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If satoshi has said something, anything, in 2019, I'm pretty sure we'd be aware of it. Please stop making shit up.
The best answer in this post. 
. I will add if satoshi really posted something in 2019 the bitcoin price will not be around 10k in that year.Satoshi said sth back in 2008 from where my one quote is .
So i guess the majority believes in him and it wasnt a team effort.
Well despite these quotes I do think that this is nor an exceptional thing nor impossible since it was long speculated that bitcoins was indeed made by a team and a group of people and it was not something that could have been done by a single person. The programming and the introduction it would have taken years for sure. Plus I do not think that it is wrong..... The inventor is always the inventor and he for sure would employee people to help him out with it. That's how a company works for real.
At the same time I do think people already know that the idea of bitcoins did not originate within seconds , rather it was a long process.
For example a quote from wiki :
Which does mean that Mr. Satoshi would have read the guy's article and worked and created the idea and then assembled the team to make this real !! That's just how inventions are, it's always a group effort.
At the same time I do think people already know that the idea of bitcoins did not originate within seconds , rather it was a long process.
For example a quote from wiki :
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Cryptographer David Chaum first proposed a blockchain-like protocol in his 1982 dissertation "Computer Systems Established, Maintained, and Trusted by Mutually Suspicious Groups
Which does mean that Mr. Satoshi would have read the guy's article and worked and created the idea and then assembled the team to make this real !! That's just how inventions are, it's always a group effort.
But when we assume that Satoshi was a team we make a claim that contradicts with what he said (see the relevant quote i gave).
Also if you see the matter from another angle it was a team project.! That s why he choose also a free license and in a broader angle he acknowledged in his paper the work of others. So it is a team effort .
But we can discuss on what point others start contributing..
So i think we can make a strong argument in favor of his position that he did the paper and the initial code.
I respect the anonymity Shatoshi wanted.
But the reason i dig little is because unfortunately his 'persona' was used , as weapon in strifes
as exploitable material and that stroke me . How it is possible cypherpunks or developers so easily
to play with the name and also blame others who want to dig?
But the reason i dig little is because unfortunately his 'persona' was used , as weapon in strifes
as exploitable material and that stroke me . How it is possible cypherpunks or developers so easily
to play with the name and also blame others who want to dig?
Times move forward. I think..!
So an interesting question is : Is an identity shaped in the one direction or the other?
'Satoshi-2008' is skillfull programmer and system builder. That what he said and gave proof of work in both sides.
In 2016 a cypherpunk describes an identity that i tag with another name because it says that 'Satoshi-2016' was a team.
That team has as leader a certain person X and that person had the core idea and wrote the more code.
And last person X says he is 'Satoshi-2019' . Now that is a new tag because he claims 'Satoshi-2019' is not a team but programmers he hired and that he is not skillfull programmer and he has not build a related system .
So an interesting question is : Is an identity shaped in the one direction or the other?
'Satoshi-2008' is skillfull programmer and system builder. That what he said and gave proof of work in both sides.
In 2016 a cypherpunk describes an identity that i tag with another name because it says that 'Satoshi-2016' was a team.
That team has as leader a certain person X and that person had the core idea and wrote the more code.
And last person X says he is 'Satoshi-2019' . Now that is a new tag because he claims 'Satoshi-2019' is not a team but programmers he hired and that he is not skillfull programmer and he has not build a related system .
'Satoshi' on his programming skills ( 2019-05 ):
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I didnt think it was about a group of core developers sitting there going we are the best programmers in the world. I am not. That's why i hired other people. My code is shit. I actually say that. I put case statements in my code. Everyone hates case statements. My documentation is as good as any first year bloody . I have no idea of real world coding.
'Satoshi' on his programming skills ( 2008-11-09 ):
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I appreciate your questions. I actually did this kind of backwards. I had to write all the code before I could convince myself that I could solve every problem, then I wrote the paper. I think I will be able to release the code sooner than I could write a detailed spec. You're already right about most of your assumptions where you filled in the blanks.
Cypherpunk comment on 'Satoshi' programmer skills. (2016-05)
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While he was the quintessential genius who had the original idea for Bitcoin and
wrote the lion's share of the code he couldnt have done it alone.
Satoshi Nakamoto was a team effort.
wrote the lion's share of the code he couldnt have done it alone.
Satoshi Nakamoto was a team effort.
Well .. there is also another theory ..
That bitcoin was just an evolution of an earlier working 'bitcoin'.
And that makes sense. Are we looking to a very good programmer or
a very good programmer with experience in digital currencies?
And Satoshi chickened because he knew very well from previous experience
the troubles that an unregulated digital currency would bring . Or that is
contradictory? Maybe he stayed as long as was needed to help bootstrap
the system because he knew that that was essential. Where that knowledge
came from? Only from a practical background i guess. And the Wikileaks
was just an excuse to back off unharmed.
So that other theory of mine is less hippie, less cypherpunk but maybe closer
to the truth. But i dont like it because if the bitcoin soul has not many hippie shards
that means that the golem can steal it and hold it in his hand without a serious burn...
Of course the 'cypherpunk driven' theory and the 'cyphermoney avoid jail this time driven' theory
maybe do overlap on some extent.
Alas the later theory brings disenchantment to many users and will break the current story that drives partly the system.
Because it raises the question whether the bitcoin affair was just an iteration of previous attempts that the goverment and
the crime brought down.
if Satoshi was less idealized driven then cypherpunks not only lost to get there first but they are driven down the mud .
Also if that theory is right the choosen pseudoname was just smoke .
That bitcoin was just an evolution of an earlier working 'bitcoin'.
And that makes sense. Are we looking to a very good programmer or
a very good programmer with experience in digital currencies?
And Satoshi chickened because he knew very well from previous experience
the troubles that an unregulated digital currency would bring . Or that is
contradictory? Maybe he stayed as long as was needed to help bootstrap
the system because he knew that that was essential. Where that knowledge
came from? Only from a practical background i guess. And the Wikileaks
was just an excuse to back off unharmed.
So that other theory of mine is less hippie, less cypherpunk but maybe closer
to the truth. But i dont like it because if the bitcoin soul has not many hippie shards
that means that the golem can steal it and hold it in his hand without a serious burn...
Of course the 'cypherpunk driven' theory and the 'cyphermoney avoid jail this time driven' theory
maybe do overlap on some extent.
Alas the later theory brings disenchantment to many users and will break the current story that drives partly the system.
Because it raises the question whether the bitcoin affair was just an iteration of previous attempts that the goverment and
the crime brought down.
if Satoshi was less idealized driven then cypherpunks not only lost to get there first but they are driven down the mud .
Also if that theory is right the choosen pseudoname was just smoke .
I have another theory.
What if Shatoshi gave up.. in a way that he doesnt care ?
He saw that kicking the hornet's nest will bring trouble .
He also saw that the vitality and passion of cypherpunks was transforming into
something more akin to goldrush mentality and that the community they were
propably seeing was an illusion.
I mean he stopped in an non orderly way. And there are cypherpunks who have
expressed likewise , turning their back to the 'experiment'. Bitcoin is just
a laye they say.. lets move on and let CSW play. Who cares?
Well .. maybe a father should care where he leaves his child.
(so i bet that definately not a woman)
And in that way a trait of their character surfaced that is little childish.
Programmers know how many negative traits have been attributed to RMS and Linus.
Two persons who in my programmer soul bear bigger weight that some Cypherpunks.
And although they are not perfect thay definately didnt turn their back.
What if Shatoshi gave up.. in a way that he doesnt care ?
He saw that kicking the hornet's nest will bring trouble .
He also saw that the vitality and passion of cypherpunks was transforming into
something more akin to goldrush mentality and that the community they were
propably seeing was an illusion.
I mean he stopped in an non orderly way. And there are cypherpunks who have
expressed likewise , turning their back to the 'experiment'. Bitcoin is just
a laye they say.. lets move on and let CSW play. Who cares?
Well .. maybe a father should care where he leaves his child.
(so i bet that definately not a woman)
And in that way a trait of their character surfaced that is little childish.
Programmers know how many negative traits have been attributed to RMS and Linus.
Two persons who in my programmer soul bear bigger weight that some Cypherpunks.
And although they are not perfect thay definately didnt turn their back.
Well, i think i have been educated . Thank you.
But it seems there are people who find it more practical . to just warn new users.
https://www.klaytn.com/
It reminds me of similar security messages i get so often from my fiat ebank when i log on.
Is that to much for a crypto community to do ?
But it seems there are people who find it more practical . to just warn new users.
https://www.klaytn.com/
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[Notice] Fraud Alert
Dear Customers,
Klaytn would like to make the following announcement:
Recently, there have been reports of fraudulent activities such as scam ads and smishing from accounts falsely claiming to represent Klaytn or a GroundX partner on messengers like Telegram and other social media channels, while unlawfully using our trademarks.
Please note that Klaytn hosts all of its events (or airdrops) only via our official website, Facebook and other channels, and we do not ask for your private information (ID, email address, public key, private key) on messengers or social media; nor do we ask for any type of cryptocurrencies as a condition for participating in our events or campaigns.
Please take heed of the fact that all official news and updates are announced only via Klaytn’s official social media accounts and the official Klaytn website.
Furthermore, using trademarks of Klaytn, Kaikas or Klip without permission constitutes an unlawful use with no legal foundation as well as a serious infringement of the rights to the trademarks. Please note that Klaytn and GroundX will take necessary legal action on these matters and those responsible will be held to account.
Thank you.
Klaytn Team
Dear Customers,
Klaytn would like to make the following announcement:
Recently, there have been reports of fraudulent activities such as scam ads and smishing from accounts falsely claiming to represent Klaytn or a GroundX partner on messengers like Telegram and other social media channels, while unlawfully using our trademarks.
Please note that Klaytn hosts all of its events (or airdrops) only via our official website, Facebook and other channels, and we do not ask for your private information (ID, email address, public key, private key) on messengers or social media; nor do we ask for any type of cryptocurrencies as a condition for participating in our events or campaigns.
Please take heed of the fact that all official news and updates are announced only via Klaytn’s official social media accounts and the official Klaytn website.
Furthermore, using trademarks of Klaytn, Kaikas or Klip without permission constitutes an unlawful use with no legal foundation as well as a serious infringement of the rights to the trademarks. Please note that Klaytn and GroundX will take necessary legal action on these matters and those responsible will be held to account.
Thank you.
Klaytn Team
It reminds me of similar security messages i get so often from my fiat ebank when i log on.
Is that to much for a crypto community to do ?
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Fake live feed of a prominent Eth developer embedded in a static background with the giveaway adress.
Well YouTube just banned the video.
I think they are becoming more fast.
Thats good.
What is not good is that after one year of attacks they dont feel a need to warn their users in a more permanent way.
I still found that ethically questionable. All the main cryptos sites shuold put an small warning when someone first
visits their sites.
Fake live feed of a prominent Eth developer embedded in a static background with the giveaway adress.
Well YouTube just banned the video.
I think they are becoming more fast.
Thats good.
What is not good is that after one year of attacks they dont feel a need to warn their users in a more permanent way.
I still found that ethically questionable. All the main cryptos sites shuold put an small warning when someone first
visits their sites.
I have fallen for a ADA gateway site. I have downloaded the site . But unfortunately cardano commynity after a 10 month scam attacks stil
doent have a db of rogue adresses or any task force. They said what is done is done.
So i am curious , how is there a reason to track their ip or ipv6 or it is a last cause?
doent have a db of rogue adresses or any task force. They said what is done is done.
So i am curious , how is there a reason to track their ip or ipv6 or it is a last cause?
I've heard the 100% sovereignty argument before.
But i think it hides responsibilities of other actors more powerfull in the cryptosystem and ofcourse of youbube and
could be an excuse of inertia and indifference.
I think every tech has its supporters and its newcomers.
So pointing the finger to the responsibility of a newcomer is founded when a community/organization has
done sth to warn or educate. So has he? I think the last 10 months speak ofthemselves.
Dirty addresses in cardano have touched 360.000.000 ada atleast.
I feel that in our case there is relactancy to warn because there is greed and fomo in equal scales
to supporters as newcomers.
Meaning, that warnings could put a tag to the business as not newbie friendly and scare people away and press prices.
So i find it at least questionable when a cryptonetwork attract newcomers by nice stories but hides
an attack on the same newcomers .
But i think it hides responsibilities of other actors more powerfull in the cryptosystem and ofcourse of youbube and
could be an excuse of inertia and indifference.
I think every tech has its supporters and its newcomers.
So pointing the finger to the responsibility of a newcomer is founded when a community/organization has
done sth to warn or educate. So has he? I think the last 10 months speak ofthemselves.
Dirty addresses in cardano have touched 360.000.000 ada atleast.
I feel that in our case there is relactancy to warn because there is greed and fomo in equal scales
to supporters as newcomers.
Meaning, that warnings could put a tag to the business as not newbie friendly and scare people away and press prices.
So i find it at least questionable when a cryptonetwork attract newcomers by nice stories but hides
an attack on the same newcomers .
Taking into accounts some recent events a think another possible apocalypse could be caused by poisoing the blockchain with
dirty addresses that would lead to over ligitation that would spiral price to 2010 levels.
dirty addresses that would lead to over ligitation that would spiral price to 2010 levels.
A few days ago i fell for a ADA giveaway scam on youtube.
Casually at the end of my workday i relax watching youtube videos ( i dont have an account) so
i refresh , see what the 'algorithm' thinks i'd like to see and learn and have fan.
I was searcing for ADA lately so i clicked to see Mr. Hoskinson spaeking on a ''live'' event embedded
in an image linking to adaget site .
Believe me or not i tried to search the cardano explorer for the txs listed. But i was under the spell
to 'Hurry' . So enchanted i dropped the effort and fell while a part of me urged me to doublecheck the urgency , combined
with the youtube 'relaxed' mind state made my defenses vanish. Also lets dont forget the prevailing sentiments of greed
and fomo that are common to cryptousers.
And the funny is secs after i hit the send button i awoke , i understand.
I emailed for abuse where i thougth was appropriate.
Now imagine my surprise when i learnt that the youtube scam is a year old!
Wozniak and Ripple Labs have sued youtube july 2020.
And Hoskinson scam also are 8
Casually at the end of my workday i relax watching youtube videos ( i dont have an account) so
i refresh , see what the 'algorithm' thinks i'd like to see and learn and have fan.
I was searcing for ADA lately so i clicked to see Mr. Hoskinson spaeking on a ''live'' event embedded
in an image linking to adaget site .
Believe me or not i tried to search the cardano explorer for the txs listed. But i was under the spell
to 'Hurry' . So enchanted i dropped the effort and fell while a part of me urged me to doublecheck the urgency , combined
with the youtube 'relaxed' mind state made my defenses vanish. Also lets dont forget the prevailing sentiments of greed
and fomo that are common to cryptousers.
And the funny is secs after i hit the send button i awoke , i understand.
I emailed for abuse where i thougth was appropriate.
Now imagine my surprise when i learnt that the youtube scam is a year old!
Wozniak and Ripple Labs have sued youtube july 2020.
And Hoskinson scam also are 8
But isnt it too much to ask from newcomers to a crypto to be able to cope with elaborate scam that involves youtube hijacking , (let me remind when you watch youtube you are in a mood to learn , have fun), by displaying videos of public Cardano persons embedded in frames to link to the scam sites, site designed to exploit the general fomo and greed that are the prevailing emotions even to old crypto users?
So isnt theres a line when propably a community should raise a red flag (with a permanent warning to its main etrance points : main sites , wallets , videos from their public personas etc)? Even if that means a temp price decline?
Is it ethical to promote a crypto with round and nice images while you know a major elaborate scam is taking place?
So isnt theres a line when propably a community should raise a red flag (with a permanent warning to its main etrance points : main sites , wallets , videos from their public personas etc)? Even if that means a temp price decline?
Is it ethical to promote a crypto with round and nice images while you know a major elaborate scam is taking place?
As a newcomer to ADA , i fell for a scam youtube website .
Using https://cardanoscan.io i managed to trace my ADA to an address that has 140.000.000 ADA.
So lets call this a dirty address.
I found another connected to that with 220,400,019.
So that is 360.000.000 dirty little ada ...
I write to express my wonder when i learned that the scam site business is rolling a year now , and the cardano community have trouble stopping it.
For their defense even youtube seems that cant stop those scam videos.
So is there hope? Have other coins had coordinated scam site attacks with that duration and if yes how did they manage to contain it?
Using https://cardanoscan.io i managed to trace my ADA to an address that has 140.000.000 ADA.
So lets call this a dirty address.
I found another connected to that with 220,400,019.
So that is 360.000.000 dirty little ada ...
I write to express my wonder when i learned that the scam site business is rolling a year now , and the cardano community have trouble stopping it.
For their defense even youtube seems that cant stop those scam videos.
So is there hope? Have other coins had coordinated scam site attacks with that duration and if yes how did they manage to contain it?
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