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Not content with shutting my website down, the UK Gambling Commission has now seen to it that I cannot bet with my bitcoin at the following (so far)
Direct Bet
Fairlay
Nitrogen Sports
BetBtc
Where ever you are in the world, enjoy your freedom.....ours here in Britain is slowly vanishing.
Direct Bet
Fairlay
Nitrogen Sports
BetBtc
Where ever you are in the world, enjoy your freedom.....ours here in Britain is slowly vanishing.
Now Anonibet is blocking us UK punters.
Just Cloudbet left.
This is a nightmare.
Whats the reason for you of not getting yourself a VPN? you can get a very cheap VPN just to bypass this IP block easily and you will still be able to play at your favourite website. Also you can always use a public wifi to access your wallet so that the UK gambling commission could not track your activity
That is the issue.
And how long before the American Gambling Commissions go down the same route?
Surely it won't just stop at us in Britain.
Yes, that is the main issue here. I can't even bet with Doge, which is essentially monopoly money, without going out of my way and wondering if the government are tracking me as a criminal.
I'd actually argue that Doge is not equivalent to traditional money's worth because 1 Doge is approximately equal to 0.0001243 GBP and can't even be converted directly due to needing BTC/USD conversions first.
It was a deeply sad day when betting sites no longer accepted UK IPs to bet with crypto.
If anyone in the gambling commission genuinely believes they are protecting UK gamblers here then they are severely mistaken.
The government may think they are gaining short term but long term it has negative consequences for everyone involved.
sorry guys, no longer selling
unfortunately i took the advice of the first reply which said i was wasting my time on this forum so i didn't come back in time
thanks for any helpful replies after that though
unfortunately i took the advice of the first reply which said i was wasting my time on this forum so i didn't come back in time
thanks for any helpful replies after that though
Taken from
http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/FAQs/Online-gambling/Why-has-the-Gambling-Commission-written-to-Bitcoin-operators.aspx
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Why has the Gambling Commission written to Bitcoin operators?
We are concerned about illegal gambling operators providing facilities for gambling to consumers in Great Britain. An operator needs to be licensed by the Gambling Commission regardless of where they are located in the world, if they provide facilities for gambling to consumers in Great Britain. We have written to a number of website operators offering prizes of money or moneys worth to gamblers in Britain that are not licensed by us. Bitcoin comes under the category of moneys worth and therefore any operator offering this facility to gamblers in Britain requires an operating licence or they are acting illegally.
Page last reviewed: June 2015
http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/FAQs/Online-gambling/Why-has-the-Gambling-Commission-written-to-Bitcoin-operators.aspx
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Why has the Gambling Commission written to Bitcoin operators?
We are concerned about illegal gambling operators providing facilities for gambling to consumers in Great Britain. An operator needs to be licensed by the Gambling Commission regardless of where they are located in the world, if they provide facilities for gambling to consumers in Great Britain. We have written to a number of website operators offering prizes of money or moneys worth to gamblers in Britain that are not licensed by us. Bitcoin comes under the category of moneys worth and therefore any operator offering this facility to gamblers in Britain requires an operating licence or they are acting illegally.
Page last reviewed: June 2015
They mention nothing about Litecoin, Dogecoin, etc. and areas in the UK outside of Great Britain... the whole thing has no proper clarification about what exactly is legal and what is not.
It may appear to be less hassle short term but trust me they are losing their business long term if they are this unprincipled.
They are not losing all of it I would say. Basically if a gambler is fond enough with a site, it will not be much hassle for him to access it through a proxy. However as a unlicensed gambling site, the risk are far greater than keep on serving business for the UK customer .
It will be much of a nightmare for you because you might see the legal feds knocking on your front the next morning and this would be the reason that most unlicensed sites has taken the safety precautions rather than facing the law in the future
Why would a gambler continue to bet with a site that still hasn't offered a full explanation of the situation?
If they are willing to ban one country's IP with no explanation, they will continue to do the same with other countries sooner or later.
Their business is finished.
I would like to see what happens incase one of the gambling sites(not in UK) does not agree to their request.
Exactly.
The UK Gambling Commission has written to online sportsbooks, bookmakers and casinos telling them to block anyone with a UK IP address.
Already, Direct Bet and the Fairlay Bitcoin betting exchange have implemented this today.
It's outrageous.
Already, Direct Bet and the Fairlay Bitcoin betting exchange have implemented this today.
It's outrageous.
Are Direct Bet and the Fairlay Bitcoin UK based?
If not, why are they blocking UK IPs?
I don't understand why everyone seems to be taking orders from the UK Gambling Commission all of a sudden without any explanation to end users.
Any more details on this would be appreciated.
Regardless of where the bookies are based, its customers are British. That's why they're only blocking UK IPs, and bitcoin sites are only following the other foreign bookmakers (188bet, sbobet, pinnacle) in leaving Britain since the new gambling laws require them to register under the UKGamingCommission's licensing system (and pay a hefty tax). The idea behind this is to protect British consumers apparently, though anyone who knows the first thing about betting knows you cannot win using British bookmakers alone. And I'd wager (no pun intnded) that there are fifa levels of corruption going on behind the scenes
My point is, why are any sites blocking British IPs just because the UK gambling commission said so? Especially if they are outside of the UK, what can a UK gambling commission really do about it? How do you even prove that;
1) A cryptocurrency is equivalent to money's worth
2) An IP is equivalent to a location
3) An anonymous transaction is linked to a person in the UK and a gambling related server
4) A gambling commission in the UK has control over a server outside of the UK
None of these things have been held up in court and, especially if you are outside of the UK, how do you even get summoned to a UK court of law?
Basically, if sites start blocking IPs any time any random commission decides so then there is no point to using cryptocurrency. If anyone, from any side, honestly thinks that banning UK IPs resolves a problem here then they are seriously short-sighted. It will just censor the mainstream from cryptocurrency, and other commissions from other countries will soon start telling other sites to do the same with other services.
Ultimately the only ones who will continue to use cryptocurrency will be using VPNs without the site's consent and causing more problems down the line. Frankly the fact that no one is seriously challenging this is disastrous to the survival of cryptocurrency. It has set the trend for the future. Cryptocurrency sites are happy to provide censorship of their services at the first sign of fear without even really questioning it.
There is no longer any point in using them.
You're absolutely right. The thing is, although there will be very little repercussion for directbetif they continued serving Brit IPs, I think they see it as not worth the hassle. The UKGC perhaps has them a little bit scared and they're protecting their business. Their lack of comment on the issue just confirms this. It's a slippery slope once bitcoin, a decentralized currency, starts to be ruled over like this
It may appear to be less hassle short term but trust me they are losing their business long term if they are this unprincipled.
The UK Gambling Commission has written to online sportsbooks, bookmakers and casinos telling them to block anyone with a UK IP address.
Already, Direct Bet and the Fairlay Bitcoin betting exchange have implemented this today.
It's outrageous.
Already, Direct Bet and the Fairlay Bitcoin betting exchange have implemented this today.
It's outrageous.
Are Direct Bet and the Fairlay Bitcoin UK based?
If not, why are they blocking UK IPs?
I don't understand why everyone seems to be taking orders from the UK Gambling Commission all of a sudden without any explanation to end users.
Any more details on this would be appreciated.
Regardless of where the bookies are based, its customers are British. That's why they're only blocking UK IPs, and bitcoin sites are only following the other foreign bookmakers (188bet, sbobet, pinnacle) in leaving Britain since the new gambling laws require them to register under the UKGamingCommission's licensing system (and pay a hefty tax). The idea behind this is to protect British consumers apparently, though anyone who knows the first thing about betting knows you cannot win using British bookmakers alone. And I'd wager (no pun intnded) that there are fifa levels of corruption going on behind the scenes
My point is, why are any sites blocking British IPs just because the UK gambling commission said so? Especially if they are outside of the UK, what can a UK gambling commission really do about it? How do you even prove that;
1) A cryptocurrency is equivalent to money's worth
2) An IP is equivalent to a location
3) An anonymous transaction is linked to a person in the UK and a gambling related server
4) A gambling commission in the UK has control over a server outside of the UK
None of these things have been held up in court and, especially if you are outside of the UK, how do you even get summoned to a UK court of law?
Basically, if sites start blocking IPs any time any random commission decides so then there is no point to using cryptocurrency. If anyone, from any side, honestly thinks that banning UK IPs resolves a problem here then they are seriously short-sighted. It will just censor the mainstream from cryptocurrency, and other commissions from other countries will soon start telling other sites to do the same with other services.
Ultimately the only ones who will continue to use cryptocurrency will be using VPNs without the site's consent and causing more problems down the line. Frankly the fact that no one is seriously challenging this is disastrous to the survival of cryptocurrency. It has set the trend for the future. Cryptocurrency sites are happy to provide censorship of their services at the first sign of fear without even really questioning it.
There is no longer any point in using them.
But how does the UK gambling commission actually take legal action against a hypothetical offshore site which refuses to acknowledge its existence?
Would the site not need to be in the UK for any legal action to actually be imposed?
Would the site not need to be in the UK for any legal action to actually be imposed?
Since October 2014 its now required to obtain license not only when you have servers on UK soil but also if you have UK gamblers. Thus BitDice closed gambling for UK users about 6 month ago.
Out of interest, what would actually happen if you decided to continue to accept UK IPs on offshore servers without a UK gambling license?
The UK Gambling Commission has written to online sportsbooks, bookmakers and casinos telling them to block anyone with a UK IP address.
Already, Direct Bet and the Fairlay Bitcoin betting exchange have implemented this today.
It's outrageous.
Already, Direct Bet and the Fairlay Bitcoin betting exchange have implemented this today.
It's outrageous.
Are Direct Bet and the Fairlay Bitcoin UK based?
If not, why are they blocking UK IPs?
I don't understand why everyone seems to be taking orders from the UK Gambling Commission all of a sudden without any explanation to end users.
Any more details on this would be appreciated.
Re: DirectBet – LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. Rated # 1 by Bitcointalk Members !
I used the site for a while with no problems but I now keep getting this message when I try to place a bet:
I don't understand what is going on or why this is happening to me.
I looked up Rules and Help and contacted support but no answers there.
Quote
Unfortunately, we can not accept bets from your jurisdiction, sorry.
I don't understand what is going on or why this is happening to me.
I looked up Rules and Help and contacted support but no answers there.
where are you from mate? i got no problem on my end
UK... but I don't see why it should matter or why I should even have to give this information... I thought the point of cryptocurrency was for anonymous transaction for everyone.
some countries have legalities about cryptocurrency, like PrimeDice which is recently blocked in the US
But if that is the case then why did they accept my bets last week and not this week? Will they still pay the bets out if any of them win? I don't understand what the recent legality change is as there is no explanation for it.
Re: DirectBet – LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. Rated # 1 by Bitcointalk Members !
I used the site for a while with no problems but I now keep getting this message when I try to place a bet:
I don't understand what is going on or why this is happening to me.
I looked up Rules and Help and contacted support but no answers there.
Quote
Unfortunately, we can not accept bets from your jurisdiction, sorry.
I don't understand what is going on or why this is happening to me.
I looked up Rules and Help and contacted support but no answers there.
where are you from mate? i got no problem on my end
UK... but I don't see why it should matter or why I should even have to give this information... I thought the point of cryptocurrency was for anonymous transaction for everyone.
Re: DirectBet – LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. Rated # 1 by Bitcointalk Members !
I used the site for a while with no problems but I now keep getting this message when I try to place a bet:
I don't understand what is going on or why this is happening to me.
I looked up Rules and Help and contacted support but no answers there.
Quote
Unfortunately, we can not accept bets from your jurisdiction, sorry.
I don't understand what is going on or why this is happening to me.
I looked up Rules and Help and contacted support but no answers there.