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I've been 3 times is not paid by that site. Bitvisitor began halting payments since June, I think. I just wait. 
yeah it was about june here too...nothing recieved yet since then and stoped visiting the site also...
How safe is using btcjam ? Should I use it ? Is it viable and losses low ? Hopefully there will be no loss or should I just stick with being a trader on localbitcoin ?
its like owlcatz wrote...invest wisely! count on some loss percentage but there still some good users. im doing quite good at kraken. but trading also has its risks. its maby a question of how dependent you want to be on people paying.
also its a question if you like the policy of btcjam....comments getting edited or cencored or delated. or how you like the support which is not the best in my opinion
It's astonishing that any lawyer would consider walking into court with nothing more than a computer-generated arbitration award bearing a /s/ before a printed name. Judges aren't stupid. Mr. Dhami's advice borders on malpractice.regardless of the fact if any lawyer would or not use this....in some cases the informations given to btcjam seam not to be checked or otherwise i dont understand why some lenders got away with giving obvious fake name and/or addresses.like noone is even checking it.
but what is ya'll opinion about the news at tthe dashbord of btcjam saying:
"Please note that all the digital signatures provided on the arbitration awards are valid and as legally enforceable as paper signatures. Below the full statement from Dhami Law, the company that issues the awards: "Pursuant to the Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act and Uniform Electronic Transactions Act, electronic or digital signatures are equally valid, and legally enforceable, as paper signatures. Electronic/digital signatures include images of signatures, the typed name of the signing party, electronic symbols intended to indicate the signature of the party, and encrypted keys, any of which establish the present intent to authenticate, adopt, and execute a record/document of the party.""
"Please note that all the digital signatures provided on the arbitration awards are valid and as legally enforceable as paper signatures. Below the full statement from Dhami Law, the company that issues the awards: "Pursuant to the Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act and Uniform Electronic Transactions Act, electronic or digital signatures are equally valid, and legally enforceable, as paper signatures. Electronic/digital signatures include images of signatures, the typed name of the signing party, electronic symbols intended to indicate the signature of the party, and encrypted keys, any of which establish the present intent to authenticate, adopt, and execute a record/document of the party.""
sry to get a little bit of topic/last post
actually i like the ideo of using crowdfunding to fund money to sue btcjam...ironical it is
anyway just again being cencored by btcjam made me write this post...
in one arbitration award the lenders known address is "27 butt street, its like who is checking this at all" but it got cencored by btcjam again into bott (i corrected the comment by saying it was a typo, this worked but the rest about who is checking this data giot delated...its just rediculous
actually i like the ideo of using crowdfunding to fund money to sue btcjam...ironical it is
anyway just again being cencored by btcjam made me write this post...
in one arbitration award the lenders known address is "27 butt street, its like who is checking this at all" but it got cencored by btcjam again into bott (i corrected the comment by saying it was a typo, this worked but the rest about who is checking this data giot delated...its just rediculous
Hello every one
i read all 13 pages of this topic and really i dont understand bitvisitor is scam or not?
at this time bitvisitor say pay 30 bitcoin.is it true?
btcclick is scam or not?
thank you
i read all 13 pages of this topic and really i dont understand bitvisitor is scam or not?
at this time bitvisitor say pay 30 bitcoin.is it true?
btcclick is scam or not?
thank you
it no scam..i get payment every day sometimes twice. i do only the high visits not the 0,88 ones
just mentioning here...bitvisitor is not bitvisits....bitvisits is scam!!!
bitvisitor is paying!
I see some people keep saying bitvisitors is scam, can you share your screenshoot of paying ?
i think that's can be use as proof for make bitvisitors is not scam.
a screenshot of what exactly...i dont wanna post screenshots of my wallet transactions here
Nice platform but have already tested and got good results by running campaign. But have doubt about Waiting list as If you bid higher price then only your ad can see at top listing otherwise your site or campaign will go in bottom. And this might no good for both User and Site owner.
thanks for your reply...im an user not a site owner/runner...i call it scam because they dont pay my claim since months and no reply from support after contacting them a dozen of times at least. so no need to be careful about my opinion.
may be good if you run a campaign but im just claiming faucets from time to time and want my bitcoins...i visited campaigns, viewed adds and earned satoshi. so as a site owner or how ever to call it you are happy but me as an user im not.
Hello every one
i read all 13 pages of this topic and really i dont understand bitvisitor is scam or not?
at this time bitvisitor say pay 30 bitcoin.is it true?
btcclick is scam or not?
thank you
i read all 13 pages of this topic and really i dont understand bitvisitor is scam or not?
at this time bitvisitor say pay 30 bitcoin.is it true?
btcclick is scam or not?
thank you
it no scam..i get payment every day sometimes twice. i do only the high visits not the 0,88 ones
just mentioning here...bitvisitor is not bitvisits....bitvisits is scam!!!
bitvisitor is paying!
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Whether our coins are 100% lost or not remains to be seen - the only way you lose for sure is to quit trying.
In any case our probability of recovery would increase if BTCjam provided us with AUTHENTICATED arbitration awards. This is also the VERY LEAST they could do considering how they've otherwise stacked the rules against us investors -
- Jam collects their fees up front when investors finance the loan, which means they have no actual alignment with investor interests if the loan is not repaid.
- Jam does not post statistics about the percentage of borrower defaults on their website, which is a huge risk disclosure omission for any prospective investor (https://btcjam.com/stats).
- Jam suddenly changed the rules by announcing they no longer will issue loans to American borrowers. This of course is causing a wave of defaults on existing American loans, since it removes incentive for these borrowers to repay if they no longer have a future on the platform. So far no help or compensation for investors who got screwed when BTCjam decided to pull the carpet out from under them.
- Jam suddenly dumped* net-arb.com as their independent arbitration provider, ostensibly "to protect members from spam". The new provider, Dhami Law Firm, has no functioning website, telephone, or e-mail, leaving investors no way to independently confirm the validity of Dhami Law Firm or the arbitration awards issued by them.
*Net-arb is still listed as Jams arbitration provider under bullet 5 of https://btcjam.com/terms-of-use - Jam is still not providing arbitration awards on defaulted loans for investors who bought notes.
- Jam even threatens investors against getting help with collecting delinquent loans!.. Quote"As a reminder, BTCjams Terms of Use prohibit your from posting, uploading, publishing, displaying, transmitting, sharing, storing or otherwise making or attempting to make publicly available any personally identifiable information of a borrower. Accordingly, the content of this arbitration award may not be shared via any blog, forum, medium or other communication of any kind."Basically anyone who sends or shares an arbitration award with other investors, a lawyer, or a collection service is in violation of Jams' terms of service(
Potential investors should stay away from BTCjam until they up their game (a lot!). Current investors need to light a fire under BTCjams a** and make them move on these problems.
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thank you for this list...i think its all sayd ....
i am planning to invest some of my btc amount in btc jam but after reading some comments it makes me realize to think more about this service what do you think is it a bad idea to invest in btc jam right now? because i have seen them partnering one of the trusted btc wallet in our country thats why i was encouraged to invest some amounts.
Just hodl your coins right now. The halvening is coming, and there is no telling what is going to happen, so you may lose more than you gain because the loans are based on btc price at time of lending, so whatever earnings you get or don't get are based on that set price at the time. bad idea, imo, not now anyhow. Plus, they selectively ignore customers with problems. Good luck.
I would also (and actually i do too) hold on to your bitcoins or also ether...its only speculations but after halving maby it takes 1-3 months but the price will rise....like sayd only speculation. Good luck to all and myself
Hello
when I click "Visit" , I see Balance is still Zero.any idea?
when I click "Visit" , I see Balance is still Zero.any idea?
can you explain a little more what is happening?
Just posted this comment on all my defaulted loans with awards from Dhami Law Firm -
Lawyer Kevin Palley (enforcemyarbitrationaward.com) and I tried several times to ask Dhami Law Firm to verify my arbitration awards are authentic, but no one at Dhami Law Firm responds to e-mails or phone calls. Also unable to download awards for any defaulted loans where I have notes, and BTCjam support ignores my emails about the problem. If you're as p*ssed as I am about getting ripped off and ignored, then WRITE to BTCjam and ask them to get Dhami Law to authenticate our otherwise unenforcable arbitration awards, which are NOT digitally signed by Dhami Law Firm!
It looks like Dhami Law Firm is just as dodgy as BTCjam!
Lawyer Kevin Palley (enforcemyarbitrationaward.com) and I tried several times to ask Dhami Law Firm to verify my arbitration awards are authentic, but no one at Dhami Law Firm responds to e-mails or phone calls. Also unable to download awards for any defaulted loans where I have notes, and BTCjam support ignores my emails about the problem. If you're as p*ssed as I am about getting ripped off and ignored, then WRITE to BTCjam and ask them to get Dhami Law to authenticate our otherwise unenforcable arbitration awards, which are NOT digitally signed by Dhami Law Firm!
It looks like Dhami Law Firm is just as dodgy as BTCjam!
FINALLY got a response from BTCjam Support about missing arbitration awards for loans with purchased notes -
JUL 08, 2016 | 06:37PM PDT
John replied:
Thank you for your feedback and for your email. The awards should be available after 90 days of the default. I forwarded your email to our team, which is working hard to make the awards available. Please remember to check on your Investments page! Thanks for being a member of the BTCjam community!
Best,
BTCjam Support Team
@TULKAS - You have to do better than that
The arbitration awards are still worthless for collecting debts if I can't prove they are authentic, since the borrower could just say I created them myself and they don't owe me anything.
You could easily eliminate this problem by requiring Dhami Law Firm to digitally sign the PDF files for all arbitration awards issued by them. It's not rocket science anymore - JUST DO IT.
I have not tried out kraken yet, been pretty satisfied on BTC Pop...still trying to get the rest of my coin out of Jam without too much of a loss!
about the dhami thing...YES they must do better then that but i see this coins as lost. maby i try to enforce but not worth to do so for 5 cents per loan..but anyway...i hate reading this standard answer from btcjam "they should be available after bla bla"...just no help or support at all. they just earn fees and silence members that try to connect with other members etc....
anyway.....
@btiandy
kraken is no lending site so the one i trust is me only...if i speculate on some profit from "investing" in ether or doa or other currencies then its in my control...well at least i dont have to hope for members to pay back, just hope for price changes that please my speculations.
if i make a wrong move i can only blame myself and try better next time. im not sure if i will register at pop anymore/at all. its just another site i have to trust (thinking of hashocean) and then people i have to trust. the chain is just too long even tho it is fun as a hobby.
and yes im also collection all payments moving them over to kraken and buy some ether at low price....HOPE it rises to 14 dollars or something like that and im happy
btcjam has the most incompetent support ever!!!
could go on and on with telling why but i stick to one example:
i ve invested into a loan....the loan wasnt funded in time. so usually ou get reimbursement for the listing and the coins back to your account. so far so good. ive waited for days because the listing status was "processing"....i wrote support and asked when i will get the coins back...they answered: "it takes up to 30 min for transactions to appear and at least 3 confirmations bla bla and i need to check blockchain for my transaction" i was like "did you even read my mail...?"
so i explained it word by word like to a child...ok they tell me i need to wait because of the processing. my question about when i can expect the coins wasnt answered. anyway...at day 5 or so i had the message on the btcjam dashboard that ive been reimbursed for a listing that wasnt funded...i thought great, getting my coins back from the listing. checked the listing and it wasnt in status of processing anymore. but no coins arrived on my account...i checked the tranaction list of btcjam and there just is NO return from this listing. this was on june 16th!!!!!
im still waitng for the coins!
so i wrote btcjam support that i have this message about the reimbursement but no coins.....you wont believe they told me:
"it takes up to 30 min for transactions to appear and at least 3 confirmations bla bla and i need to check blockchain for my transaction"
yes really after a week of mailing they just answered like they did in the first mail...like nothing ever happened and ive not already been in communication about this issue. i was mad. its not about much coins its about the principle.
so i explained AGAIN what my problem is and that the coins just dont arrive at my balance/account. and why am i supposed to wait for weeks and still nothing. well then i commented question this on a listing...it was delated of coarse. not allowed to say anything bad about btcjam even if its tru they jut silence it and act like alll is good.
well now im still waiting on the coins and at some point when the transactions in the btcjam list increase it prob wont be able to proove or tell that im missing coins. they just streach it out til i stop asking. thats my opinion. im collecting coins and getting out of btcjam...i can only tell everyone not to join btcjam...terrible site and support. just a rip off!!!
may be my opinion and yes btcjam has alot of great users too so thats what is positive but all together with the new policy changes its Bullcrap
could go on and on with telling why but i stick to one example:
i ve invested into a loan....the loan wasnt funded in time. so usually ou get reimbursement for the listing and the coins back to your account. so far so good. ive waited for days because the listing status was "processing"....i wrote support and asked when i will get the coins back...they answered: "it takes up to 30 min for transactions to appear and at least 3 confirmations bla bla and i need to check blockchain for my transaction" i was like "did you even read my mail...?"
so i explained it word by word like to a child...ok they tell me i need to wait because of the processing. my question about when i can expect the coins wasnt answered. anyway...at day 5 or so i had the message on the btcjam dashboard that ive been reimbursed for a listing that wasnt funded...i thought great, getting my coins back from the listing. checked the listing and it wasnt in status of processing anymore. but no coins arrived on my account...i checked the tranaction list of btcjam and there just is NO return from this listing. this was on june 16th!!!!!
im still waitng for the coins!
so i wrote btcjam support that i have this message about the reimbursement but no coins.....you wont believe they told me:
"it takes up to 30 min for transactions to appear and at least 3 confirmations bla bla and i need to check blockchain for my transaction"
yes really after a week of mailing they just answered like they did in the first mail...like nothing ever happened and ive not already been in communication about this issue. i was mad. its not about much coins its about the principle.
so i explained AGAIN what my problem is and that the coins just dont arrive at my balance/account. and why am i supposed to wait for weeks and still nothing. well then i commented question this on a listing...it was delated of coarse. not allowed to say anything bad about btcjam even if its tru they jut silence it and act like alll is good.
well now im still waiting on the coins and at some point when the transactions in the btcjam list increase it prob wont be able to proove or tell that im missing coins. they just streach it out til i stop asking. thats my opinion. im collecting coins and getting out of btcjam...i can only tell everyone not to join btcjam...terrible site and support. just a rip off!!!
may be my opinion and yes btcjam has alot of great users too so thats what is positive but all together with the new policy changes its Bullcrap
@PM...I am pretty sure BTCJam took off with a fair amount of my Note sales which were not credited but because I cannot decipher their accounting statement it is like talking to a wall each and every time I submitted a claim. Because the Note sale disappears from the accounting it becomes as if you never owned the Note after the sale...even though I still receive new comments on those Notes which shows at one point I must have had a stake! After getting no help at all I finally decided it was not worth it anymore, these guys are turning slowly from fraudsters into pure criminals.
yes i remember the problem...in some listing you commented about it. this is somehow exactly what im experiencing. "talking to a wall"
i may be still investing into 60days term loans now but im STILL collection all my payments and hope to leave btcjam very soon. rather making trades on kraken...
and yes they just wait untill you "finally decide its not worth it"...is a shame what they do!!!
btcjam has the most incompetent support ever!!!
could go on and on with telling why but i stick to one example:
i ve invested into a loan....the loan wasnt funded in time. so usually ou get reimbursement for the listing and the coins back to your account. so far so good. ive waited for days because the listing status was "processing"....i wrote support and asked when i will get the coins back...they answered: "it takes up to 30 min for transactions to appear and at least 3 confirmations bla bla and i need to check blockchain for my transaction" i was like "did you even read my mail...?"
so i explained it word by word like to a child...ok they tell me i need to wait because of the processing. my question about when i can expect the coins wasnt answered. anyway...at day 5 or so i had the message on the btcjam dashboard that ive been reimbursed for a listing that wasnt funded...i thought great, getting my coins back from the listing. checked the listing and it wasnt in status of processing anymore. but no coins arrived on my account...i checked the tranaction list of btcjam and there just is NO return from this listing. this was on june 16th!!!!!
im still waitng for the coins!
so i wrote btcjam support that i have this message about the reimbursement but no coins.....you wont believe they told me:
"it takes up to 30 min for transactions to appear and at least 3 confirmations bla bla and i need to check blockchain for my transaction"
yes really after a week of mailing they just answered like they did in the first mail...like nothing ever happened and ive not already been in communication about this issue. i was mad. its not about much coins its about the principle.
so i explained AGAIN what my problem is and that the coins just dont arrive at my balance/account. and why am i supposed to wait for weeks and still nothing. well then i commented question this on a listing...it was delated of coarse. not allowed to say anything bad about btcjam even if its tru they jut silence it and act like alll is good.
well now im still waiting on the coins and at some point when the transactions in the btcjam list increase it prob wont be able to proove or tell that im missing coins. they just streach it out til i stop asking. thats my opinion. im collecting coins and getting out of btcjam...i can only tell everyone not to join btcjam...terrible site and support. just a rip off!!!
may be my opinion and yes btcjam has alot of great users too so thats what is positive but all together with the new policy changes its Bullcrap
could go on and on with telling why but i stick to one example:
i ve invested into a loan....the loan wasnt funded in time. so usually ou get reimbursement for the listing and the coins back to your account. so far so good. ive waited for days because the listing status was "processing"....i wrote support and asked when i will get the coins back...they answered: "it takes up to 30 min for transactions to appear and at least 3 confirmations bla bla and i need to check blockchain for my transaction" i was like "did you even read my mail...?"
so i explained it word by word like to a child...ok they tell me i need to wait because of the processing. my question about when i can expect the coins wasnt answered. anyway...at day 5 or so i had the message on the btcjam dashboard that ive been reimbursed for a listing that wasnt funded...i thought great, getting my coins back from the listing. checked the listing and it wasnt in status of processing anymore. but no coins arrived on my account...i checked the tranaction list of btcjam and there just is NO return from this listing. this was on june 16th!!!!!
im still waitng for the coins!
so i wrote btcjam support that i have this message about the reimbursement but no coins.....you wont believe they told me:
"it takes up to 30 min for transactions to appear and at least 3 confirmations bla bla and i need to check blockchain for my transaction"
yes really after a week of mailing they just answered like they did in the first mail...like nothing ever happened and ive not already been in communication about this issue. i was mad. its not about much coins its about the principle.
so i explained AGAIN what my problem is and that the coins just dont arrive at my balance/account. and why am i supposed to wait for weeks and still nothing. well then i commented question this on a listing...it was delated of coarse. not allowed to say anything bad about btcjam even if its tru they jut silence it and act like alll is good.
well now im still waiting on the coins and at some point when the transactions in the btcjam list increase it prob wont be able to proove or tell that im missing coins. they just streach it out til i stop asking. thats my opinion. im collecting coins and getting out of btcjam...i can only tell everyone not to join btcjam...terrible site and support. just a rip off!!!
may be my opinion and yes btcjam has alot of great users too so thats what is positive but all together with the new policy changes its Bullcrap
btcjam has the most incompetent support ever!!!
could go on and on with telling why but i stick to one example:
i ve invested into a loan....the loan wasnt funded in time. so usually ou get reimbursement for the listing and the coins back to your account. so far so good. ive waited for days because the listing status was "processing"....i wrote support and asked when i will get the coins back...they answered: "it takes up to 30 min for transactions to appear and at least 3 confirmations bla bla and i need to check blockchain for my transaction" i was like "did you even read my mail...?"
so i explained it word by word like to a child...ok they tell me i need to wait because of the processing. my question about when i can expect the coins wasnt answered. anyway...at day 5 or so i had the message on the btcjam dashboard that ive been reimbursed for a listing that wasnt funded...i thought great, getting my coins back from the listing. checked the listing and it wasnt in status of processing anymore. but no coins arrived on my account...i checked the tranaction list of btcjam and there just is NO return from this listing. this was on june 16th!!!!!
im still waitng for the coins!
so i wrote btcjam support that i have this message about the reimbursement but no coins.....you wont believe they told me:
"it takes up to 30 min for transactions to appear and at least 3 confirmations bla bla and i need to check blockchain for my transaction"
yes really after a week of mailing they just answered like they did in the first mail...like nothing ever happened and ive not already been in communication about this issue. i was mad. its not about much coins its about the principle.
so i explained AGAIN what my problem is and that the coins just dont arrive at my balance/account. and why am i supposed to wait for weeks and still nothing. well then i commented question this on a listing...it was delated of coarse. not allowed to say anything bad about btcjam even if its tru they jut silence it and act like alll is good.
well now im still waiting on the coins and at some point when the transactions in the btcjam list increase it prob wont be able to proove or tell that im missing coins. they just streach it out til i stop asking. thats my opinion. im collecting coins and getting out of btcjam...i can only tell everyone not to join btcjam...terrible site and support. just a rip off!!!
may be my opinion and yes btcjam has alot of great users too so thats what is positive but all together with the new policy changes its Bullcrap
could go on and on with telling why but i stick to one example:
i ve invested into a loan....the loan wasnt funded in time. so usually ou get reimbursement for the listing and the coins back to your account. so far so good. ive waited for days because the listing status was "processing"....i wrote support and asked when i will get the coins back...they answered: "it takes up to 30 min for transactions to appear and at least 3 confirmations bla bla and i need to check blockchain for my transaction" i was like "did you even read my mail...?"
so i explained it word by word like to a child...ok they tell me i need to wait because of the processing. my question about when i can expect the coins wasnt answered. anyway...at day 5 or so i had the message on the btcjam dashboard that ive been reimbursed for a listing that wasnt funded...i thought great, getting my coins back from the listing. checked the listing and it wasnt in status of processing anymore. but no coins arrived on my account...i checked the tranaction list of btcjam and there just is NO return from this listing. this was on june 16th!!!!!
im still waitng for the coins!
so i wrote btcjam support that i have this message about the reimbursement but no coins.....you wont believe they told me:
"it takes up to 30 min for transactions to appear and at least 3 confirmations bla bla and i need to check blockchain for my transaction"
yes really after a week of mailing they just answered like they did in the first mail...like nothing ever happened and ive not already been in communication about this issue. i was mad. its not about much coins its about the principle.
so i explained AGAIN what my problem is and that the coins just dont arrive at my balance/account. and why am i supposed to wait for weeks and still nothing. well then i commented question this on a listing...it was delated of coarse. not allowed to say anything bad about btcjam even if its tru they jut silence it and act like alll is good.
well now im still waiting on the coins and at some point when the transactions in the btcjam list increase it prob wont be able to proove or tell that im missing coins. they just streach it out til i stop asking. thats my opinion. im collecting coins and getting out of btcjam...i can only tell everyone not to join btcjam...terrible site and support. just a rip off!!!
may be my opinion and yes btcjam has alot of great users too so thats what is positive but all together with the new policy changes its Bullcrap
a little update...the missing payments arrived after 7-8 days now. but no answer/reply from bitvisitor to my mails....
so as long it works it works...i wont use bitvisitor that much anymore but from time to time it seams ok...
so as long it works it works...i wont use bitvisitor that much anymore but from time to time it seams ok...