Question guys - I mined about 50k of these back when it was launched.  Does anything have to be done (exchange or something) since the algorithm changed?

Thanks in advance. I really just didn't want to wade through 60 pages...

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^This.  THIS.  Now the tap root is being exposed.  In all instances of compulsion and censorship there ends up being a 'deciding authority' that is by definition (and self evident)....singular.  This is to be avoided at all costs.  Some would counter with, "we'll just set up a board of people....".  When that happens accountability goes out the window....with those making the suggestion that it would be more fair and objective.  But they forget the role of every single persons philosophy and derived ethical system.  Now the problem exists on a much larger and exponentially harder to define scale.

Darkproton - I wasn't trying to back you into a corner.  I think you are very capable of articulating yourself.  I was attempting to get you to place, with some finality, just exactly where the moral obligation you mention is born and whom carries the bulk of the that burden.  Answering those questions should lead you somewhere.  

Darkproton,
Could you expound on the statement above?  I am curious as to your exact meaning.  The way you've worded it leaves me with the following question:  Exactly 'where' is the moral obligation placed?....if it's 'to' a society...and 'for' it's members.

FWIW - Society's with mixed philosophies will have mixed ethics...and therefore conflicts within questions of ethics.

Stealth,
Asserting a claim that a problem exists with existing code all the while standing erect in shit storm (Camo)...is not the same as asserting a claim that a major change in the developmental direction of the coin is what must be done.  One runs parallel with the purpose and intent of the developer's plan of action and the other, while not being exactly perpendicular, does not serve the same purpose.

Method and manner Tok...method and manner

Jesus Christ I HATE wading through this thread.....

This world that has somehow sprung to life, where demands to 'open source' the product of a single persons life, do this, do that, change it this way etc......it challenges my own sense of self in a way that instantly stimulates the profanity center in my brain and brings on the insta-rage.  I would love to see Evan pull a Steve Jobs on all your asses (in his early years), and walk outside his garage and tell every single one of you crying bitches to go fuck yourselves and then make it known that if you don't leave, the shotgun in his hand will start explaining things in a way that makes it self evident.   Stop crying for changes to something for which you HAVE NEVER HAD ANY INTELLECTUAL, OR ACTUAL FOR THAT MATTER, CONTRIBUTION.  You CHOSE to put your foot in the stirup and swing the other leg up over the saddle and mount the horse.  Get the fuck off if you don't like the horse.
  
For those that have a tendency to misread posts, I'm not suggesting Evan is the next Steve Jobs.

Your having bought some 'coins' does NOT grant you the right to demand changes through a consistent dose of blabber and whining.  Buyer fucking beware.  The first amendment (for those that live in the U.S.) may give you that right and the existence of this forum makes it possible, but why remain so unhappy and discontent in the process of it's excercise?  What's the point?  You can't claim it actually makes you feel better.  A proper understanding of psychology will tell you that you WON'T feel better!

The potentiality of Evan making the coin open source, or doing anything else that's been screamed about, IS NOT YET AN ACTUALITY BECAUSE THE SOLE CREATOR (EVAN) HAS NOT DECIDED TO 'MAKE IT SO'.  All your whining and screaming will not change the relationship between the potentiality and the actuality.

NO ONE HERE has the the right to make claims upon the work Evan has done. NO ONE!...and by extension you don't have the 'right' to make demands of future decisions he will or will not make.  He is not resonsible for any of you.  Grant him the already possessed (and seemingly unrecognized) right to serve his own self interest...and if you think your self interest does not align....GET THE FUCK OUT.  Make the proper claim on yourself and recognize that you alone chose to buy some 'coin'.  Own the outcome in a singlular way.

He could just as easily say 'fuck it' and close the project and walk away leaving your asses looking like a wet cat that's just been pulled out of a muddy swimming pool and NOT SINGLE ONE OF YOU COULD DO SHIT ABOUT IT.  If I was Evan I would seriously consider it, just to seriously fuck all you whiners.  A mans creation is soley his and as a result is HIS to do with as he pleases.  Money is not the only currency and in Evan's case the creation of this coin is a kind of currency...and I would spend that currency to fuck the shit out some of you.  Seeing you cry and die would be my payment.

FFS...either ride the horse and shut the fuckup...or dismount and find another horse.  Excercise the one faculty that differentiates you from all other living things on this planet...CHOICE.

Advice......

Stop setting yourself up for disappointment be expecting things that you have no control over.  First, identify whether or not your expectation is held within the realm of your own first hand control then act accordingly.  Emotions are derived from thoughts.  You cannot have them or experience them with a thought.  If you properly identify that you indeed have NO CONTROL over this next release it should logically make it easier for you 'live with it' and be patient.

Stop expecting anything other than giraffe shit to come out of the ass end of a giraffe.  This line is more about expectations than it is the giraffe (for those less cogent.)

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I read (catch up) this thread every other day or so.

I'd PAY for just one day where I didn't have to wade through 10 pages of bullshit to see one meaningful post by one of the dev's, Tante', Camo, Toknormal, and the likes of these people.  Sorry if I left your name out and you belong in that crowd.  If you do belong in that crowd then you already know I don't need to include you so that issue solves itself.

"Reason is not automatic.  Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it.  Ignore them."

When you look at these retarded posts and discover a false premise IGNORE THE POST!!!....you can't answer an improper question with a proper answer.

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Does testnet need more hash?  I saw the .bat file address information in this thread somewhere a while back.  If someone has that post bookmarked or flagged or 'boogered' somehow I'd appreciate you throwing it up for me.  Myself and buddy have several gpu's we would like to point at it.

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The Maternode system within Darkcoin will be self regulating.  It does not need intervention.  Spontaneous organization derived from self interest. When the Masternode count gets too high the symptom will be low profit. Consequently some will not run them.  Masternode count goes down, profit goes up...etc.

By all means please do what you say.  I don't have any internal need to 'win' (whatever that means in this case) an argument on a forum.  I don't consider you in that kind of light. But please don't develop a long term habit of being the champion of people that did not appoint you as such.  Don't worry about replying.  It's not necessary.

Tok when I hire someone to work for me I ask a specific question of each and every applicant.  I ask them, "how do you know you are a good listener?"  I am looking for two things. 1) do they have the ability to use intuition to more effectively communicate and 2) do they properly examine the premise of every statement and word that comes out of another persons mouth. This is good listening.  In my world definitions do not have the right to enter collective bargaining with words in an attempt to change their status or meaning.  Consequently I hear exactly what a person says even if they don't use their pie hole to say it or if their pie hole uses the wrong words. Since most of the time I can't depend on a person to state EXACTLY what they mean I have to be a good listener and examine their answers with intuition, all the while listening to the premise of what they are saying so that I may determine if the communication is effective etc etc etc.  I've read enough of your posts to know I don't have to carry that argument any further.

I was not attacking him personally.  I was attacking his premise.  The premise that the coin isn't doing what it should because someone isn't doing what they should be doing or that someone promised something that didn't go exactly as planned.  DEVELOPMENT STAGE!!!! Every single person in crypto should already have an understanding of what they are getting into...and I know shojayxt KNOWS.  His emotional reaction should drive him to think harder and longer.  Not just simply react emotionally.  I'm down too but I am comfortable with the choice I made and how I made it.  The risk is self evident, inherent, and mine.  Consequently blame has no place on this stage (in the absence of some criminal action.)

Fascinating. Would you understand if I told you MY rational self interest is the only fucking thing I actually give a damn about.  To be more clear, I don't give a damn about "A lot of people are losing money."  I'll say it again in a different way.  Burn every fucking safety warning, sticker, and sign on the planet.  Please, someone wiggle their nose and make all that shit disappear so that I no longer have to hear whining and excuses and witness first hand the consistent public "I'm not responsible" response to every fucking thing that happens.
I DIDN'T BUY THIS COIN BECAUSE OF WHAT SOMEONE ELSE SAID.....I bought this coin because of what I concluded myself.  I own myself.  Who owns you?

As far as the uncontrolled giggling that occurred (me)....I found a sizeable degree of humor in the little mans approach to Tok.  Not because of what I think of Tok, but more because the little man seems to think he's entitled to the information that comes from Tok's brain.  I couldn't help but laugh.  BTW it was a very pure kind of laughing, and choking on food and drink too.  I enjoyed it thoroughly.

R...O....F........L'n all over my floor right now.  I can't see straight!!!!!

Tok...stop being so generous.  Idle infers they worked at some point.

Don't worry...you will soon lose your way.  Politicians need victims just like liberals need them.  Take away victims and in a blinding instant you render them down to a paste that can be thrown away in any manner one wishes with zero protest.

Every once in a great while I read something that makes me pay attention.  In my age these moments are becoming far and few between.  If I may I'd like to add this to your comment regarding collective wisdom.  Your statement is powerful and I have found that sometimes you have to take it down a notch for the 'masses'.  Just as wisdom is not collective, neither is the chewing of your food.  I suppose someone could chew it for you but if you accept it then what are you?  The action of your hand when it uses a pen to write is not collective.  If someone were to stand next to you and tell you what to write, you have the CHOICE, which is a self evident property of the reasoning mind, to not write it, comply, or to simply not write at all.  If you exercise choice, there cannot exist a collective anything.  Period.

Easy with the use of that word democrat.  It doesn't mean what it used to mean.  Soon we'll be saying RIGHTS are derived from NEEDS (saying it for public consumption I mean)....and then my friends....then...we are all severely FUCKED.

For those of you with capable minds (AlexGR et al) that insist on the continuous fruitless argument with the less than capable here I have a quote I'd like you to read.....

"Reason is not automatic.  Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it....Leave them alone"

Please......stop lending the power of your brains to the less than respectable task of convincing those that do not possess the power of reason.  Your worth to the Darkcoin community does not contain any metric that deals with educating those that refuse to be educated.

My rig is currently rented out but when that is done at 11pm EST...I'll point 16.5 Mhash at testnet.

EDIT:  Does anyone know how much hash they had on the previous testnet?