There is no other information necessary. They already made their decision. All of what you're saying now adds nothing. You won't be able to come to a resolution because you tried to scam them, and were not only caught breaking TOS, but you waged an all out smear campaign against them. Wheres the precedent for them giving donations to people who unfairly try to ruin their reputation by making up multiple websites, multiple user names, and accuse them of everything in the book?

Look in the mirror dude. They don't want to deal with you. No one wants to listen to you. No one would ever in their right mind support someone who has done the things you've done here. You have no standing to get paid. You're a raging lunatic who talks about how fragile you are one moment, then the next moment you are on your high horse demanding you get paid, then back to saying how the attacks are unfair against you and you cannot take it. No one is stupid enough to fall victim to your playing the victim act. Your words mean nothing. No one believes that Cloudbet should be contacting you, and fully believe that you should just go away and stop abusing them. You're dishonest and a scam artist, and no one supports that.

Get this through your head. It doesn't matter how many weeks or months go by. There is not going to be ANY resolution, because they DON'T OWE YOU ANYTHING. If anything, the damage you've attempted to do to them should have you on the BLACKLIST for each and every book. You give honest bettors a really bad name.

I'm AMAZED that you aren't banned from here for using this name and your Cloudbetscamsdotcom name to go back and forth attempting to extort Cloudbet, demanding that they pay you immediately, faking that the community was in an uproar. You were successful in tricking a few people into backing your flag, and they've all since withdrawn from it and for good reason. Go away.

https://ibb.co/R6z5Mb8

This psycho scammer is still at this game? For anyone who wants the truth, click this link and read the posts that follow. Read this entire thread from start to finish if you want an even clearer picture. Maybe the most dishonest psychotic unfair abusive scammer you will ever see ANYWHERE. Do not trust ANYTHING this guy says without verifying the details. NONE of it is ever true. Just read for 1 minute. He's the shadiest person you will ever find. Been waging a smear and misinformation campaign from day 1.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3622234-cloudbet-confiscated-15-000-due-providing-verification-documents-usa-citizen-p9.html#post29818073

Yes, you tried to scam them. Your account went negative and then you just so happened to change to a different currency. You also made up multiple names to extort them. They are done with you. You should be blacklisted everywhere. The case is CLOSED. You keep portraying things as something they aren't. Your words:

"I'm a losing desperate gambler trying to say anything to get my money back after breaking ToS"

You are dishonest and an abusive scam artist. All of the proof is in the threads in these posts.

"New facts"? from who? You? The filthy scammer who has smeared Cloudbet and should be blacklisted? The case is closed. No one cares about your "new facts". Not only aren't they facts, but they amount to nothing. What does make sense, is Cloudbet distancing themselves from you. If anything you made them look really good here, and are continuing to make them look good. Good for them for not listening to any of your bullying and attempting to defraud them in every way. You're a liar, a cheat, a dishonest scam artist and con man. You literally tried to steal from them, made up many accounts to defraud them, and are still at this game.

efxes/DoubleRedDragon is literally the most dishonest person ever. He has fabricated everything and simply doing everything he can to get paid.

His words:
"I'm a losing desperate gambler trying to say anything to get my money back after breaking ToS"

Read the thread for context. Look at this post and after to see how psychotic he is, and how desperate he is to try to control a narrative to get paid. He's sick and twisted. He has treated Cloudbet so unfairly. This guy should be BLACKLISTED from every book. No one should need to put up with someone like this. He attempts to steal from them, and then resorts to extreme extortion tactics. Read the entire thread for all details. It's scary.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3622234-cloudbet-confiscated-15-000-due-providing-verification-documents-usa-citizen-p9.html#post29818073

This psycho scammer is still at this game? For anyone who wants the truth, click this link and read the posts that follow. Read this entire thread from start to finish if you want an even clearer picture. Maybe the most dishonest psychotic unfair abusive scammer you will ever see ANYWHERE.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3622234-cloudbet-confiscated-15-000-due-providing-verification-documents-usa-citizen-p9.html#post29818073

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No, it's not okay. If you cannot answer very simple fair questions then I have nothing to offer you. You act like you don't know why I'm still continuing. Yet you won't be honest. I'm trying to deal with you on a human level to try to get you to come clean of the accusations you've made against me but you won't even do that. I have nothing left to offer you. It's all always a ruse with you to try to get paid.

Please answer these questions with question marks directly.

When you say you just want to move on with your life and this to come to an end, etc, what do you mean?

Because you can stop at any time, but you've continued to post.

Do you not recognize that you've continued to smear me since I first tried to help you and sniffed out the lies in your story?

Do you think its okay that you have knowingly made up stories about me and continued to smear me on many sites?

Do you admit that you completely fabricated that I own Cloudbet, as well as others? And that you were just merely making things up to discredit me in an effort to help your story?

I'm more than happy to see you try to get your money back in an honest way. But until you are very clear on what you've been dishonest about, if you continue to try to get paid while still having built a full stack of lies it's not gonna go over well.

Sounds great, just stop posting on the topic. Let's not see you quote this post somewhere else to say that I'm Cloudbet trying to silence you. I'm going to take your post here as an honest desire to end things. I don't want to be forced to have to continue to defend myself and Cloudbet over what you've done. This is the only time I will accept an offer to compromise and end things.

Understand this very clearly, and remember it, lest you come to try to discredit me in the future and act like you don't recognize it by now. I was an honest poster on a site (SBR). You came to ask for help from me, and the community at large. I spent time attempting to help you. I offered you advice. In turn, since you were in the middle of lying to get paid, you threw me under the bus. You attempted to discredit me, and smear me. You've done that all the way up to today. It hasn't stopped. You've done it across many sites. You've said things that are clearly not true, and lied continuously. You forced me to defend myself. I do not want to see you succeed in getting away with what you've done to me, or Cloudbet. That isn't what I view as being honest, or having any integrity at all.

You know all of these things to be 100% true and accurate.

Apology not accepted. I just had to spend the night defending against all of your lies and smears on SportsbookReview.

You will not stop attacking others. You were just on SBR accusing posters as being owners of Cloudbet:
For anyone just coming to the thread, Mike has been outed and CONFIRMED a part-owner of Cloudbet. Kona, Mike, RedApples, and a few others.

You are a disingenuous liar. Jumping from site to site after you are exposed on one, and then start with a misleading story on the other.

Proof is here:
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3622234-cloudbet-confiscated-15-000-due-providing-verification-documents-usa-citizen-p9.html

Yeah right. Just another lie. Amidst your scam attempt you were trying to throw anyone and everyone under the bus. You admitted to this. I was helping you on another site, and when it all went to flames over there, you posted about me here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg55347520#msg55347520

I came from the other site, and made an account, due to the nature of your lies and attempt to extort Cloudbet. It's kinda silly for you to insinuate that I 'made an account here for the sole purpose of harassing and bullying a user and victim', when you were tarnishing my name before I even got here. To portray yourself as a victim, and not Cloudbet or myself given what you've done is incredible.

The post above is a decent starting point for anyone to see what you were doing. You've been an unfair actor this entire time. You shouldn't be allowed on any site to further attempt to discredit people. Your accusations are all completely fabricated.

As posted earlier in this thread when previously attacked like you are doing now, which you might've realized if you weren't just coming here after not posting for 15 total months to white knight for efxes, I came to this site via efxes posting on a forum called SBR (sportsbookreview). He asked for help, and was quickly shown to be a dishonest actor. He asked for my help. I gave it to him. It flew in the face of his scam so immediately I was attacked by him. So I came here when I found out he was running the same charade here. Which you were one of the actors that were aiding him in said attack.

In regards to your unfairness towards Cloudbet, and my willingness to call a spade a spade. First off, you didn't cite any other issues. You avoided your previous post and my reponse to it.


I don't know Cloudbet from a hole in the wall. I can't deny that I've seen issues arise with Cloudbet from reading through this thread, that much is true. I can totally verify that the issues I have seen have by in large, if not all been worked out fairly by Cloudbet. I've seen many cases resolved, and I've seen a few unresolved such as this one, which seemed appropriate. Certainly in line with what is normal to see for any Sportsbook. Again I challenge you to stand behind your words and the direction you've now continued to take:


As for as your statement that because they are offering betting options for USA presidential elections that they must be baiting US citizens. Your intentions are clearly see through and unfair. How can you make the calculation and statement that because of that they are TARGETING Americans, and baiting them? For starters, wouldn't that mean that any site offering American sports are baiting Americans? I lived overseas for over half of the past year, and from someone who has traveled a lot it's very clear that the rest of the world is not only a lot better informed than us Americans, but they on average are paying a lot more attention to the elections than we are. On the same note, they are probably paying a lower degree of attention to our sports and more attention to their own local ones. Taking that personal analysis and opinion and putting it aside for a second, it's just a betting market. As stated, all sites should be offering such a huge betting market. & even going with your own logic, why not cater to Americans that aren't dishonest actors and living in Mexico or Canada or somewhere else that they've sought refuge to bet sports, play poker, etc? Your statement about baiting Americans by offering the election to bet on is flagrantly stupid and flies in the face of any logic.

None of this is surprising. Just read your posts. You literally rose up from the dead to support this scammer.

On that same note, I will be again reporting this thread due to you knowingly adding more inaccurate information about me personally. I am not Cloudbet. I am more than willing to verify that with the mods here as I've stated previously in this thread. I, unlike you, have been honest and forthright and have no reason to do anything but talk about clear and undeniable facts. You cannot stand to read them, but the fact of the matter is I'm a neutral unbiased 3rd party that you asked for help, & in doing so you proved to be a dishonest actor, and I in turn took it upon myself to make sure you didn't get away with your fraud.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg55351111#msg55351111

You are a liar and an extortionist. As clearly stated via the post above on Oct 10th, you came to SportsbookReview with your bogus story. I made the account here to help warn others as to what you were doing. This was during all of the various attacks you were making against Cloudbet, including making multiple account Cloudbetscamsdotcom, talking to yourself with the different accounts, propping up and defending all of the nonsense you were spewing.

Welcome back to the thread, dude. You didn't post since August of 2019 until this issue came up and have since white knighted for efxes since. Nice to see you continuing that pattern.

"We" are not looking at multiple issues here. efxes is the only one that is being discussed at the moment, and for the actual discussion taking place regarding his issue- its over. He lost all support as it was proven he was extorting Cloudbet. Also, the disingenuous nature of his posts is evident.

Thanks for welcoming me to the forum, as I pointed out all of what efxes did in attempting to smear and extort Cloudbet into paying his scam antics, and forced him into coming clean about what actually happened. Keep up doing the good work supporting the scammer, in this case efxes.

If you want to bring up cases where they are actively scamming players, by all means, I'm sure we are all ears and looking to listen. BTW, that is a challenge to you, to see if what you just wrote is actually just BS, or if you're just white knighting which you clearly are.

Welcome back to the thread, dude. You didn't post since August until this issue came up and have since white knighted for efxes since. Nice to see you continuing that pattern.

"We" are not looking at multiple issues here. efxes is the only one that is being discussed at the moment. Also, the disingenuous nature of his posts is evident.

Thanks for welcoming me to the forum, as I pointed out all of what efxes did in attempting to smear and extort Cloudbet into paying his scam antics, and forced him into coming clean about what actually happened. Keep up doing the good work supporting the scammer, in this case efxes.

First of all, no one is continuing to bring up anything. Just you being disingenuous and weird.

lol @ efxes taking what Cloudbet said completely out of context. They didn't say that you can have multiple accounts, circumvent their policies, send in false documents, and then they will work with you.

What they said is actually the complete opposite. If you are forthright with them and merely got caught playing from the USA the first time, and you were cooperative, then they will work things out with you. You did none of that. You cannot now after having not done it, and abused the situation, decide you now want to. Not that it matters anyways because you circumvented anyways. Certainly there are circumstances where a player is caught playing from the USA where things CANNOT be worked out. This is one of these cases.

Go away liar.

lol @ efxes taking what Cloudbet said completely out of context. They didn't say that you can have multiple accounts, circumvent their policies, send in false documents, and then they will work with you.

What they said is actually the complete opposite. If you are forthright with them and merely got caught playing from the USA the first time, then they will work things out with you. Certainly there are circumstances where a player is caught playing from the USA where things CANNOT be worked out. This is one of these cases.

Go away liar.

How is this guy not banned already for such a smear campaign? All of his demonstrations that go back pages now, trying to prove points that are absolutely unfair. No one can sort through all of his lies. Every post he makes he contradicts himself and openly baits, by posting in caps and bold what he thinks would make his case sound better. At first it was just blatant insane lies like I owned Cloudbet, that they defrauded him, he wanted to get paid NOW and demanded it.... now it's that he's willing to be open and honest, willing to cooperate; whatever his new catch phrase and demand is. None of these things have anything to do with anything.

I know this guy at this point isn't doing himself any favors and no one is going to take him seriously, but this kind of behaviour is abhorrent. No?

Exactly. Spamming the forum constantly trying to malign Cloudbet and make up a story non stop. I think this forum has had enough of this psychopathic liar. No? Just read through the posts.

Now his angle is that he is down lifetime so he should get paid? At first he had one account. Then he had many accounts. Then he didn't know if he had more than 1 account in the past. Now he's sure of exactly what he's down lifetime! He realizes this issue has NOTHING to do with whether or not he's up or down, but the fact he's many times over tried to manipulate the situation, and he knew in advance not to mess around.

If things were straightforward and you made a bet that needed to be honored, you'd get paid. But thats not what happened. You built a twisted web of lies and deceit and there's no way Cloudbet should or would trust you or deal with you, and it's not their job at this point to figure our what the truth or lie is. How could they figure it out anyway.

No one should have to listen to your nonsense anymore.

Appreciate all the support from the community- you guys have been extra special in helping with this.  Regardless of my location, the previous cases ruled on by Cloudbet could play precedent in updating the case with the facts and evidence provided.

You have no support. You have lied. You wasted all of our time. You smeared Cloudbet. You smeared me. You pissed in the face of everyone who was legitimately trying to help you, and only took support from people who were supporting your scam.

Now you have the audacity to play this weird role where you act like you have the communities support and that we've been extra special.

Go away fraud.