I wanted to follow up on this.

So...

I've talked to people that support Imed and they want a refund & freedom to reinvest.
I've talked to the people that support Ton and they want a refund & freedom to reinvest.
And naturally there are the people that want out completely.

This is so much so that it appears (I'm getting information second hand) Ton is actively working on a mechanism to help the escrows perform the refunds.

I have yet to meet a vested person that wants to be forced into an unpredictable direction on this... including both of the founders.

So my question would be: Why are we voting?

Wouldn't a vote only add some unpredictable risk to everyone? e.g. a person with a large holding forces everyone to support one founder who subsequently backs out of their "refund but continue" narrative.

What's worse is there were murmurs of airdropping new tokens to people who show their support in the vote. I haven't heard as much about it anymore... but this casts a shadow of doubt over the legitimacy of deciding this with a vote. If people are voting one way or the other out of a fear of missing out on airdropped tokens it amounts to voter manipulation. Further... it also casts some concern into the mind of voters of if their investment addresses will be singled out in the future should either co-founder be privy to which address voted for what.

It looks like even coinpayments (post on NVO reddit by Ton) has backed the idea that the only right course of action is a refund of remaining escrow.

And if all paths/parties agree on the correctness of a refund I'm unclear as to why we're bothering with a vote. It would seem to me that this would only cause unnecessary risk, confusion, and voter doubt (i.e. the risks associated with voting that I mentioned above). If there were disputes over whether refunds should happen or not I could see some sort of consensus mechanism being needed (e.g. voting) but that doesn't appear to be the case here.

Excuses are plentiful, delivery is minimal,

What else do you expect from this "team"?

Ton has no skill for CEO, agreed. Nvo will fail because of incompetent and scammy devs that can't write 2 lines of code, not only because of him. They are both in these scheme, so the responsibility would be equal.

Hah the pumping clowns appeared suddenly to defend themselves. The thing that the 4 of you did is called market manipulation. The volumes are so low that even one person can pump the price.  TSWR has admitted multiple times he is responsible for the price pump!

 Yesterday you complained in slack that team is not communicating with you ( the insider), here is the proof:

https://i.imgur.com/KyijWZK.png

TSWR lying as well   ---->> https://i.imgur.com/UJYDzAX.png

So get your facts straight . Now you have lost all credibility in the eyes of the people. You are clearly lying and no one should trust you anymore.
 

No dude, it was pure pump and dump performed by TSWR (  a regular investor, not a team member) from his reddit post. It was pure speculation from him and several members who hyped the price artificially. There is no particular reason for the price to grow. No any development updates, no news from the team, nothing. The team doesn't communicate at all and it's been silent for a while. Yet there are people who fall for it.

It's on the entire group of people who don't source their information by joining and paying attention to 50 different discords per day.

Surely it makes sense to create a blog in some way to make the news and updates searchable publicly, right?

Decentralised Exchanges will soon become the cornerstone of cryptocurrencies.
Or else, price suppression, market manipulation, government oversight, and corruption are guaranteed.

How to buy NVO:
Get XCP on an exchange first ;
Bittrex, Poloniex or Tux Exchange
XCP runs on a Bitcoin address;
1) create a Couterparty wallet,
2) send a little BTC to the address (just enough for the transaction fees)
3) send your XCP to the same address
4) trade your XCP to NVST.

The the initial value of nvo hasn't increased much, maybe slightly. This is due to the fact that TSWR pumped the coin by compiling the update. In fact the things he mentioned aren't anything new actually, he just made it look a like a big thing/update so people started panic buying.

Would you mind stop mentioning me and talking bs behind my back? Instead of answering to those who investigate the project, you keep this absurd behavior, this community is so degraded. I have exposed the project on many levels with the  only desire to protect further people to fall for this scam. You can check the other project made by the same people - xenio - they gathered 500 btc and didn't even finished the ico, just shut down the site.  I was one of the biggest supporters of nvo and participated since day one but i must admit that fall for their promises and traps, learned my lesson. For those who are wondering what is the truth, be cautious, think critically, do your own research ( there is a lot info on this thread as well as articles exposing the team members) and don't believe the hardcore supporters who shit on me here and defend the project like crazy (they are insiders and  payed by nvo). I parted my way with this community so mind your own business and have some dignity for gosh sake.

I don't know why do you refer to me as cool4y this is really odd. Apparently you are going personal with this guy and you see him everywhere which is hilarious. So far what I can see from  the nvo fanatic supporters is bizarre accusations and babbling without any real answers to the real question that i raised as well as the solid arguments that i presented about this project and team members and the whole community. This is the most hostile, shadiest and contaminated community I've ever witnessed. Cheers

There are barely 200 people in Telegram, only one person is who not even part of the team (TSWR) but a regular investors provides "assistance" and pretend to be a big deal. Admins don't communicate at all. They stated to have 15k community and i just laughed hard and told them to look at the facts -197  members (the telegram channel is official btw) and all the active 3 people in this channel got triggered and started insulting and calling me names, afterwards they banned me. What a great community, delusional freaks.

That's what i'm talking about, you and no one from the team can't answer those valid question that i raised and because of that you start talking about irrelevant things. Thanks for affirming my opinion!

Once again, you avoid the real and legit questions: ETA for fixing the bugs? - None. ETA for wallet improvements? -None. ETA for listing on normal exchange? - No. How many people work for NVO and who are they? - Nobody knows. Improved communication, PR guy, marketing? - NO. When Dex? Even devs said they don't know and can't provide deadlines. You wonder why? Because they messed up dozen times when deadline was set. Every investor has the right to get an updated roadmap rather than the typical "soon" right? This is could take forever, as i said they are amateurs.

1. An exchange is on the way. You are just pissed because they didn't cave into the temper tantrums you threw in the slack on a daily basis.  

- Bla bla general stuff, ETA?

3. They are updating their website as they complete roadmap milestone. They have released the wallet as promised. They are currently fixing bugs. The community is extremely active but forgive people for wanting to spend holidays with their family and not listening to you throw your daily hissy fit.

- Really, release a wallet? It's buggy af  and not functioning properly, many people complained that they can't withdraw funds they need. Anyone can deliver crappy product.


5. Your timeline for the DEX is completely false and has no substantive information to back the claim up. They have a team of developers, it isn't just the three of them and you knew that because you asked Ton Bi for their names.
Really where is the roadmap stating that?
6. The project is succeeding, not failing

-  Successful project evolve in terms of communities and price, nvo is on free fall.

7. You have claimed to have sold/bought back a majority of your stake at least 6-7 times now. Even the most naive person can smell your manure from miles away.

- Bullshit, do you have any proof?


Last and arguably most important as it shows that you have zero credibility...

You were banned from slack because you suffer from split personality disorder and changed your name to something so racist that would make the KKK proud. One day you would be in slack cheering on the team. You loved the wallet. You were giving them so many kudos. Then two days later trashing them again. Then commending them again. Even your most ardent defenders in the slack were fed up with your BS.

- Again BS and nonsense, defending nvo by going personal and attacking people does not help a bit. I have arguments which you can't debunk, this is nvo trait to bring people down who actually think and question everything, you can't provide any real reasoning and proof.

This project is a complete joke. For gosh sake, they have over 70 million dollars, and can't put up some money listing nvst in exchange. The fees in counterparty are 50$ and the volume is 0.2 BTC, for a project of this magnitude with 15 million coins this is complete fail. The devs are frugal amateurs that can't manage a project and do not  business acumen. This is the worst investment in 2017, every shitcoin performed better and pumped x5-10 ( all in top 100 did) while nvo is x4 less then ico price! I feel sorry for those who hold their useless nvst and lose money and opportunities.

They lack roadmap, no deadlines of any kind, only false promises 0 communication, careless behavior. The community is dead only 10 people are active in slack, this project is 7 months old and the community is more dead than ever, it didn't expanded by one bit. "We are ahead of schedule". They are so slow and didn't hire team to improve development, don't have PR, no marketing as promised.

Bare in mind they can't fix the bugs in the wallet, atm it's not usable and you can't withdraw. Their progress is extremely slow. They need to fix all the bugs, which will take a lot of time, then do all the improvements on the wallet they planned afterwards they need to do the temporary exchange and finaly the dex. With such rates, DEX will be delivered in 2019-2020 IF THEY MANAGE TO DO IT ALL. Honestly, they are very incompetent and don't have the skills to bring a basic wallet, the dex is innovation that nobody made so far and it will be x100 times harder to do. You can't build project like that with 3 people and be stingy spending money that WE GAVE YOU.

I'm from the project since day one, but they are real disappointment and complete failure. A lot of people left already. I'm glad that i sold majority of my stake. The sooner you get rid of the tokens, the better. Hope i helped people who have mixed feelings about this project, at the end it's your decision.

Developers should pay the 400k rate to HitBTC to list the token, the fees and fluidity of Counterparty are not favorable. The team must now own almost 80kk dollars, 400k is nothing.

The wallet download (beta of beta) was to be released here at ANN. Not all investors are in Slack.

Binance or Coinexchange or even Cryptopia would be better than HitBTC.

I sold my tokens over 2 months ago and lost zero funds. I was here to warn the rest of you and anyone else that read the thread. Are you all that freaking dumb that you are going to believe a new round of screenshots and videos? That it's only available to slack and certain loyal holders? Get the fuck outta here with that BS. If anyone continues to put money into this scam then they deserve to lose it all at this point. This is a poorly run scam and they are doing this on Xenio as well. There has also been other projects that i listed for anyone that cares to read the forums. When a project receives over 30 million dollars this is not how things are run, thru chat forums and secret video and picture sessions you morons. Crypto is all about open source and they have zero work on github after 7 months - https://github.com/nvoproject/NVO-Project  . They will post screenshots of a github from one of their other projects which was also a scam. They will come on here and say its so they don't have their work stolen which is total BULLSHIT. Crypto is trustless not secretive. A DEX with no code and no wallet and no work after 7 months.

Once again - the developers and the mods of this chat with their army of shills and fake accounts can all go to hell. I hope each one of you one day get what's coming to you. Just FYI - the counterparty team is on to you all and will be taking appropriate action soon to warn others as well.

Any news about a Telegram channel yet? Really can't stand Slack, but would love to follow the project more closely.

Anyone know when the last 3% will get their tokens? I'm still waiting for mine. My address was held because it was feared it might be an exchange, but it was just multibit (so I have the private key). Messaged marto on slack months ago and he said they'll be transferred the next time theres a mass transfer. I've been keeping an eye on it but no tokens yet, and no replies to any further messages I just want to make sure I haven't been forgotten.