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Yup. Bitcoin is not anonymous. Tor is not anonymous either. Are you saying you believe both tech to be anonymous?
What do you actually define as anonymous? But there's no point arguing over semantics and this isn't really relevant anyway. The point is if you don't want an account associated with your other(s) or real world identity then you can have one or several for whatever reasons.
This isn't semantics. Bitcoin is NOT anonymous. Neither Satoshi nor Gavin, or any of the other four core developers has claimed Bitcoin to be anonymous. Just last week an FBI agent testified during the Ross Ulbricht trial in court how he conclusively connected the Silk Road addresses to Ulbricht. A week earlier, a security researcher did the same thing using only publicly available data and published his findings on Forbes.
When you sign up to a forum, you ceased to be anonymous. I think this is why admins stopped anonymous posting on Bitcointalk. Your identity can remain private, but you are no longer anonymous.
My point is not moot at all. You just refusing to see the logic in it. With the barriers raised, significantly fewer people will use alts. Kiddie account sellers will no longer be able to farm 20-30 accounts without large investment, incredible discipline and huge amount of time to burn. When they screw up even once eventually, the account will be locked. I have seen this happen at another forum that was once filled with scammers.
No, your point is moot and there's no logic in it. Alt accounts are allowed and scammers are not banned, so you're trying to create rules and restrictions for something that is allowed. Why make it harder for me to have an alt account? Punish me just so it's a little more tedious for scammers to sign up? Again, when you make it harder for scammers you make it harder for the everyday user. Scammers will do whatever they can to get around the rules no matter how hard you make the restrictions and casual users will just be turned off/away.
Why make it harder for the average users here and easier for scammers? You favor an environment that is conducive to scams, inconveniencing all average users every day, making Bitcointalk a dangerous place. Who is being punished here? This is the tyranny of the majority over a tiny minority.
My suggestion would make it slightly harder one time (seconds for most) for the average user to sign up, and make it so much harder for scammers, trolls, account farmers, etc.
Again, what are the genuine reasons aside from non-existent 'anonymity'?
I've already stated several times you can have them for whatever reasons you want. What reason are you using a 'throwaway account' now? That's one. Don't want to get into an argument with someone on your main account for whatever reason? That's another. Want one for business and one for personal? Another. Want to post unpopular opinions? Another. Want to sell dildos or erotic fiction you write? Create a new account. Any reason you want an account is valid and we should not restrict those people from doing so by adding pointless things like linking social media that do nothing but annoy people. And how is anonymity non existent? If I create an account through tor how is that tied to this account? If I want an account not linked to this one for whatever reasons I can do so regardless of the semantics of your definition of true anonymity.
How many accounts does an average user need in other forums? How many other accounts does an average user need on Bitcointalk?
How many erotic businesses does the average users run? How many users are too cowardly to voice their opinion on one anonymous account but not the other?
My suggestion would not be a barrier against someone who wants to have two or three accounts. It would be a barrier against scammers. It would be a barrier against spammers. It would make enforcement very possible.
You are arguing against it because it will cost most posters an extra couple of seconds (once) and because a small number of people who thinks they are anonymous might get turned away from registering?
Because you made a big deal about people not wanting to sign up due the hassle of clicking one button once, a process that will take a few seconds. Yet they are perfectly okay with waiting six minutes between posts.
It's not about how many buttons you have to click, tying your social media account is far more annoying and potentially dangerous in my opinion and I wouldn't give my own personal one and neither would Mitchell, so we and everybody else have to create a new email and new fake Facebook or whatever just to sign up, so no it takes longer than a few seconds and one click to sign up. And most people aren't ok or don't like the six minute wait and that will compound their frustration when they find out about it after just having to have gone through the tedious process of creating a new email and new Facebook. Many will just think 'fuck it' and leave as I'm sure many already do with the frustrating six minute restrictions.
I would argue that more people will sign up because they will feel safer, knowing there are actual people behind an account rather than alts.
I would argue that they wouldn't and I think you'll be in the minority with this opinion. You also seem to be contradicting yourself as how does tying a fake Facebook account make them a real person? You know as well as I do so all this will do is give users a false sense of security so not safer at all. Casual and niave users may feel more secure or have no problem with it but they'll regret it later when their account is hacked and their real world identity is exposed or whatever.
Who gains the most from the current system? That's right. Scammers. Not the average users.
How many users publicly post their website, email, Skype and Twitter accounts on this forum? Let's Google it.
Gmail (from profiles and forum posts): "&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8]29,000 results
Hotmail (from profiles and forum posts): "&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=site:[Suspicious link removed]%22]3,470
Skype (there's even a Bitcoin Skype group): "&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=site:bitcointalk.org+%22Skype%22]48,500[/url}
Twitter: [url=https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=site%3A[Suspicious link removed]"&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=site:[Suspicious link removed]%22]69,500
Facebook: "&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=site:[Suspicious link removed]%22]33,500
LinkedIn: "&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=site:[Suspicious link removed]%22]3,170
Google +: "&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=site:bitcointalk.org+%22plus.google.com%22]79,700
How many of the people above would suddenly leave Bitcointalk if asked to tie the social media accounts to Bitcointalk? How many people would feel sudden need to create a fake social media account to hide their identity from the admins?
Same, and many people will just be just turned off straight away. People who want to get around these restrictions to abuse them will just do what is necessary to bypass them, so it just hurts regular users who don't care or have the patience to go about creating fake social media accounts or using proxies/tor etc.
Many people? Many people couldn't be bothered about hiding their identity online. The very, very few who do, can just create an alternate account to do so.
They won't get flagged.
When amateurs create accounts multiple accounts, they will get flagged for reasons mentioned in my earlier posts.
For professionals scammers, they will have a higher barrier of entry and one wrong move could render their account closed.
Again it seems like you're proving my point here. Many people won't bother and the rest will just create new accounts so what actually is the point apart from annoying everybody? Or is it just about catching amateurs now? Professional scammers will professionally avoid the restrictions. Sure, you'll catch some out but you'll also catch genuine users who just don't want to use their own Internet connection or personal details.
Most people already have social media accounts, and most people won't have the need to be anonymous to the admins.
Most people won't be bothered about an extra one-time click that will cost them a few extra seconds. Most people are bothered by the sic-minute rule, but they choose to remain on this board. Genuine users won't have reason to be caught, because genuine users won't be creating accounts by the truckloads.
I have a reason why people would want to create alternate accounts that is more valid then any of the above reasons: someone spends a lot of time calling out scammers and stopping scams. As a result scammers don't like him (it would probably be more accurate to say scammers would hate such a person).
A person who spends a lot of time weeding out scammers probably would not want their RL identity associated with their account because scammers would probably try to associate their RL identity with a bunch of BS illegal shit that is not true (just look at Vod - I am fairly confident that he thoroughly regrets associating his RL identity with his account now).
If such a person wanted to trade with people they would likely do so with alt accounts in order to protect their identity.
Why would that need to stop? Linking your social media account to your Bitcointalk account does mean you must post with your real life identity.A person who spends a lot of time weeding out scammers probably would not want their RL identity associated with their account because scammers would probably try to associate their RL identity with a bunch of BS illegal shit that is not true (just look at Vod - I am fairly confident that he thoroughly regrets associating his RL identity with his account now).
If such a person wanted to trade with people they would likely do so with alt accounts in order to protect their identity.
Try it out here: https://www.digitalpoint.com. You have the option of hiding your accounts, changing your username, profile pics, etc.
A few years ago, that forum was so flooded with scammers and spammers, it was difficult even making a small purchase.
Today, the crime wave is gone. Sure, there are still the odd scams, but by and large, it is a safe place to conduct business and trades, post jobs or hold contests.
Once there is a barrier in place, most people will value their accounts more. People won't just simply link spam, try to run cheat someone for a few dollars, etc.
DigitalPoint is one of the most popular forums in the world. But they managed to beat the scam tide.
Another good example is WarriorForum.com, an even larger forum than Digital Point.
Last year, when the scam tide became too big, users had to pay $5 to register. A few years earlier, they implemented the War Room package for members who wanted enhanced credibility. Their admins constantly change the rules to counter spammers and scammers.
Both of these forums (especially DigitalPoint) has similar user demographic to Bitcointalk - tech savvy, young, webpreneur. In the case of WarriorForum, the number of millionaires are so much more than here. Even some of pro copywriters in the copywriting section make over a million a year. You don't see many problems with enforcement there.
Unless there has been a dramatic change, Bitcoin protocol is not anonymous. Never has been. Yes, you can hide, but you are not anonymous.
So you can hide but you're not anonymous? If you're smart and don't screw up I don't think there's a solid way to tie someones address to their real world identity. Can you not be anonymous with tor either, or is that also just something you 'hide' behind?
So is it one of the reasons or whatever reasons? As far as I remember, theymos or badbear has always maintained that alts and account sales are allowed because of difficulty in enforcement.
Again, that is just one of the reasons, and you can have an alt account for whatever reason you personally wish (obviously as it's within the rules - not for evading bans etc).
Here is a solution that will make it enforceable unless someone is willing to purchase x number of unique IPs tied to one particular account, social account and email and hope they always remember to flush their browser before switching accounts.
So it's not a solution then is it, because that's exactly what people will do, and your points are still moot because multi-accounts are allowed, and again, not soley because it's unenforceable but because there are genuine reasons for having several accounts.
Again, what are the genuine reasons aside from non-existent 'anonymity'?
Or are you saying Bitcointalk admins decision behind alts and account sales has nothing to do with enforcement? That puts a new spin on everything.
I'm not saying it has nothing to do with it as that is one reason, but not the sole one.
As for jumping hoops. I would argue legitimate and honest users are asked to jump through more hoops to navigate through the scammy minefield here.
If you really want to talk about hoops, the six minute posting requirement for newbie accounts is the biggest hoop around.
If you really want to talk about hoops, the six minute posting requirement for newbie accounts is the biggest hoop around.
Yes, so you're proving my point here. Don't add more restrictions, especially pointless unnecesary ones. The time limit goes down after a while anyway but at least newbs make it past the sign up stage which many won't if they see you need to link a social media account to it.
How am I proving your point? I just poked a pretty large hole in it. The biggest restriction is the six minutes barrier between posts. Linking your social media account takes seconds, once.
How did you poke a hole in it? Because you said hoops are annoying but your solution is to add more to jump through? Once your identity is tied to that account it might be only once but it is there forever and then you still have to contend with the 6 minute wait, that's if you have made it past linking your social media account which many wont because it's unnecessary and all it does it add annoyance to people whilst stopping nothing but genuine users signing up or making it an extra hassle for them to do so.
I don't want my social media accounts tied to Bitcointalk or Bitcoin in general. I tend to keep that kind of stuff private and away from this. If I had to connect my Bitcointalk account with Social Media, I would either create a fake account or look for another forum.
Same, and many people will just be just turned off straight away. People who want to get around these restrictions to abuse them will just do what is necessary to bypass them, so it just hurts regular users who don't care or have the patience to go about creating fake social media accounts or using proxies/tor etc.
They won't get flagged.
When amateurs create accounts multiple accounts, they will get flagged for reasons mentioned in my earlier posts.
For professionals scammers, they will have a higher barrier of entry and one wrong move could render their account closed.
I would argue that more people will sign up because they will feel safer, knowing there are actual people behind an account rather than alts.
@Mitchell, where else would you go? Bitcointalk has an unhealthy monopoly online. There is nowhere else to go.
Because you're making people jump through hoops and put their identity on the line just to sign up and post on a forum, a forum where most people value their privacy or wish to remain anon for whatever reasons. Most people tend to think the newb time restrictions and previous newbie jail are bad enough without adding more complications to just signing up in the first place.
Bitcoin is not anonymous. So why is Bitcointalk trying to be anonymous? The admins also never said alts are allowed because of anonymity. The reason given is difficulty in enforcement.
Bitcoin is as anonymous as you want it to be, and difficulty in enforcing them is one of the reasons but alts are allowed for whatever reason you want them for and that includes anonymity. Mods/staff/admins have stated multiple times alts are allowed if you don't want certain things being tied to certain identities so it's not just because it's unenforceable.
Unless there has been a dramatic change, Bitcoin protocol is not anonymous. Never has been. Yes, you can hide, but you are not anonymous.
So is it one of the reasons or whatever reasons? As far as I remember, theymos or badbear has always maintained that alts and account sales are allowed because of difficulty in enforcement. Here is a solution that will make it enforceable unless someone is willing to purchase x number of unique IPs tied to one particular account, social account and email and hope they always remember to flush their browser before switching accounts.
Or are you saying Bitcointalk admins decision behind alts and account sales has nothing to do with enforcement? That puts a new spin on everything.
Even then, I remember users could post anonymously on this forum without creating an account, but doing so will not let them accumulate posts, rank and reputation.
As for jumping hoops. I would argue legitimate and honest users are asked to jump through more hoops to navigate through the scammy minefield here.
If you really want to talk about hoops, the six minute posting requirement for newbie accounts is the biggest hoop around.
If you really want to talk about hoops, the six minute posting requirement for newbie accounts is the biggest hoop around.
Yes, so you're proving my point here. Don't add more restrictions, especially pointless unnecesary ones. The time limit goes down after a while anyway but at least newbs make it past the sign up stage which many won't if they see you need to link a social media account to it.
How am I proving your point? I just poked a pretty large hole in it. The biggest restriction is the six minutes barrier between posts. Linking your social media account takes seconds, once.
This thread reminded me of a hilarious Reddit post from last week. If you read on beyond this post, you will see some heavy discussion on who is the best girl for Ash (Misty, May, Dawn, Serena).
My favorite post:
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The fuck did you say about Misty? Do you have any idea how furiously I can type at you?
Because you're making people jump through hoops and put their identity on the line just to sign up and post on a forum, a forum where most people value their privacy or wish to remain anon for whatever reasons. Most people tend to think the newb time restrictions and previous newbie jail are bad enough without adding more complications to just signing up in the first place.
Bitcoin is not anonymous. So why is Bitcointalk trying to be anonymous? The admins also never said alts are allowed because of anonymity. The reason given is difficulty in enforcement.As for jumping hoops. I would argue legitimate and honest users are asked to jump through more hoops to navigate through the scammy minefield here.
If you really want to talk about hoops, the six minute posting requirement for newbie accounts is the biggest hoop around.
Why would this forum want to tie accounts to social media? Very few people would use their own personal accounts and just create new ones so it's pointless. All you do is punish regular users and trouble makers will just do everything they can to bypass them.
How is it punishment?Edit: To answer your first question, the admins always claim the difficulty in enforcement is why they allow alts. By tying account to a social media account, you are increasing the barrier to registration.
Can people go around it? Yes. But it is harder.
If you use a public proxy within the same IP range to create social media accounts, it will be flagged. Additional verification is required.
If you create more than x number of social media accounts from the same IP range, it will be flagged.
If you login to more than x number of social media accounts from the same IP range, it will be flagged.
Logging off accounts will leave cookies in place as well, and people will always get their social media + account combinations mixed up - which gives admins more information to ban alts.
I really couldn't agree more with you marcotheminer , It would be nice to be able to connect using Social media such as Twitter , Google+ and an email verification won't hurt anyone too that should prevent some BOTS from spamming (only famous email providers should be used like outlook , gmail , hotmail , yahoo etc... )
Also captcha's as you said ... I mean captcha's are really so useful and the forum can even earn money from it since we have thousands of people connecting everyday here
For the new forum software we was waiting for a Beta release in December and nothing really happened so I'am pretty sure that the Final release won't be in February also last time I asked the developper he said that the release beta is very soon , probably in some weeks who knows . I just hope we won't be dissapointed
If nothing of what you said gets added to the Beta , you should move this thread to new software forum
~ Madness
Also captcha's as you said ... I mean captcha's are really so useful and the forum can even earn money from it since we have thousands of people connecting everyday here
For the new forum software we was waiting for a Beta release in December and nothing really happened so I'am pretty sure that the Final release won't be in February also last time I asked the developper he said that the release beta is very soon , probably in some weeks who knows . I just hope we won't be dissapointed
If nothing of what you said gets added to the Beta , you should move this thread to new software forum
~ Madness
It would be awesome if forum accounts must be tied to a Twitter, FB or Google+ account.
Yes, one could still create fake social media accounts to complement particular accounts, but it will be more difficult and require more coordination each time posting. Admins will have an easier time to flesh out alts. On top of that, social media sites will ban users with too many accounts.
The bad news is it willl suddenly make the whole forum less crowded. Safer, but more quiet will all the alts gone.
Re: Backed.io - Develop A Slogan For Backed (0.25 BTC) (Closed)
The winning slogan is a little cliched, in my opinion. Slightly underwhelming.
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Well if it makes you fell any better
"The Bacon Of News"
was strongly considered.
Lol... who doesn't love baconz?
I don't mean to bitch. Sorry.
The Bacon of News, while good, might make you a target of religious fundamentalist.
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Should the Winner of competition fill a form?Regards
None of you are getting paid.
To all competition prize winners;
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Due to the situation with the company and the fact we will not be manufacturing the bitcoin collection we will be unable to pay the prizes promised. Once we have dealt with our other outstanding issues and made things right with our customers, we will re-visit the situation and look at the possibilities of what can be done to rectify this situation.
for what do you need such account?
I am selling it for 1$ ea
To participate in promotions, bypassing registration restrictions, manipulating likes/votes, claiming Stellars, etc.
Are you sure they will work for claiming stellars as they require old fb accounts with activity?
If they do, I'll buy one.
But the Stellar giveaway has been trimmed now right? 150 Stellars only, right? Confirm that first before making any investments.
When I first did it, we got 5,000 apiece. Then it went down to 3750 (I think), then 2250 (I think), then about 1,000 (maybe 1,250).
Made close a few hundred dollars in the first week of the launch.
I still have the Facebook accounts.
ps: Remember to use proxies when registering and claiming. Don't use Gmail, because the proxies will get flagged by Google and you will have to do phone verification.
for what do you need such account?
I am selling it for 1$ ea
To participate in promotions, bypassing registration restrictions, manipulating likes/votes, claiming Stellars, etc.
I would love to take one too, I'm a loyal fan of the Norton.
Norton has fans?http://files.riffsy.com/images/6e622f32bd634e60889dc22a0d33700f/raw
OP, nice thing you're doing here.
Re: Ship glitter to your enemies! - Glitter Bomb service!
Here is what I need to know.
Is this so powerful that I have to worry about glitter being shot in my gf eyes? If not, then I will test it out and video her opening it for you. I'll tell her its a gift from me and I want to video her reaction. She wont know its a glitter bomb obv. As long as she dont attack me and shatter my phone, I can upload the video for you.
Is this so powerful that I have to worry about glitter being shot in my gf eyes? If not, then I will test it out and video her opening it for you. I'll tell her its a gift from me and I want to video her reaction. She wont know its a glitter bomb obv. As long as she dont attack me and shatter my phone, I can upload the video for you.
No guarantees though on the reaction of your girlfriend.
Hope your couch is a comfortable one.
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Backstreet's Backed Alright!
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Thank you very much. Thank you very much.
Seriously though, here we go, here we go.
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2. Backed.io | Bitcoin Powered Discussion (fronting the core feature as selling point)
3. Backed.io | Bridging Ideas (position the brand as an ideas platform)
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Thank you very much. Thank you very much.
Seriously though, here we go, here we go.
1. Backed.io | Ideas ♦ Discussion ♦ CollaborationBitcoin (BTC superscript)
2. Backed.io | Bitcoin Powered Discussion (fronting the core feature as selling point)
3. Backed.io | Bridging Ideas (position the brand as an ideas platform)
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I've never ourchased Coinographic coins before, so this is just an outsider looking in.
Don't mean to kick a man when he's down, but he's lied multiple times since November as far as I can see.
Why would he suddenly be truthful now?
I remember one of his first contest in Litecointalk early or middle of last year.
One of the contestants was caught using a bank logo.
Mark privately okayed it in a PM and didn't ban the contestant until a few people called him out on it.
Looking back, I guess that is a strong indicator that he was not in this for the long haul.
Don't mean to kick a man when he's down, but he's lied multiple times since November as far as I can see.
Why would he suddenly be truthful now?
I remember one of his first contest in Litecointalk early or middle of last year.
One of the contestants was caught using a bank logo.
Mark privately okayed it in a PM and didn't ban the contestant until a few people called him out on it.
Looking back, I guess that is a strong indicator that he was not in this for the long haul.
I still don't understand what purpledonkey is.
Care to explain?
Care to explain?
I dont understand this either. OP could you please explain this more.
This is a donkey.
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This is the color purple.
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This is the movie The Color Purple.
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Re: Need help where to post my $200k = right now ~500 BTC finders fee
OP, why don't you try to get in touch with Stefan Katafai. Seems he is in direct contact with 300 billionaires.
His website has a phone number and email address: http://www.agent4stars.com/
I think you should highlight the proximity to the Prime Minister's residence.
Edit:
OP, another option. Trump International Realty. Contact them here: http://www.trumpinternationalrealty.com/contact/
Who knows, Donald Trump might buy for himself.
*starts dreaming about his $200,000 bounty*
His website has a phone number and email address: http://www.agent4stars.com/
I think you should highlight the proximity to the Prime Minister's residence.
Edit:
OP, another option. Trump International Realty. Contact them here: http://www.trumpinternationalrealty.com/contact/
Who knows, Donald Trump might buy for himself.
*starts dreaming about his $200,000 bounty*
thanks for the links and tips. but to be frank I didnt approach them yet. but if you have any good connections to those people please approach them so you can full fill your dream and get the finders fee.
Re: (HIRING) Looking for someone to make one page website. Bounty 0.25
Hello,
I want someone to make a one page website.
The website will be simple yet elegant
It will have a writeup about the business and then 5 other slots with pay now buttons thaat i will provide links.
Its actually a very simple and straight forward project.
The person completeing this would have to make the site. Put the pay now buttons. Add text and links to the external sites. Etc
Escrow is welcome
Will provide domain, hosting and ssl.
You will have to help come up with name, complete site and patch it all up.
For more info please PM or any questions post here.
Regards
Duke
I want someone to make a one page website.
The website will be simple yet elegant
It will have a writeup about the business and then 5 other slots with pay now buttons thaat i will provide links.
Its actually a very simple and straight forward project.
The person completeing this would have to make the site. Put the pay now buttons. Add text and links to the external sites. Etc
Escrow is welcome
Will provide domain, hosting and ssl.
You will have to help come up with name, complete site and patch it all up.
For more info please PM or any questions post here.
Regards
Duke
OP, is this landing page to funnel traffic, opt-ins or close sales?