to raise money to fund their project?

One of the biggest problem of cryptocurrency is the lack of understanding of value , how it is created and how it is linked to a coin.
This problem carry on to the markets which does not reflect a rational value  since is using charts belonging to the fiat based stock-market and is mostly effected by traders who are used to that economy rules (but I will not address  the market issu on this reply)

On this reply I will address the issue of the Agoras token value and how the "Autonomic" branch of the project should increase that value, I will do that by mapping the evolution of the token:

1. 42,000,000 Coins where created by Ohad who is one of the two founders of the original Tauchain project.

2. These coins were issued to fund and eventually activate a platform named Zennet https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=736447.0 which Ohad started on his own and which was planned to enable decentralized contracts (for computing power at first) payed for by the token. The token sale started then and some initial investors already got in.

3.  HMC met Ohad around that time and both decided to  develop together the Tauchain which gives rise to the notion of the network being self-defining Sort of a "piece of code that download itself from github and execute it, again and again, while the code might be changed and do additional operations in the meanwhile. A Tau client downloads its own code from the root chain: it downloads a block, executes the code in it, and this code instructs how to download and run the next block. By that, the client understands the blockchain according to the network rules that were relevant at that point of time when the block was created. http://www.idni.org/blog/projectroadmap .

4. Ohad then decided that the original Zennet development would also move on to Tauchain and would be developed on the Tau rootchain as an app. For the investors that ment a delay in the actual execution of the token activated app, but for the price of developing  a much more advance autonomous ecosystem . On the way the investors gained the participation of a developer, some argue is at the top of his game.  His name on the bitcointalk forum is HunterMinerCrafter, which is how Ohad knew him and still is the only identity he goes by.    The tokens, now  named Agoras, moved on to the Tauchain projects and the sell continued under that new and more fundamental paradigm of a blockchain. While the root of that chain was never design to use or implement a token, Ohad affirmed his investors by committing to develop the Agoras activated app on the tauchian right after genesis of the Tauchain.

5. Once Tauchain was introduced by the two founders, Ohad and HMC, the new investors took on to the premise of that revolutionary self-defining network concept and invested in Agoras based on that.  

6. A dispute regarding the logic by which the underline language should be designed  resulted in a split leaving Ohad to lead the Tauchain development based on a new design while HMC with two other developers moved on to created Autonomic and continue executing the original design of the "old" Tauchain. They did not take any of the funds with them and did not commit to implement any app once genesis is achieved. iI terms of the investors half of the Tauchain effort that they invested in was no more funded by their investment.
 
7. Being involved in the project from the beginning ,( perceiving it as a crucial point to allow for a decentralized governing technology to be formed), I pleaded HMC and his team to ask for their share of the funds in order to support their branch of the development to create the rootchain on which the Agoras activated app would then be built. That request was also founded on Ohad's initial commitment to build the Agoras activated app on a chain that would prove to work. However this did not go well  since by that time the trust between the different developers reached an all time low.

8. Following that same line of reasoning I have decided to invest  my share of Agoras ( a share granted to me as having some key influences in the beginning and which was fully given to me by Ohad a while back) to help speed the development attempted by the Autonomic team. This move for lack of trust was perceived by Ohad as a betrayal . However I have constructed it (according to HMC suggestion) as a payment program that follow a milestones outline. In fact at that point I act as the treasurer of the Autonomic project.

9. To make sure that the Autonomic project will keep the vested interest of the Agoras Token holders  I have restricted all payment to be delivered in Agoras tokens as well as keeping all funds in Agoras token. This funding structure acts as insurance against a malicious damp while clearly incentive the Autonomic crew to work on behalf of the increased value to the Agoras tokens.

10. For the Angoras investors this move double the chance for return on their investment. Let me describe that in more details:
     A.  Assuming both chains would end up working out and on each a different Agoras based app would work then this would be like splitting the supply of the coins between two
          application. ( I hope that the math is clear to all Wink ) .
     B.  On the other hand since assuming a failure to construct a rootchain is an option , the chances for such failure, having two active teams working on two different approaches
          to this yet unresolved problem, just been reduced to half (I hope that this math is also clear to all Tongue).
     C.  I have great respect both for Ohad and HMC, I know both to be at the top of this game and to devote themselves for what they believe is the right way to achieve the same
          goal. However since both are yet to prove which is design is right. (maybe both would end up being complementary to each other) We as the investors are now put back in
          the position of gaining from the work of both teams despite the split and the distrust created along that fault line.





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Re: [ANN] | PARAGON | Revolutionizing the Cannabis Industry |
by
LiskEnterprise
on 14/01/2018, 07:58:35 UTC


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Where are the two major promises?


1/ Listing on Bittrex?

2/ Token moving to IOTA?



Fulfill your promises...


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Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network
by
LiskEnterprise
on 12/12/2017, 18:44:59 UTC
Omniwallet works well I heard.


This is better, a safe place to store coins like maid and lets include ARGS.

Can everyone please click the link and do a request - it is very simple...

https://www.coinpayments.net/coinreq

Lets get ARGS added to coinpayments.net/
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Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network
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LiskEnterprise
on 14/09/2017, 23:04:16 UTC
This forum is dead and the price is dead...

There maybe a correlation.

Becasue you moved to #IRC there is no productive conversations here.

BTC talk is the first place new crypto people go to study a new platform and they see nothing happening here.
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Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network
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LiskEnterprise
on 13/09/2017, 22:34:02 UTC
I am a layman. Can someone tell me what application this token will have in the real world? Is the project dead? I do not understand what all this means.

This interview will provide you with a better understanding of Tau and Agoras:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFmaX-oumNw&

The project is anything else but dead. Wink





These all need to be redone with a new vision and a historic discussion on what has happened over the last 2 years.

Whitepaper and wiki and Q and A page...

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Re: [ANN][KMD][dPoW] Komodo - Zcash Zero Knowledge Privacy Secured by Bitcoin
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LiskEnterprise
on 13/09/2017, 22:30:00 UTC
Komodo announces 5 major developements underway:
  • decentralized ICOs
    monaize
    atomic swaps
    bitcoin tumbler
    scalability solution

Additionally, the Komodo Platform announced a new release for their multi-coin wallet Agama is around the corner.

More info: https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/09/13/blockchain-platform-komodo-introduces-decentralized-icos-major-developments-underway/

This is a lot of good news and progress..

When ALTS sentiment changes KMD will be well above the past ATH.
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Re: [ANN] | PARAGON | Revolutionizing the Cannabis Industry |
by
LiskEnterprise
on 20/08/2017, 18:12:07 UTC
I'm reading the White Paper and I like what I'm reading:
- Collaboration with IOTA, this one is my favorite! I really like IOTA, they build a very solid platform! Love it
- ICO is just long enough, really hope you get the investors.
- Love that the CEO is a woman and a previous miss Cheesy, miss Iowa, nice!

Will digg meself more in this project.
Great work team

ur right
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Re: [ANN] | PARAGON | Revolutionizing the Cannabis Industry |
by
LiskEnterprise
on 20/08/2017, 18:06:37 UTC
I am exceptionally impressed with the growth in this sector creating intersectional associations where a multitude of interests and values start to join hands in the cryptosphere.

I have found a number of projects in the past that were nowhere near this fully realized and I am thankful I passed on them until the point I found PARAGON.

I'll be preparing for the ICO, and I can't wait to finally be a part of a project like this.

me to ---

it is easy to find hemp coin.

high token.

but this is another level.

IOTA and Paragon...

But i do have a question on the income generation.

How do you make money ?

the i expect the coin price to increase.

But so far it looks great.

Model, Rapper, Weeed, IOTA..

Ps..

How do you make money ?

can u describe your revenue model.

Ok you will rental room space you will sell t shirts.

Can you sell week in Tokens?

week = weed

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Re: [ANN] | PARAGON | Revolutionizing the Cannabis Industry |
by
LiskEnterprise
on 20/08/2017, 18:02:17 UTC
https://auntzeldas.org/ check it out.

It is like Rick Simpson.. Canada

For the modern age...

They are open for hemp thc to help the world.

Already on many markets eg ASX Austrlaina Stock Exchange,

IOTA Paragon Zelda...

Blows my mind..

Lets cure so many disease of the body

and ease the minds of millions.

Economic ease also..

https://auntzeldas.org/
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Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network
by
LiskEnterprise
on 20/08/2017, 16:53:11 UTC
Ok thanks for the answer.

You are saying it works like an aggregate of confusion and then can uniformly make sense of it all.

Thant is cool...

This is economically sweet, but still based on Tau being correct..

"Agoras is an ambitious project built on the tau platform and will serve as the central economy under this new paradigm. It is composed of 3 key aspects: a knowledge market, a computational resource economy and an advanced derivatives market. It's not just another token. Under the Tau framework, a fully automated economy may come into being."

Also can you define derivatives haha so i can determine if it is a good thing..

Please if you can cover the things you say are not quite true? from above?
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Re: [ANN] HEAT: 3.0 crypto*multisig fiat*a2a hft*1000tps*DSA*PoS+PoP*e2ee chat*
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LiskEnterprise
on 20/08/2017, 15:36:15 UTC
Most people in crypto will see the above comments without some real complaint..

They now want the price lower. FUD,


They want to buy lower...
So do i..
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Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network
by
LiskEnterprise
on 20/08/2017, 10:48:14 UTC
If i understand this project correctly and the split of the old team and the pivot to a strict direction...

Ohad is writing a programming language.

It seems like it is a self judging self altering thus AI type idea.

It will be able to view complicated inputs and state if the criteria about the inputs is true.

It will also have distribution and consensus written directly into the language, so it is based on distribution decentralization.

But to write a new computer programming language takes decades... But short cut if you are basing it on a current language and tweaking idea.

This is Tau, nothing really to do with Agoras.

Agoras will just be another data type, that we will view as money for exchange of use of Tau.

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Can i ask people to take a shot to describe this project. See if we have consensus in basic understanding.

Ohad can then class us after we have a few people attempt a definition for Tau project.

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Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network
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LiskEnterprise
on 18/08/2017, 03:03:23 UTC
Can the Dev contact.

https://www.coinpayments.net

They are a great storage 2 factor wallet for many coins and tokens.

They accept MaidSafe already and so will have no problem with Agoras.

It is safer in a wallet we can lock much better than on exchanges.


have you tried to use original omni wallet for your agoras? the same was recommended from the beginning.

The advantage for https://www.coinpayments.net

Is it is one wallet for many coins, So Maidsafe, Vox, ETC, and maybe 80 other coins.

If Agoras was listed there it is safe as you can lock your coins and i will not need another wallet and another password etc.
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Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network
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LiskEnterprise
on 17/08/2017, 03:15:54 UTC
Can the Dev contact.

https://www.coinpayments.net

They are a great storage 2 factor wallet for many coins and tokens.

They accept MaidSafe already and so will have no problem with Agoras.

It is safer in a wallet we can lock much better than on exchanges.