The experiment:

I was doing an experiment and I have a question that I wasn't able to answer myself.

I will post some real data here (but not private keys etc).

I have a fully airgaped computer, where I installed Bitcoin Core and I created a wallet.

I got an address from there bc1qfrmthac4es7fpw5yhl7cu9kvedsgj7levwxv5g and sent some sats there.

I then stored the encrypted wallet.dat in another usb stick for backup.

I also got the descriptors of the wallet using the command listdescriptors:


Then, I decided, to import the descriptors on Sparrow wallet to see if I would be able to create a simple watch-only wallet.

Sparrow didn't let me import two descriptors on the same wallet, so I had to google it and someone suggested to import the descriptor like this:


Notice the <0;1> in the path, which I suspect is to get both receiving and change addresses.

To my surprise, it looked like it worked perfectly, but...

I decided to import the descriptors on my full node (bitcoin core) to create a watch-only wallet there too, so I did:


The "strange" result:

In Bitcoin Core, it looks like my addresses (when I click to generate a new address) are correct, but it generates the Receive addresses that Sparrow considers to be the Change addresses.

In simpler terms, it looks like:

Bitcoin Core -> Receive Address = Sparrow -> Change Address

My question:

Even though the answer may be the simplest one, like that I have confused the descriptors when importing them, or that Sparrow doesn't work well with the <0;1>, I would like to ask for a clear justification.

Честно говоря, я не проверял.
Мне буквально не нравится цепной анализ, потому что он дает ложное представление о том, что действительно существуют «грязные» монеты. Но биткойн - это валюта, а значит, что бы вы ни делали, «грязные» монеты будут.


Большое спасибо!

Спасибо, что указали на это, очень важно, что такие люди, как вы, пытаются обучать новичков на ошибках других пользователей.
Небольшая поправка, сумма была 0,012555, а не 0,12555, к счастью!

No, Bisq is a software that:
1) facilitates users to transact and exchange assets & currencies
2) is peer-to-peer
3) is decentralised, meaning that there's no central authority acting as middleware in the transactions

Bisq isn't a software that launders money. It's not a tool to distort the history of the coins you own, rendering them untreacable.

You can use Bisq to convert your Bitcoin to other currencies (both crypto currencies and fiat currencies).

For example:
(a) you can sell BTC for GBP and receive the GBP on revolut.
(b) you can buy BTC spending EUR in the form of an amazon giftcard.
(c) you can exchange BTC for ETH and vice-versa.

Like Trevoid said, if you want to, basically confuse, chain analysis companies and make them lose you traces you can indeed convert BTC to XMR.
If you do so, only you and the person who sells you the XMR knows about this transaction.
Owning XMR and spending in XMR can be good for privacy because Monero is a private coin, meaning it can't be definitively traced back.
If you want to keep BTC, you can convert to XMR and then back to BTC, but in this case you will receive a UTXO that you have no idea where it comes from. Which is exactly what happens with your initial BTC that you had. So it doesn't help, unless you know for a fact that you must for some reason get rid of the BTC you have and get random BTC in return.

Yes, I probably will do it as soon as possible, thanks for the suggestion.
There is a security aspect as well when using a linux machine without doing proper user management, but I don't have the necessary knowledge (and time) to cover it.
So if you spot this as a possible issue, it's known, but kind of ignored.

Sorry you mean my guide is outdated? Or the other one for 3b?
Perhaps I should also revisit my guide when I have the time, regardless of it being truly outdated or not.

It can be discussed in another thread, because it's a big deal and innovation and, as such, it has its advantages and its drawbacks. However, it's true that saving a seed phrase, on any medim -even the most durable one-, can cause some stress because if a seed phrase is found and it's not part of a multi-sig, or a passphrase, or anything isn't encrypted, then the wallet can be emptied. In sort, saving a seed phrase in plain text, on any medium, can be stressful, at least for me.

Bonus point for the seedless setup, if you have a 2-of-3 multisig with 3 different devices as cosigners, then you must store the XPUBS somewhere (or the wallet configuration). But, that's all it takes. If you have the configuration and the 3 devices, you don't need to write down any seed as a backup.

Yes it looks like most people I 've asked outside the forum do just that.


I don't really care for popularity. I believe Tor isn't very popular because of its speed limits, but I may be wrong. I 've just downloaded LibreWolf to test it. Let's see.


Could it be this one? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/
I am not using uBlock Origin, so I can't tell for sure.
I just downloaded it to check it though.


Yeah, less hustle is always better in my opinion.

Yes, but isn't it better if features are presented and developed as BIPs so that they can be included (or considered to be included) in the majority of the wallet software out there?

Thanks. The newest update is that there is no update I am making fun out of it, because otherwise it sucks.

Yes, Godex doesn't appear on kycnot.me, but it used to appears on Bitlist and I 'd like to kindly ask @icopress and @inspace to take a look at this thread.

Yes because most beginners think that hardware wallets store coins. In general the word "wallet" has misled many beginners into thinking that a wallet stores actual bitcoin instead of keys. And, on the other hand, it's difficult to explain to a beginner (especially to those who are completely tech-ignorant), what is a cryptographic key and how it can be stored on a device.

Oops, sorry, I interpreted this as a question, but perhaps it was rhetorical:




Yes, but it doesn't really matter because nobody can anything about it. The self-custody aspect reigns when you use Bisq. The problems arise when you use any service that takes full control of your coins.

Yes Cricktor, I will add it and thanks for letting me know.

So, essentially Brave is like Firefox with ad-blocking addons. I knew that, I am just verifying with other users that it works well.


Good one, I will definitely keep an eye on its development. And, yes, you are right about all these browsers that are based on Firefox and Chromium.


I don't necessarily need another one, but I am always interested in testing new stuff. Software is great when you 're used to using it, but it's also a trap of staying back. So far, I am happy with my setup, but if you think about it, I could merge bullets (1) and (2) using a browser that has a native ad-blocking feature instead of needing an add-on.


Alright, I will keep an eye on it. Thanks!

The difference is big because it's like 60% of the original dataset.

I don't really know if it's unlikely, because doing time-related calculations is not my specialty. But, in my opinion it's worth knowing how many total arrangements of the words exist. Obviously the great majority of them isn't a valid seed phrase.

Καλησπέρα, δεν είναι σωστά όσα περιγράφεις.

Αφενός, το post στο οποίο κάνεις quote είναι σχεδόν 6 ετών πια. Οπότε έχουν αλλάξει πάρα πολλά από τότε.
Αφετέρου, το Pi είναι πλέον κανονικά tradeable σε αρκετά ανταλλακτήρια, με πιο γνωστά τα BitGet και OKX.
Μπορείς κανονικά να στείλεις τα coins σου εκεί και να μην χρησιμοποιήσεις IOUs.
Η τρέχουσα τιμή του είναι $0.59.

Yeah a bundled VPN could be a good option. I mainly use 2 VPN providers which are very well known. I use NordVPN and Mullvad. But, a browser with a bundled VPN is definitely worth checking out and considering.

So you have 50 words scattered on a piece of paper and you want to find the correct 12 ones in the correct order.

This gives you 50!/(50-12)! = 58,150,627,116,341,760,000 total permutations.

You need 1 out of them.

Yes, I am checking every day Fortunately (or unfortunately), my coins are there, sitting in front of a nice balcony, watching the waves and the sharks, in the Seychelles, since 2025-04-29.

I searhed it on Tronscan, but it caused an error, so I guess it's not Tron.

What you're looking for is TON: "A decentralized and open internet designed to onboard 500M people on-chain, built by the community using technology developed by Telegram."

I will just, prefer to not talk about it again, sorry


Yes this must be Solana.