I'm in this business for profit, too. The profit comes from the sales of the product, here it is a new cryptocurrency.
In blockchain world, there is technology and need for managing the coin by the community, which is so called "democracy".
For BTCZ it was the main value and a magnet for common people, then whales - because the idea is naturally growing a stable foundations, which are most wanted on this market by investors. Transparent democracy coin ("By the people for the people") was what most of us bought as a product. As it occurs there is a gap between this message and what is done and rather what is not done. Also there are cases that prove this (not following the voting decisions, not letting some decisions to be voted and terrorizing other community members by misusing the power of being able to decide over who is present at the community space).
Some bigger investors were ignored because two guys said they will get too much share and tell them what to do.... crazy but ok....however after few months they accept 10BTC and tell us that was a will from the investor to get onto some little know exchange and ignoring by this the voting (people voted for other exchange)
Where is the logic? Everybody who looks at this for a while just thinks how to get away and secure his assets.
I understand that kind of truth may be like a punch in a face for someone. I have been attacked from many sides pushing this discussion to the level of my personal problems.Developers never answered any serious questions by ignoring them and just insulting other side. I personally know a few american jewish investors who sold out quite big % of the whole cap back in march. Their comment was "nobody serious will touch this".

Volumes are rather small. Since march it has not noticed any increase. Just regular decrease of value.
This coin is based on strong belief of people, so the decrease is rather small but regular. People realize how this 'democracy' work.
It is not a democracy where two people decide over thousands if they are right with their goals or not. In rightful democracy - the leaders are servants of the people.
Devs dont like discussions on bitcointalk.org... Is it because you can't just silence someone here with a ban, you need to answer?
Developers of BTCZ are now hiding among their community. They surely have full support there,
mainly because they have kicked from discord slack and telegram everyone that had different view and wanted to discuss it.
Sad but true, this coin is not going to survive the market transformations that is ahead.

Hmm, TRON - TRX is now to become a pioneer in blockchain democracy. That is the thing I proposed BTCZ to implement that led to oust me off the developers team. Now it's clear that it's kind of a missed chance that we had here guys

"The reasons for Tron switching over from PoS to DPoS are many:
(...)
Safer validation since the delegate is elected based on a consent democratic system
Investors can decide who becomes a super representative through democratic elections"
https://ambcrypto.com/tron-trx-switches-from-pos-to-dpos-reasons-explained/

Developer does not have to be a coder.
I would suggest you to check the definition of "developer'.
I havent been to bitcointalk before Feb . I was present at btcz slack, discord. There I was given 'dev' badge. Sure, you can deny it now... I dont care. But you ask, so I answer.
I tried to register before on bitcointalk, but I could not. Somehow my ip was blocked when I registered with bartek_hl. It asked me to pay some fraction of BTC just to register so I did not care. I came here after I was blocked from any communication channels by two people, who I mentioned above.

 That is the reason of bartek_hl2. You can call it conspiracy. You can see Anthony everywhere - it is not my problem. I am trying to suggest in not too invasive way, that you are wrong with your assumption. Go ahead and keep your belief. I have no satisfaction looking at btcz still losing while other coins jump back in value. I am a person who likes projects as a nice working machinery. If I see something is wrong I am trying to repair. I have intuition for this.

But you can try to stick some other shit on me, argue with me that I mean nothing to this project. I really don't give a damn about its future anymore.

You ask if I am Anthony..... haven't you taken your pills today?) You really cannot believe that there is more than one person who critisize?
Is it a business project or church of scientology, where you chase down every opponent;)?

I only say that the developer team just took all my advice into action, just after they ousted me off the project. I am ok with that, it does not hurt me. But I expose every f..r that will try to use me like this. And thats what I do now.

I did my job, informed you about the truth,I tried to help. I just think now that all the clear. Either businessmind headz left this coin long time ago, or these are the times of the lemmings and pathological conformism.

Oh so now they implement what I had been ousted by them for. I clearly stated back some months ago that without face, officials this coin won't go anywhere. Then I was accused of trying to boss everybody etc.  For me - a discussion is a form of exchanging the ideas, not beliefs. When someone asks for a change it may not mean him implementing exactly what he says, but it is an invitation to discuss things and find solution to some visible problem. Instead of discussion I was accused of being 'the bad one' and ousted by two guys.
My harsh  tone is directed not to the community but to some individuals that clearly broke the rules. Look at posts. Bad language is always happening only from one side (not mine) . This is what brings bad feelings of the community attached to my person. As a person who studied psychology these processes are clear for me. But not everyone is taught to see them. That was a classic lynch.. and I never agreed to this. I am fighter, not a victim.

 I was a developer of this coin from November 2017 to February 2018. So I think I had some right to influence. I was here earlier than some of you. However it does not mean that newcommers should have not same rights.

Maybe my tone is sometimes harsh. But I had no other idea to focus you people on the real threats for your assets (and mine too).
The truth may hurt the untruthful. I learned this through life.
If you ask for work more - I need support from some people. I am talking here the truth but I am not your Messiah. I have my own business to deal with. BUt if a group of people come up as a support I would have some foundation to ask to be brought back to the community. However some people should publicly apologize for a faul language before anything of that happens.

That is your choice people. I had presented here my analyse - what is good, what is bad, what needs to change. I did everything to deliver my msg. Now it is your turn people...

At first - thank you for pointing the discussion to the proposal. I would like you to go a bit deeper in the scheme frame I am proposing.

 The person representing the community should be elected for term cadency(2years?), and by voting amongst people that decided to propose their way for the coin to the community. This is our job to make this position as much requiring as it would give self-realizing for the person willing to take up this challenge. As for me - this is not a job to do after hours. Several thousands members of the community need more time. This is serious task and should come with a potential reward.  I really am convinced there is no free work. But there is a potential here for the community to accept or not every agreement.

Also please stay realistic. We are not that revolutionary as Apple nor Litecoin. There is no place in here for a remarkable icon as Steve Jobs. There is a place for a person that would bring up all the pieces together and represent the community to the outside world. We already had issues about big investor who was willing to help us but never sat to the table because none of devs was officially representing the coin.
At last - the voting should decide whose vision is to be implemented.

Analysing my proposition you should see that in fact I am against any form of dictatorship and ruling of just one person. The above system is about to give the community the foundations of an advanced form of Network Democracy where the people have control over who represents them and who leads and schedules the main processes.

Here are the poll results. 20% of voters support the idea that the community should be represented by one person, elected in democratic way.
He may be called a leader, manager ... But in fact that is a great hard job now to take responsibility for all the processes that are being run now around this project.
20% - without any preparation, and with blocked access to any of the community channels... That is almost half of 50% needed for majority.
 If one call me thief, liar, scam, troll it is only showing how interested in real development one is.Because all I put here are the ideas. I feel respectful for the community. And this is the main core of my motives to be here. When I was developer and learned the principles I noticed that bunch of people work against it.
Voting is the highest power in this community. Ignoring the will of community should be constitutionally blocked by leading to losing power automatically.
https://twitter.com/BartekHiLevel/status/1016287127741587456

"cryptorex: No they’re not kidding  - they did the same shit for winter break and it can really fuck a project up.  This exchange is pure shit.  Thankfully we have many many more since winter of 2017"

everyone who does something against you guys is a scam and thief..... Id rather say that its your fault that you did not plan changing the algorithm and did not check the agreement with c-cex. I think C-CEX has a point in contract that is obliging them to make one algo. After change they want next 4 BTC. It's natural. I would rather see ideas on how to adjust to this rather than calling the biggest exchange that this coin is listed at - a scam... With all respect but this is not how mature people run business guys. You just close every door this way. It is just sad to see this project being hurt by such bad management.

If I stole it then you can submit claim to YT. Nothing is holding you back. Without documents, people calling me a thief are just small brain dogs, attacking people with other views on the case.
Reading is half of the success. You also have to understand. I'd suggest this to you. I replied to these false accusations before. wont do it again.
video is available. It is only bad will of your so-called leader that they rip you off using it,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa1QzhtqsTU

So there is another artist graphician screwed by them. This just prove the scheme of work of the selfmade "gods" of BTCZ, who dare to decide over the voting of hundreds of people:

1) Lure someone in, use him to work for the project.
2)After someone is getting recognized for their hard work - provoke and ban. You did this to Anthony who invented this coin and you ousted him the same way. You did this to me . And you did this to Kassolari. I know at least two more people screwed same way.
3) This is 21st century. These methods are easy to be seen. You have to be a complete idiot if you think that will work long-term

There is some last chance for you guys to save your face and step down. DO the voting about electing leader . Not a king , but a MANAGER (YES .....the word you are so affraid of)
in short words - one fellow who feels responsible for what he does. However stop these pathetic actions.Stop ranting everyone who has different view. You are not the owners of the coin to decide over community will. Egyptianman once compared himself to CHarlie Lee of LTC..............how a pushy guy you are. He said this coin does not need to be lead by managers because e.g. LTC was founded by coder). DO not comapre to him. You are quite at different level.And this project is a totally different project. Another time , place and space. You dont have a clue about business.

This project needs hard work , business attitude and leveling up each day. You do not do this. You only make mess. Save your face and plan step down and give BitcoinZ BACK to the hands of the community. Because now if you ignore community means that  you stole the whole project by a hostile takeover. 

P.S. please respond with facts about coin, not me. This project is about BitcoinZ , not bartekhl. You have to explain this to people in a serious way, not like first graders."

I am sorry about bringing this here. It is not nice to read it. I tried to talk this over on other channels (not public) but I was blocked. I asked for the community voting over the issues that we did not agree. But instead of real business talk I was banned from all channels. Yes - it is hard not to get provoked and keep coldblood when 3 guys attacks you one by one.
The community was informed then that I wanted to monetize the video so I moved it to my channel. It was just like a stab in the back.
But from the community side - this is the issue of marketing, big promotion that the video was paid from your money. Look at my posts, I only try to make their say why did they do not use this. There is a reason for their foggy explanations but Cryptorex had just admit above that the contract was filled.
Unless they decide to throw away something the community voted and paid it is a great misconduct.
Also paying 10BTC to EXMO exchange without a voting, ignoring the valid votes.That is acting to the detriment of the company. straight.
These are the facts. I am not a person who makes this problem personal. But I will react everytime I see misinformation like calling my name a thief etc. I will not tolerate this. I am here under my name and I wont let to spread lies about me.

I feel obliged to make you aware of the problem. I know that this coin could have progressed much better.

Cryptorex - havent you missed some part of the story? That  Equipool deleted my credentials from below the video?
I explained to him why the credit has to stay but there were no way of trying to find compromise. I was threatened and instantly banned. I asked to be mentioned under the video.  JUST THIS. After then I was instantly banned. I was left with no choice but to write to YT  they reviewed the case. They gave you time to respond to get the video back. After no respond from you - they deleted your video.I  moved the video to my channel. It is available , ready to use. I informed you but you'd rather f... up the whole marketing than have a listen. The video had 200 likes and was really boosting. You tried to rip off me but you managed to rip off the community.

 Equipool - I will not call, I will write an official letter that your company will have to respond.
Actually my friend lawyer told me that this is some way to getting you consequences of your actions.
I speak as Bartek Stachyra a.k.a HiLevel - I am a music producer, manager and analyst. this is my name and I don't have to hide.
The ones who keep their identity a secret must also have some secret motives.

18% of people asked for change by my poll on twitter.
Knowing the fact that the devs made all the believers rush to vote support them it is a good sign.
If you think this project needs Change vote here next two days.
https://twitter.com/BartekHiLevel/status/1016287127741587456

The video is there, present on youtube. The contract was to make a video and publish it. 100% done.
Can you explain what do you mean by "stole"?

This is only your choice that you do not use it. a choice against the community will.


I said to you that if you call me this way again I will contact your employer. I will ask them how they feel about being represented by a man doing hate speech in the internet. Have a good night.

Using my music was a part of a voted contract. As well as using Fiverr. I confirmed every step with other developers before proceeding.
Here is the part of my contract.

"1 minute 30 second video
Script written by a professional writer from Fiverr (most of the cost)
Additional graphics from creativemarket.com
Adding voice recording
Video edition and music from my (bartekhl @slack) collection "

here is the link to the contract: https://docs.google.com/document/d/13OspN1gfxOTO1Ek-TtSOvpjowS3a-x4DnJTDODZ_t_w/edit

Honestly I don't know what opinion you have in this but I like your poetry. Its not nice to see that kind of conversation, I understand it is difficult.
However, sometimes the duty is more important than wellbeing. Your posts triggers thinking process.

@renuzit I respect you - I understand your view, you may have different than mine and maybe you thought that I am an idiot more than once. But you never crossed the line of respect. You are my candidate for a leader.

By "crap" I would rather treat phrases like "GTFO" or "you stole from us" . I never used that kind of name-calling. It is just unprofessional.
That is the language used by the ones who decide over community money. This coin deserves better than this. This is not representative for the community.

I tried to show some ideas and get them under voting. After 4months of working on this project I thought to have right to ask the community for their opinion. But I was banned from all the channels.

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here you are sir:
1) VOTING FOR BINANCE EXCHAnGE - 135 Votes in total - 100% voted to pay to go on Binance.
Not implemented. No dates given to fulfill the community will.
https://forum.btcz.rocks/t/proposal-for-binance-exchange/119


2) VOTING for Cryptopia - 115 Votes - 65% for yes.
Not implemented. No dates given to fulfill the community will.
https://forum.btcz.rocks/t/proposal-for-cryptopia-exchange/118

3) EX.MO exchange wasn't even cosidered in voting but these guys decided by themselves how to spend the community's
10 BTC - equivalent of 70 000 USD. Maybe EX.MO are some of your friends? Maybe you got some kickback for this decision without any business ground ?


4) and again - video production. Community voted, community paid. But you even did not put the information that it had been done.
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Should I dig more?