Could you please update the website first before doing that? I just registered and have a 0 balance.

I was trying to move some ER-20 tokens from one Ethereum address to another (offline paper wallet address). I had enough gas to cover the cost, but the transaction still failed. I went to the website of the token, and read that it is locked until the ICO is over. Will the tokens still transfer after sale is over, or because the transaction failed due to the lock, will they just remain in the original address - and I'm just out a little bit of gas?

I'm still learning how Ether transactions work. I just hope that my tokens don't disappear into limbo somehow. I did do a bit of research and read that failed transactions should fully roll back and the tokens stay in the original address. I just want to confirm that from those with the knowledge.

Thanks for your time,

-Snow.

I received my airdrop. Thank you so much guys. I wish you the best with this project.

LemX, I've sent you a few PM's now and also posted in the thread a few times. I would like to be part of this project. I signed up before you changed the rules for Newbies and Jr. Members. Please read my PM's, and alter your rules so that actual Newbies and Jr. Members can participate in the airdrop. I'm still waiting on my airdrop. Thank you for your time. Please reply. Don't let a small handful of cheaters or a very small handful of slack voters deny those of us who are legitimate from participating in the airdrop.

Very good point as well. I like your solution. Then I think if more legitimate projects are then announcing on the threads, they'll show work or proof of why they're investing work and time into their projects. They'll actually be selling themselves. Your solution would certainly help a lot I think, and Bitcointalk would happier too with some extra revenue coming in.

Actually, I'm still a bit upset about what happened earlier. It's unfair to be booted when I was on the old list (and not one of the bad apples). Should you end up with a few DET left over, then send some my way (of course, no more than what you've assigned to Newbies). Thank you again for your time. This will be my last message regarding this issue. Whatever the decision, good luck with this coin. I wish the best for it. And one way or another, I hope to have some in my account.

Well, I'm not angry at you and thank you very much for your response. I got a bit frustrated. I'm sure I was on the list in the very beginning, but thanks to useless asshats trying to cheat the system, once again, I lose out on an airdrop. I really wanted to be part of this project. Perhaps I'll buy DET tokens, but I'm very tight at the moment and have been somewhat unsuccessfully signing up for airdrops. I did get approved for 2 or 3 at least, so I'm happy about that.

Thank you again for responding Dragon. I appreciate it.

-Snow

PLEASE DO NOT IGNORE ME.

I applied when the airdrop was new and should have been one of the first 100 members. Have I done something wrong? I shouldn't get burned because a few bad individuals tried cheating the system. Why should I be punished for what someone else did? I've been polite and sent up to 3 PM's about this. The first PM was on October 5, when the thread reappeared. Plenty of time for me to get a spot on the list. Here is the message I posted earlier in this thread. Please reply.

I'm not sure what happened and I have no idea if my PM's are reaching anyone. When the airdrop first started I pm'd my address to Dragon (I think it was a form the first time around) as per instructions. A day or so later, the thread was unavailable for a while. Then it came back, but I noticed I wasn't on the list. I PM'd my address again. Still not on the list and now it says distribution to Newbies is complete. I think I was one of the first to PM my address, so I'm not sure how I got missed. I sent Dragon a PM anyway, so if you can check it, I would appreciate it. However this is the 3rd airdrop where I PM an address to and nothing happens, no notification, I'm not on the list, nothing. Yet, I'm not banned or have negative points or have done anything to disqualify me. All I can think is that my PM's aren't getting to the devs.

Edit:
I remember now. I signed up on Oct 4. I found Dragon Exchange via airdropalert.com. I believe I had to fill in a form the first time around, unless I'm mistaken, but my name WAS on the excel sheet. Now it's not and no communication from Dragon. What happened? I really hope I can still get my airdrop.

Thank you for your time.

-Snow

You certainly bring up good points. What I'm getting at, is that anyone can post any project they want - but show the work and commitment at the least. It's more like regulating the crap. Since I'm a gamer, I'll bring up a gaming example. When Apple first opened up their app store, many developers submitted games. Not long after, crap games came in by the truckload. Certainly there was a gem or two hidden in the oddball games, but many were copy/paste code and or copy/paste graphics (in some cases re-skinned graphics - meaning exact same game, just different graphics). There was so much trash, that sometimes when an actual good game was submitted, it quickly disappeared in the haze of shovelware. In my opinion, had Apple set a certain standard for quality. Yea.. sure, there would have been a few angry devs with actual well made games that wouldn't make the cut, because a tester didn't think they were up to par, however most good quality games would have entered the store. All of the shovelware would have been kept out. This would give new devs who made great games a more fair chance at making decent sales in the app store. Apple would be dealing with a LOT LESS complaints. It would have been cheaper for Apple to host a small amount of good games rather than good games mixed with millions of crap games. Apple would also be dealing with a LOT LESS legal matters since - some undesirables who made crap games would steal gameplay pics of popular games and dupe buyers into thinking they were purchasing a different game. Some really bad apples made games that weren't games, but phishing apps.

So in short - the shovelware creates more unnecessary work for everyone: Apple to have to deal with the garbage, spend more money on servers hosting shovelware and deal with customer complaints. Committed game developers who could have made a fair amount of money, but instead had to do extra unnecessary work to get their product seen. The customer, having to look extra hard sometimes for hidden gems, dealing with games and Apple, when they've been tricked or unsatisfied with their product - wasting their money as well.

It's the same with crap coins. I honestly don't know how many altcoins are out there now and the market already seems saturated with them. Isn't it going to get bloated and a complex messy situation when there are X many? And you are certainly right, that it is the due dilligence still (whether coins are regulated or not) of investors to make proper decisions into what they are investing in. I invested in Enjincoin, since that's right up my ally and also I did my homework on them. Plus, to me they have shown a great deal of work and commitment. I have high hopes for them and I know they will fulfill their promises and goals.

So, this is my understanding. Perhaps I'm wrong in thinking this way. I myself don't like authority.. I like being my own boss. We can all agree though, that everything balances in the Universe. You want money? Put the effort into it. Work for it and earn it. Sometimes you might get freebies along the way (like airdrops for example - I sign up for legitimate ones of course). However, then you pay it forward somehow. I'm working my butt off on a huge game project that I hope will have a dedicated following and community. Any scrap of help I get, goes into the game and helps it come out ever more polished. It will be a few years before it comes out and I want it to be worth the time and money players put into it - with a few extra bonuses and freebies for them.

Added a poll to help show results. Your input is valuable.

I was just reading that the eDash team suddenly abandoned their tokens because it would cost them ACTUAL money to send out tokens to 17000 addresses submitted to the airdrop. Suddenly it's airdrops left and right from e coins. Most of these are copy/paste coins. We're getting flooded with all these crap coins suddenly appearing - most of which are either scams or someone desperate to make a quick buck, but no money or actual time invested.

So this is the rule I propose to the owners and moderators of bitcointalk.org:

If a corporation is serious enough to devote time, money and energy into an altcoin, there is no reason why they can't announce the coin/token while still in development, then post regularly about the development over several months to prove they are an actual legitimate company behind a legitimate coin/token. They should be required to submit a whitepaper and have a FULL detailed explanation of the coin/token. Finally, when they are ready to release the coin whether ICO, airdrop, etc, they can then update the post with details, when the alotted time has passed an upon approval of moderators.

So an example could be this:
Post coin development with following:
Company Name
Company Website
Individual Bio or Team Bios - MUST BE REAL AND CONFIRMED OR POST DELETED
Full description of coin - this includes benefits of this coin and why it will compete with others.
White paper - if not quite finished yet - have a grace period of 2 months before ANN post is permanently deleted.
Distribution details (ICO,airdrop,etc) announcement NO LESS THAT 8 MONTHS from when the altcoin was introduced here on the forum.
For the first 8 months - update the first post NO LESS THAN ONCE A MONTH with significant details of development.

Doing this would clear up a lot of garbage.

Thank you for reading and hopeful consideration. I'm posting this as a new topic so that members also have a chance to post their 2 cents. The decision (if there is one) should have input from the community.

Regards,

-Snow

LemX please check your PM about reconsidering Newbies and Jr. Members. I wish to be reconsidered for the airdrop. You can post your decision here if you want to since I PM'd you on behalf of all legitimate Newbie and Jr. Members. Please don't let a small handful of Slack voters deny us participation in your token. Thank you for your time and consideration. I will be looking forward to a response.

Yup, exactly. Otherwise it's not fair. And if the airdrop is now over, it really is not fair that many of us signed up only to be slapped in the face because of bots. I think the forum should consider using captchas for posting. That way, bots wouldn't be able to post.

I saw that Newbie and Jr. Member are crossed out, but I think it's because he's done processing them. I'm still waiting for my airdrop. If however Newbies and Jr. Members are suddenly disqualified even though many have signed up - that would mean negative points for the dev on this forum. Trust would surely go down. So hopefully that is not the case.

Edit: I just saw that there was an issue with bots, so suddenly Newbies and Jr. Members are indeed disqualified. That's not nice. How's about Newbie members with less than say 5 posts are disqualified. I would like to be part of this project.

Another edit: So, I've pm'd the dev and requested to reapply to the airdrop. I recommend other Newbie and Jr. Members do the same (but of course, be polite, and if he still says 'no', then leave it at that). I just feel that because of a small bunch of undesirables using bots, the rest of us who applied when the option wasn't available should be punished for it as well. I've suggested to the dev to limit entry via post count instead and if in question - look at the quality of posts of a particular user, in case it is suspected that that user is just a bot.

Thank you to the dev if you reconsider. And please check your PM.

-Snow

Unfortunately there will be those that dump. It would be very wise to hang onto them until Enjincoin is sufficiently integrated with many games and services. There are many more exciting possibilities with this coin instead of just using it as investment. I'm glad that the crowdsale is still on. I'm trying to scrounge more money to buy more and convincing everyone I know to buy some. If you ladies and gentlemen know any gamers - get them in the know. Buy some extra coins if you can and gift them out even. You're all witness to a very exciting time.

I see Enjin having HUGE value in the gaming community. Sale and trade of virtual items in multiplayer gaming communities is huge. A good example of this would be Team Fortress 2. Even though the goods in TF2 technically are not supposed to be traded for real money - the selling and trading of TF2 items is a huge deal. There are many websites dedicated to trade of items in this game alone and interestingly enough use very rare items as a form of currency with uncommon items as a fraction of that currency.

Having a legitimate cryptocurrency dedicated to virtual items for one thing would help stabilize prices, prevent fraud, help prevent theft, and even allow trading of items - where the company that owns the game forbids trading for actual money. This is particularly where it's going to explode. This will effect companies such as Steam in certain ways for sure. But it does NOT have to be negative. They just have to evolve. Steam doesn't want you to pay another gamer for an item he/she may have, because they sell that item themselves for real cash in the Steam store. So, gamers who trade in TF2 can only trade with another item of equal value. This gets complicated and theft happens regularly. If a gamer has a certain gun that I may want, but I don't have the necessary items to trade with. I can either A. buy the item in the steam store and then trade. B. Buy that gun myself. C. Buy it from that gamer with Enjin through a dedicated trading site. D. Buy it directly from that gamer via wallet to wallet transaction with Enjin. Enjin makes it easier. But this is grey right, because, now in a way I'm cheating Steam. If they evolve to incorporate Enjin into their service - they could earn dividends from trading while at the same time they could also use Enjin for contests, rewards, etc. Also by keeping control of trading - they earn their dividend from providing extra security against fraud/theft. My understanding might still be limited, but this is how I see it.

For many games, micro transactions will also be easier with a dedicated currency. So will trading of items between multiple games.

I'd type much more sorry, but I have class tomorrow and am tired.

In short: Enjin knows what they're doing and this is something even I thought about long ago (not as a currency, but pondering some sort of system for improved sale/trade of virtual items). If I could afford it, I'd be buying tons of ENJ right now, but I'm happy with the starter amount I have. And, this is my opinion. I personally believe if you invest into ENJ, you will be making a good choice.

I got my tokens. I'm super excited about this project. I'll be spreading word of it and hopefully will be getting a Minecraft server to move to adopt it. Finally! A currency just for virtual items - and one that shows a lot of polish and promise from what is a very successful and 100% gamer company. This is right in my ballpark. I look forward to November. I want to see how the gaming community will start to accommodate ENJ.

Well, whoever the owner is - he/she seems to be providing this service for free. Also if you click on any of the links, in the dialog that opens up, there is a website link at the bottom. I've had little trouble finding my way to the sign up pages.

If we spread the word around about the website, then perhaps devs of new altcoins will voluntarily submit airdrop info to the owner - making the owner's job of collecting the information much easier in the future. We shall see how this turns out. At the moment I think, it's probably a lot of hard work for the owner to collect all the information and keep it up to date.

I just saw this site. Saw the link to Bitsend and the ridiculous amount of coins the Bitsend team is giving out. Sadly I don't qualify and there are probably a handful of spots left. If the listing on Coinmarketcap is correct, they are giving out $4400 US (which is split up between 1000 members) approximately (what it is worth atm) each week until 2019. You have to be a senior member on here to qualify. Go check it out. *sigh*