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Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
Price is already at 0.008 on bittrex. This will go further down if this stupid policies won´t stop.
1. Why its not possible to sellout Byteball stakeholder proportionately and not via Lottery ?
2. Why does someone with more then 1000 GB Byteball being penalized with only getting 0.01 Points for the airdrop instead of 0.1 Points like regular ? What it the incentive, should they sell their stakes ?
1. Why its not possible to sellout Byteball stakeholder proportionately and not via Lottery ?
2. Why does someone with more then 1000 GB Byteball being penalized with only getting 0.01 Points for the airdrop instead of 0.1 Points like regular ? What it the incentive, should they sell their stakes ?
Did you joined cryptocurrencies last week? Byteball is volatile, for very long period it was around 0.007 (it went even as low as 0.006), this week rallied to 0.010 and now has come down to 0.008 again.
1. Not sure what you mean, there are even bigger distribution than this draw, other distribution are still running and the last draw winner has not dumped their winnings. Only ones that harm Byteball price are the FUDsters and weak hands.
2. There was too much whale dominance for the first week draw, so after first draw, rules were changed to give people with smaller amount of bytes fairer amount of points to compete with whales.
Ignorant, check my profile and you will see I am longer here then you or do I have to send you another screenshot?
1. You didnt answer my question. Why is the weekly draw airdrop distributed with a lottery instead of sharing the rewards along all participants ?
2. So people accumulating Byteballs over the time to help growing the community are being punished right now ?
Fairness and transparency to keep the loyal crowd is imo more important than anything else.
1. You have been so long here and yet you still haven't figured out that 1 un-attested address is not as same as 1 participant? Any un-attested user could create as many wallets as they like. If I generate 1000 wallets and you only 1 and there is no way to tell the difference then obviously I get 1000 times more rewards than you if the distribution is distributed based on participants.
2. Nobody is punished, you are not required to pay anything to participate in the draw, but being attested helps. The goal is to give both fair chance to win even when one is clearly richer than other and even when one found out about Byteball earlier than the other. In real life, in order to participate in lottery, the richest people have the highest chance to win with the lottery because they can buy lot more lottery tickets than poor.
1. If I have 1000 wallets with 1 GB on it, it should give me obviously the same amount of points as if I have 1 wallet with 1000 GB on it. Easy mathematics, no ?
If you refer to the real-name attestation and the complicated point system, it needs to be removed as their is no need to have it anyway.
2. Its cleary a punishing of loyal and over the time, Byteball accumulating people as the motivation is to reward only users with low amount of Byteballs or user which will cheat the system creating various real-name attestations.
Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
Price is already at 0.008 on bittrex. This will go further down if this stupid policies won´t stop.
1. Why its not possible to sellout Byteball stakeholder proportionately and not via Lottery ?
2. Why does someone with more then 1000 GB Byteball being penalized with only getting 0.01 Points for the airdrop instead of 0.1 Points like regular ? What it the incentive, should they sell their stakes ?
1. Why its not possible to sellout Byteball stakeholder proportionately and not via Lottery ?
2. Why does someone with more then 1000 GB Byteball being penalized with only getting 0.01 Points for the airdrop instead of 0.1 Points like regular ? What it the incentive, should they sell their stakes ?
Did you joined cryptocurrencies last week? Byteball is volatile, for very long period it was around 0.007 (it went even as low as 0.006), this week rallied to 0.010 and now has come down to 0.008 again.
1. Not sure what you mean, there are even bigger distribution than this draw, other distribution are still running and the last draw winner has not dumped their winnings. Only ones that harm Byteball price are the FUDsters and weak hands.
2. There was too much whale dominance for the first week draw, so after first draw, rules were changed to give people with smaller amount of bytes fairer amount of points to compete with whales.
Ignorant, check my profile and you will see I am longer here then you or do I have to send you another screenshot?
1. You didnt answer my question. Why is the weekly draw airdrop distributed with a lottery instead of sharing the rewards along all participants ?
2. So people accumulating Byteballs over the time to help growing the community are being punished right now ?
Fairness and transparency to keep the loyal users is imo more important than anything else.
Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
Price is already at 0.008 on bittrex. This will go further down if this stupid policies won´t stop.
1. Why its not possible to sellout Byteball stakeholder proportionately and not via Lottery ?
2. Why does someone with more then 1000 GB Byteball being penalized with only getting 0.01 Points for the airdrop instead of 0.1 Points like regular ? What it the incentive, should they sell their stakes ?
1. Why its not possible to sellout Byteball stakeholder proportionately and not via Lottery ?
2. Why does someone with more then 1000 GB Byteball being penalized with only getting 0.01 Points for the airdrop instead of 0.1 Points like regular ? What it the incentive, should they sell their stakes ?
Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
I would crash the market with selling GBYTE only worth 5 Bitcoin.
As for now I am absolutly ok to put my money where my mouth is, how about offering me a bid wall on 0.0090, I will sell into it no matter the size of it..
As for now I am absolutly ok to put my money where my mouth is, how about offering me a bid wall on 0.0090, I will sell into it no matter the size of it..
That's not how "put your money where your mouth is" works, you would actually need to send the bytes to exchange and put the sell order up. Otherwise it's as much worth as me saying that I will put 10 BTC buy order when it drops to 0.008.
The actual price is 0.009 and not 0.008. But there you have my sell order up on 0.009. Now show us that you are not a chicken and buy into it.
But as you are a chicken and offtopic anyway, I won´t post anything related to your "put your money where your mouth is".
You are odd one, I was calling you out to put your 5 BTC sell order, which you said would crash the market. I said anybody can threaten to something, but it's worthless if the don't actually do it.
I did not offer them to buy, i gave you an example why just words don't maţter. Where is the market crash from your 5 BTC bag?
At the moment a market sell order of Bytes worth even 4.0747 BTC would have crashed the price from 0.009 right to 0.0076, so this is not a crash for you?
Here the order book just for you:
Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
I would crash the market with selling GBYTE only worth 5 Bitcoin.
As for now I am absolutly ok to put my money where my mouth is, how about offering me a bid wall on 0.0090, I will sell into it no matter the size of it..
As for now I am absolutly ok to put my money where my mouth is, how about offering me a bid wall on 0.0090, I will sell into it no matter the size of it..
That's not how "put your money where your mouth is" works, you would actually need to send the bytes to exchange and put the sell order up. Otherwise it's as much worth as me saying that I will put 10 BTC buy order when it drops to 0.008.
The actual price is 0.009 and not 0.008. But there you have my sell order up on 0.009. Now show us that you are not a chicken and buy into it.
But as you are a chicken and offtopic anyway, I won´t post anything related to your "put your money where your mouth is".
Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
Agreed!
I don't participate in this nonsense either.
It has been proven that the regime is not concerned at all with increasing the number of users. There are other options, but they have been completely ignored for almost two years.
I don't participate in this nonsense either.
It has been proven that the regime is not concerned at all with increasing the number of users. There are other options, but they have been completely ignored for almost two years.
Not participating is the very least, I am considering selling hugh stakes of my Byteballs. I hope these guy of bobq is not anyhow in any administrative position, his way of thinking will be the death of Byteball.
Not sure what you have to lose with linking un-attested address, nobody forces you to do any attestation. Real name attestation is for people with few GBYTE, staying un-attested is for whales and now they are more equal because previously it was off.
Put your money where your mouth is, there is only 3159 GBYTE for sale orders on Bittrex, yet 43442 GBYTE for buy orders and volume lower than most days.
My address is already linked and the reward is 0.01 for un-attested address now while it is 0.1 for attested address + 1 for the first 10 GBYTE of attested address.
Yes I might attest my address asking someone, attesting for me, if its even possible afterwards.
All these actions looks for me like someone want to take advantage of the rules of this airdrop, including the fact that rules are changed afterwards possibily to someones favor.
And after all I prefer to stay anonymous as it would be theoretically possible not only to refer the attest to my GBYTES, but also to my Bitcoins from the initial airdrops.
I would crash the market with selling GBYTE only worth 5 Bitcoin.
As for now I am absolutly ok to put my money where my mouth is, how about offering me a bid wall on 0.0090, I will sell into it no matter the size of it..
Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
The rules for the next draw (@bittybox you were first to notice):
* Real-name attested addresses get 1 point per GB of balance up to 10 GB, plus 0.1 point for each GB between 10 GB and 1000 GB, plus 0.01 point for each GB above 1000 GB.
* Unattested addresses get 0.01 point per GB of balance.
* 0.1 point is awarded for each GB of balance increase since the previous draw.
* 0.2 point is deducted for each GB of balance decrease since the previous draw.
The change introduces 0.01 coefficient for unattested addresses and very large attested addresses. As a result, the weight of whales is further reduced.
The page http://draw.byteball.org/ now displays whale dominance % at the bottom.
* Real-name attested addresses get 1 point per GB of balance up to 10 GB, plus 0.1 point for each GB between 10 GB and 1000 GB, plus 0.01 point for each GB above 1000 GB.
* Unattested addresses get 0.01 point per GB of balance.
* 0.1 point is awarded for each GB of balance increase since the previous draw.
* 0.2 point is deducted for each GB of balance decrease since the previous draw.
The change introduces 0.01 coefficient for unattested addresses and very large attested addresses. As a result, the weight of whales is further reduced.
The page http://draw.byteball.org/ now displays whale dominance % at the bottom.
Also the partecipation of privacy-concerned community members will be further reduced. Everyone with just a few Gigabytes or even tens of Gibabytes in their wallet and who has privacy concerns and doesn't want to attest their names will have close to zero motivation to play at this game with the 0.01 parameter applied to them. They'd need 100 GB to match the chances of an attested member with just 1 Gb, not really worth any hassle for thise below 1Gb. Of course it costs close to no effort to take part to such a draw even with close to zero chances to win, but motivation to increase one's stake to get the 0.1 point increase at these conditions will be unexistent for the unattested.
I understand that the perfect solution doesn't exist, but in the end the real question is: will this solution effectively enlarge the user base more than it will upset privacy-concerned members?
I don't participate in this nonsense either.
It has been proven that the regime is not concerned at all with increasing the number of users. There are other options, but they have been completely ignored for almost two years.
Not participating is the very least, I am considering selling hugh stakes of my Byteballs. I hope these guy of bobq is not anyhow in any administrative position, his way of thinking will be the death of Byteball.
Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
The adress is here https://explorer.byteball.org/#AZBEPSAXJ3Q2TIUV32UWFTZ3JUEA3SXG.
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him
I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors
EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him
I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors
EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole
Good research!
Well imo this is cheating, the "real-name attestation" rule should not be abused by 1 person to create over 100X "real-name attestations" to get a significant advantage on the lottery. Someone should really check the validity of his "real-name attestations" which is obviously fraud.
Anyway the "real-name attestation" rule is somehow designed to abuse it, should be deactivated as soon as possible and replaced by something else if needed.
These attestations are valid. But looks like someone has a huge network of "friends" who are ready to sell their identities for a few bucks. Every distribution method will be abused to some extent.
It was abused "to some extent" until it was just about the few bucks of the attestation, but now that it extends to the lottery worth GBs for thousands of $ the abuse is reaching a too high and not any more acceptable extent IMHO.
Moreover, to accept this form of abusive behavior would surely encourage others to do the same. Now that it has been exposed, everyone knows exactly how to do that. And many would copy this trick. Do you really want this to happen? After a few draws you would end up with just the abusers taking part to the game.
Those addresses are excluded from the draw. Same about a few more addresses with obvious signs of abuse.
I see two fundamental problems:
1. So people find other ways to exploit the real-name attestation without causing attentation.
2. You will have to act like a dictator (centralization) deciding yourself which address are abusive and which one not.
1. At least it will be harder for them. If your logic would be applied in society we should abolish the police and the judicial system all together since smart thieves may find anyway a way to steal and rob without being caught. Well, if you like that then go to an empty island and create your ideal society where even the most stupid thieves will have the right to steal to others.
2. I have some news for you: Byteball has started as a 100% centralised network where Tony had all the bytes and all the balls and he has been distributing them for a year now in the way which he thinks best to achieve max decentralisation. Not all choices may have been the best ones but they have honestly tried to be the best ones. So all the bytes which still have to be distributed are still centralised in Tony's hands by definition, there is no surprise in that. As for the reference to "dictator", all I can say is that you seem to have a quite confused interpretation of reality.
So we are 1 hour after the first Draw Airdrop and I have found that points have been manipulated.
Bad formulation. Possibly the team has instead tried to FIX the manipolations done by those who have tried to abuse the system. And we can only be greatful for that. Unless, of course, we are the abusers.
Its really stupid to compare 1. rule of an airdrop with how the entire society works.
The easiest way to prevent the "real-name attestation" abuse is not to bonus them and to find other possibilitys to prevent that high stake owners get all of the airdrops. Yes its a challenge, but there are plenty of possibilitys in a relative small environment to be tested.
So until now byteball have had a fair and transparent distribution. But what now happens just seems like arbitrary measures set by someone.
Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
⭐ Merited by LoyceV (1)
So we are 1 hour after the first Draw Airdrop and I have found that points have been manipulated.
@Tonych: Can you please explain why a
wallet: I4T5TYUTGHDHJE47HY6VASWO32AT5FMV
with
10043.662306781 GBYTE
has only
100.43662306781 Points (0.01 Points per GBYTE) (have been reduced recently)
while another wallet: AGCOTJH6NKSEOBGSXQRX27CPBNX5VJN5
with
3540.049522479 GBYTE
hast still
383.0049522479 Points (0.1 Points per GBYTE)
This is just a example, a lot of wallets have been reduced by points.
Screenshot of http://draw.byteball.org/ at 13:00 UTC, 14 December 2018
https://web-capture.net/picture.php?pic_index=1&presentation_method=inline
EDIT:
Someone knows if this manipulation was done before the first Airdrop at 12 UTC ?
More Screenshots:
https://shrinktheweb.snapito.io/v2/webshot/spu-ea68c8-ogi2-3cwn3bmfojjlb56e?size=800x0&screen=1024x768&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdraw.byteball.org%2F
@Tonych: Can you please explain why a
wallet: I4T5TYUTGHDHJE47HY6VASWO32AT5FMV
with
10043.662306781 GBYTE
has only
100.43662306781 Points (0.01 Points per GBYTE) (have been reduced recently)
while another wallet: AGCOTJH6NKSEOBGSXQRX27CPBNX5VJN5
with
3540.049522479 GBYTE
hast still
383.0049522479 Points (0.1 Points per GBYTE)
This is just a example, a lot of wallets have been reduced by points.
Screenshot of http://draw.byteball.org/ at 13:00 UTC, 14 December 2018
https://web-capture.net/picture.php?pic_index=1&presentation_method=inline
EDIT:
Someone knows if this manipulation was done before the first Airdrop at 12 UTC ?
More Screenshots:
https://shrinktheweb.snapito.io/v2/webshot/spu-ea68c8-ogi2-3cwn3bmfojjlb56e?size=800x0&screen=1024x768&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdraw.byteball.org%2F
Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
The adress is here https://explorer.byteball.org/#AZBEPSAXJ3Q2TIUV32UWFTZ3JUEA3SXG.
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him
I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors
EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him
I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors
EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole
Good research!
Well imo this is cheating, the "real-name attestation" rule should not be abused by 1 person to create over 100X "real-name attestations" to get a significant advantage on the lottery. Someone should really check the validity of his "real-name attestations" which is obviously fraud.
Anyway the "real-name attestation" rule is somehow designed to abuse it, should be deactivated as soon as possible and replaced by something else if needed.
These attestations are valid. But looks like someone has a huge network of "friends" who are ready to sell their identities for a few bucks. Every distribution method will be abused to some extent.
It was abused "to some extent" until it was just about the few bucks of the attestation, but now that it extends to the lottery worth GBs for thousands of $ the abuse is reaching a too high and not any more acceptable extent IMHO.
Moreover, to accept this form of abusive behavior would surely encourage others to do the same. Now that it has been exposed, everyone knows exactly how to do that. And many would copy this trick. Do you really want this to happen? After a few draws you would end up with just the abusers taking part to the game.
Those addresses are excluded from the draw. Same about a few more addresses with obvious signs of abuse.
I see two fundamental problems:
1. So people find other ways to exploit the real-name attestation without causing attentation.
2. You will have to act like a dictator (centralization) deciding yourself which address are abusive and which one not.
Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
The adress is here https://explorer.byteball.org/#AZBEPSAXJ3Q2TIUV32UWFTZ3JUEA3SXG.
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him
I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors
EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him
I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors
EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole
Good research!
Well imo this is cheating, the "real-name attestation" rule should not be abused by 1 person to create over 100X "real-name attestations" to get a significant advantage on the lottery. Someone should really check the validity of his "real-name attestations" which is obviously fraud.
Anyway the "real-name attestation" rule is somehow designed to abuse it, should be deactivated as soon as possible and replaced by something else if needed.
Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments
⭐ Merited by kaicrypzen (1)
@tonych * Real-name attested addresses get 1 point per GB of balance up to 10 GB and additionally 0.1 point for each GB above that.
Please, this rule is just perfect for fraud. Here for instance you can see someone using 36 times in a row the "Real-name attest" for approving his in 10 GB chunks splitted Byteballs, to get the full 1 point for every of his 360 GB. He was not even bothering changing the Referral-code. I am sure there is even a lot more people exploiting this "Real-name attestation", it shouldnt be that difficult to get 36 ID copies or people sitting infront of the Screen to get it.
You should remove these extra Points for Real-name attestation to prevent such kind of fraud.
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Please, this rule is just perfect for fraud. Here for instance you can see someone using 36 times in a row the "Real-name attest" for approving his in 10 GB chunks splitted Byteballs, to get the full 1 point for every of his 360 GB. He was not even bothering changing the Referral-code. I am sure there is even a lot more people exploiting this "Real-name attestation", it shouldnt be that difficult to get 36 ID copies or people sitting infront of the Screen to get it.
You should remove these extra Points for Real-name attestation to prevent such kind of fraud.
FFFEUM4LPWXKOWJEKWHFUPPA4JYBLEQF 10 10 1 zuxhu3neub 0
BOX2SYHUCNCSKYAW2U5U5JMUVUGNRUD6 10 10 1 zuxhu3neub 0
LDQMFCCH33IYH7KKT56BT4N4LJ6XFQ5W 10.00723691 10.000723691 1 zuxhu3neub 0
BQY2RSSSVBLC2TIRXST2ZFA3GZLCNE3H 10.000372213 10.0000372213 1 zuxhu3neub 0
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Re: Finanzamt, Steuerrecht bei Verkauf großer Mengen an Bitcoins.
Danke soweit zu den Antworten zu 2 B.
Mich würde aber vor allem auch 2 A interessieren. Es gibt doch bestimmt Leute hier im Forum die auch im Millionenbereich Bitcoins verkauft haben und auf Ihr Konto überwiesen. Gab es keine Fragen / Probleme vom Finanzamt?
Mich würde aber vor allem auch 2 A interessieren. Es gibt doch bestimmt Leute hier im Forum die auch im Millionenbereich Bitcoins verkauft haben und auf Ihr Konto überwiesen. Gab es keine Fragen / Probleme vom Finanzamt?
Finanzamt, Steuerrecht bei Verkauf großer Mengen an Bitcoins.
Hallo,
angenommen ich verkaufe und überweise nach und nach Bitcoins in Wert von 5 Millionen Euro auf einem Exchange und lasse das Geld auf mein deutsches Bankkonto überweisen.
1. Wird das Geld überhaupt auf meinem deutschen Bankkonto ankommen oder friert die Bank das Geld sofort ein.
2. Falls das Geld auf mein deutsches Konto ankommt, was will die Bank bzw. das Finanzamt von mir alles wissen.
A. Muss ich die Herkunft der Bitcoins belegen (Geldwäschegesetz) ? Oder muss das Finanzamt ohne meine Hilfe ermitteln.
Kann ich nicht einfach behaupten ich hätte es vor 7 Jahren für 10 Cent je Bitcoin per Bargeldtransaktion bei Max Mustermann gekauft?
B. Muss ich steuern auf meine Einkünfte zahlen ( die Bitcoins wurden zuletzt von vor 3 Jahren auf der Blockchain bewegt ) befinden sich aber seit etlicher Zeit in meinem Besitz.
Ich bitte um kompetente Antworten, gerne auch von professionellen Steuerberatern und Anwälten. Auch nehme ich gerne Empfehlungen für Steuerberater und Anwälte an.
angenommen ich verkaufe und überweise nach und nach Bitcoins in Wert von 5 Millionen Euro auf einem Exchange und lasse das Geld auf mein deutsches Bankkonto überweisen.
1. Wird das Geld überhaupt auf meinem deutschen Bankkonto ankommen oder friert die Bank das Geld sofort ein.
2. Falls das Geld auf mein deutsches Konto ankommt, was will die Bank bzw. das Finanzamt von mir alles wissen.
A. Muss ich die Herkunft der Bitcoins belegen (Geldwäschegesetz) ? Oder muss das Finanzamt ohne meine Hilfe ermitteln.
Kann ich nicht einfach behaupten ich hätte es vor 7 Jahren für 10 Cent je Bitcoin per Bargeldtransaktion bei Max Mustermann gekauft?
B. Muss ich steuern auf meine Einkünfte zahlen ( die Bitcoins wurden zuletzt von vor 3 Jahren auf der Blockchain bewegt ) befinden sich aber seit etlicher Zeit in meinem Besitz.
Ich bitte um kompetente Antworten, gerne auch von professionellen Steuerberatern und Anwälten. Auch nehme ich gerne Empfehlungen für Steuerberater und Anwälte an.
Wie du schon selbst sagst --> Spekulation
Daran glaube ich nicht, sie bieten den Service seit mehreren Jahren an!
Und sie werden das auch noch weiter anbieten
Daran glaube ich nicht, sie bieten den Service seit mehreren Jahren an!
Und sie werden das auch noch weiter anbieten
Ja dass sie den Service seit Jahren mit ansprechender Qualität anbieten ist kein Widerspruch sondern ein Argument dafür, dass die Gutscheine von einer Quelle wie lul.to stammen müssen. Bei dem diejenigen die ein Gutschein kaufen, es legal getan haben und es im Nachhinein nicht als gestohlen reklamiert haben.
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55000 Euro in Bitcoin wären auch etwas zu wenig, wenn ich das mit der Wartezeit hier vergleiche ...
Mal schauen, wie es weiter geht ..
Mal schauen, wie es weiter geht ..
Dass die Bullen überhaupt Bitcoins gefunden haben zeugt von Unvorsichtigkeit der Betreiber. Oder würdest du deine Bitcoins unverschlüsselt auf deinem PC laufen haben, wenn du eine Seite wie lul.to betreiben würdest?
Ich denke die restlichen Bitcoins sind gut verstaut und die 55000 waren die Einnahmen von kurzer Zeit die noch nicht gesichert worden sind.
Weil hier sicher noch die zuständigen Ermittler mitlesen, Ihr seit wahrhaftig Bastarde, anstatt die wirklich kriminellen Menschen dingfest zu machen (Banker, Politiker, Lobbyisten) wird soviel Energie investiert um die von Lobbyisten erfundene Straftatbestand Urheberrechtsverletzungen zu verfolgen. Schämen solltet ihr euch.
Was hat das Zitat mit dem Angebot hier zu tun? Gar nichts.. Bei lul.to hat man mit Amazon-Gutscheinen bezahlt. Wenn man die anonym gekauft hatte und sonst mit Tor unterwegs war, kann das niemand zu einem zurückverfolgen.
Hier ist das ja das Gegenteil: Man kauft Amazon-Codes. Damit ist man als Kunde natürlich spätestens dann zurückverfolgbar, wenn man damit was auf seine Adresse bestellt.
@david123 Lass doch mal gut sein. Du tust kc377 damit keinen Gefallen. Ich denke er ist alt genug um sich selbst zu verteidigen, wenn er es für nötig hält.Hier ist das ja das Gegenteil: Man kauft Amazon-Codes. Damit ist man als Kunde natürlich spätestens dann zurückverfolgbar, wenn man damit was auf seine Adresse bestellt.
Glaube KC bezieht seine Codes über crimenetworks und die sind meist gecardet über 3rd Anbieter. Also keine Sorge
lul.to passt ganz gut zu seiner Konkurrenz, DJ und der andere, deren Codes waren auch qualitativ hochwertiger, kein 3rd Zeug.
Ich spekuliere auf U-Haft oder kalte Füsse, weil deren Partner in U-Haft sitzen: https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Ermittler-nehmen-illegales-Download-Portal-lul-to-vom-Netz-3751476.html
Die Rabattcodes von Dj und seinem Partner passten sehr gut ins Profil von Amazon-Gutschein-Codes von E-Book portalen etc.
Die Rabattcodes von Dj und seinem Partner passten sehr gut ins Profil von Amazon-Gutschein-Codes von E-Book portalen etc.
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Eh I cant access my old account so created new one.
Do you guys really think there's need for orderbook visualization? It was big hit "back in the days" when trading was made by people who was fresh to trading. Since 3 years people seems dont care anymore about OB because it don't work anymore. It don't work because pro traders entered the market and changed what works by ignoring OB and looking at candles.
Right now I try to move on from flash and learn HTML5 and Java. If anyone think those charts are good idea can hire me and we will make it. I will not bet my money and time on this.
Eh I cant access my old account so created new one.
Do you guys really think there's need for orderbook visualization? It was big hit "back in the days" when trading was made by people who was fresh to trading. Since 3 years people seems dont care anymore about OB because it don't work anymore. It don't work because pro traders entered the market and changed what works by ignoring OB and looking at candles.
Right now I try to move on from flash and learn HTML5 and Java. If anyone think those charts are good idea can hire me and we will make it. I will not bet my money and time on this.
Welcome back!
I asked a lot in Bitcoin trading community if they know what happens to btccharts and if they know something similar and you are absolutly right, most of them simply don´t use deep charts but they anyhow manage to have data about asks and bids quantitys of differente exchanges.
Anyhow I am not a pro trader, but I loved to use btccharts. Last days I found a site called bitcoinity where you have similar deep charts, but btccharts was by far superior with all the options available.
So if I could even help you to start the service again, like support a server or make a donation let me know please.
