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Does anyone still have claims against cablepair? If not, I will remove his scammer tag.
I'm still waiting for my refund. For me it's a scam and Tom is a scammer.Re: BFL progress.. Should I sell my Avalon's. Any feedback would be appreciated!
there are only two good investments involving bitcoin right now. Either buy Avalon or Buy Bitcoins - these are the only winning options at this current time.
The best option is to pre-order for 190 BTC by ASIC vaporware and return 15 BTC.This is also the opinion that a court would have, as the products were clearly priced in USD. The amount of "waiting" that is acceptable is debatable. ineededausername took 5 months to pay out his "guaranteed insured" pirate bond, but was never considered a scammer by the community and eventually paid 100%.
Dave think $ 15 for bitcoin was good price. A few days later Tom said...Quote from: cablepair
I have the list of BTC Refunds and should be making those today.
Again, see what a court says about the "I paid BTC for a product priced in USD so I should get more USD value in BTC back". Also, would you be demanding the same amount of BTC instead of USD if the price of BTC had gone down? Contrary to the beliefs of many community members, the price of BTC does sometimes go down.
Tom waited a month to choose, whether it was better to pay $15 or pay current price. If the price had gone down, Tom would say that it was fixed at $15.Another week and no word of refunds. Can we close the books on this now?
1) I do not deserve a scammer label.
It's Friday. Has anyone received any refunds?
Tom is waiting the bitcoins arrives to $35.But he had to sell bitcoins to pay for the costs of his materials from the manufacturers, that is the only reason why he would sell them.
You were taking a risk when you invested. He's not a scammer. He had no intention of hurting anyone. Tom paying people back in USD is normal, its fair, you are getting back exactly what you invested.
You were taking a risk when you invested. He's not a scammer. He had no intention of hurting anyone. Tom paying people back in USD is normal, its fair, you are getting back exactly what you invested.
For every sold BASIC gave me a dollar? It gave me nothing because we are buyers. We're not investors. Because you spent our money?
Anyone remember accepting an agreement which stated that it was an investor?You would've profited if the price of bitcoins dropped. Just be happy that Tom is trying to pay everyone back
Dave think $ 15 for bitcoin was good price. A few days later you said...
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You waited a month to choose, whether it was better to pay $15 or pay current price. If the price had gone down, you would say that it was agreed at $15.
Is any part of what I wrote hard to understand? I can try to write it differently.Quote from: cablepair
I have the list of BTC Refunds and should be making those today.
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You waited a month to choose, whether it was better to pay $15 or pay current price. If the price had gone down, you would say that it was agreed at $15.
I would like to respond to Tom, with my bad English. 
Dave think $ 15 for bitcoin was good price. A few days later you said...
Priced at $ 15 lose more than 20% of my bitcoins. I am willing, with a quickly payback. Think I'm not seeking damages for the delay. With the price that you propose now I lose 64%.
You waited a month to choose, whether it was better to pay $15 or pay current price. If the price had gone down, you would say that it was agreed at $15.
I think there are people who buy with a price lower than mine and their percentages be even worse.
I want to think well of you. You made some very wrong decisions that ruined the project. But with good intentions. But when you decided to spend our money and wait for price of bitcoins. You turned into a scammer. I understand that you have many debts to providers. But you may want to pay providers with money from your customers.
all of these reasons have already been violated by BFL and Avalon:
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1) I do not deserve a scammer label. We sold FPGA Mining products since may, when BFL announced their product MONTHS early just to try and squash the competition they lied which was a total lie and dis-service to the community but we wanted to keep our business alive, this led us to begin developing out own ASIC basic based prodcut. Our latest attempt at making the huge leap to ASIC failed. It was never our intention to scam anyone. Anyone who ordered a FPGA mining product has received their unit or their unit is on the way (2 orders slipped through the cracks when shit went bananas but we found these orders and we shipped them out this week.
Not all the reasons. BFL problems belong to BFL. BFL has a thread on scammers. This is a thread about BASIC....
1) I do not deserve a scammer label. We sold FPGA Mining products since may, when BFL announced their product MONTHS early just to try and squash the competition they lied which was a total lie and dis-service to the community but we wanted to keep our business alive, this led us to begin developing out own ASIC basic based prodcut. Our latest attempt at making the huge leap to ASIC failed. It was never our intention to scam anyone. Anyone who ordered a FPGA mining product has received their unit or their unit is on the way (2 orders slipped through the cracks when shit went bananas but we found these orders and we shipped them out this week.
I have paid back over 1 million USD to credit card buyers and BTC buyers alike.
I think your bank or VISA, are strong filing criminal charges. So were the first to pay back.Quote
Instead I am doing everything I can to make sure every single customer gets a complete and total refund. Unfortunately some people do not like the fact that they are returned less coins than they have sent. Although the fact of the matter is - these units were priced in USD NOT BTC and it is appropriate to use the current exchange rate when converting USD to Bitcoin to make these refunds. Any one who knows what they are doing in e-commerce would agree totally.
For every sold BASIC gave me a dollar? It gave me nothing because we are buyers. We're not investors. Because you spent our money?Dave think $ 15 for bitcoin was good price. A few days later you said...
Quote from: cablepair
I have the list of BTC Refunds and should be making those today.
Don't worry about removing the forums. I have screenshots.Priced at $ 15 lose more than 20% of my bitcoins. I am willing, with a quickly payback. Think I'm not seeking damages for the delay. With the price that you propose now I lose 64%.
You waited a month to choose, whether it was better to pay $15 or pay current price. If the price had gone down, you would say that it was agreed at $15.
I think there are people who buy with a price lower than mine and their percentages be even worse.
instead I still live in my same house and still go to my regular job every day. I am a family man and the last thing I want is any kind of trouble.
In my country there are many scammers and corrupt, also live at home. Including our Prime Minister is corrupt.I want to think well of you. You made some very wrong decisions that ruined the project. But with good intentions. But when you decided to spend our money and wait for price of bitcoins. You turned into a scammer. I understand that you have many debts to providers. But you may want to pay providers with money from your customers.
I am sure its hard to believe but this has hurt and will continue to hurt myself and my family far more than it will hurt any of you.
Tom does not think it's the place to say who goes worse. Only tell you that in my country the salary in the same job than in the U.S. is only 33% and is one of the countries most affected by the crisis.I sold most of these coins at around $15 and now am buying back at $30
This would not have happened if you had not spent the money from customers. When customers requested a refund, the bitcoin was $15.I have been a very strong member of this community for 2 years, and I have always fulfilled my promises - please have a little faith in me is all I am asking - I WANT to do the right thing.
I wish the right things.I have four kids and I am just trying to get by - I am sorry I was not up to meet the challenge of bASIC but I assure you all of you will be paid back.
I hope that your family life will go all right.5.
Tom, 31 years (http://goo.gl/vSmYH) can have a son old enough to work? You may Cablepair/Tom, not the same person as Thomas Van Riper? Someone has known personally?
my wife and I and our oldest son have been working long days to get this place ready.
Tom, 31 years (http://goo.gl/vSmYH) can have a son old enough to work? You may Cablepair/Tom, not the same person as Thomas Van Riper? Someone has known personally?
I'm 31 and have a 14 year old daughter. Depends on the capacity of work that was completed.
In my country we have a proverb.
If it looks like shit, smells like shit and if it tastes like shit. It's because it's shit!!!
I can see the point(s) you are trying to make but in essence bASIC is a failed business. It failed due to various reasons and it's up to Tom to explain on how things derailed this far. The rest is all speculation.
When information is not available, we can only speculate. Not having information and transparency.We see that are not normal. Waiting until the last minute to announce a delay. Not having a physical prototype. Expect to see the evolution of bitcoins before chargeback.
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7. Because Tom has not explained what happened with CAN-ELECTRIC?
That still doesn't make him a scammer. It probably means he is busy processing refunds, since those are constantly being reported (see Fefox's post from last night).Quote
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8. Because Tom has not explained the refund process?
What's complex about it? Chargeback your credit card or request a refund and wait - that's it. I just explained it for you.Quote
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11. The Tom ASICs were real? There is evidence, pictures, documents, videos? Tom built something? 10%, 20%, 50%, 80%, 99%?
If I recall, the design phase for the chip was at some stage of completion. Perhaps you could put in an offer to buy the company from whoever owns it currently.Quote
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12. I did not want to give me my money. I wanted my asics in December, although it could accept a delay until January.
So you cancelled your order once January came? Then why are you whining?Quote
Rest assured we will try to maximize any engineering opportunity that won't introduce further delays.
http://goo.gl/9qA2wI whining because basics not ship in December or January.
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13. Believe that the change in price of bitcoins has benefited Tom?
And if they would have dropped in value... ? That still doesn't make him a scammer.Quote
14. Those who have received refunds in bitcoins. They think they would have more or less money if they had the bitcoins in your wallet?
So, the unit was priced in DOLLARS. Why is that so hard to understand? You will be refunded in DOLLARS. Yes, had you speculated you could have made a profit, but if BTC was $5 right now, you'd want your refund in dollars.Quote
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16. I made a bet in less than six months would get more bitcoins, that I spend on basics. I do not bet, money back with bitcoins months later with a new price. I was not responsible for Tom incompetence.
You were an investor in a very risky business. Many people in your situation receive absolutely nothing back and don't complain about it.Quote
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17. I have my bitcoins committed to Tom, I had the option to buy asics at other companies.
This is called "putting all your eggs in one basket."Quote
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18. I requested my refund on the night of 13 to 14 January. A few days after I value bitcoins Dave at $ 15. With that price I already lost bitcoins. Tom waited without consulting a price more beneficial for him. Why have not I received my bitcoins?
Because you're on a very long list of people waiting for bitcoin refunds (Fefox was order # 8xx, and if you ordered in November, yours is MUCH higher).Quote
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19. I don't understand why people thank Tom, after that will return less than 50% of their bitcoins.
Again, see the definitions of investment and risk and bankruptcy. He didn't have to return anything.Quote
Yes it sucks you're having to wait so long for a refund, but you took the risk to push out to January 13/14 when there were quite a few signals that things were turning south before then. The drunk post apparently didn't scare you away - that was around the 8th as I recall. Since you cite that above as "proof he's a scammer," why didn't you pull your chips out at that time?
1. I'm not on the forums every day.2. My English is not enough to tell if someone is drunk. While I recognize that in this post I was hard to understand.
3. Are you trying to say I'm guilty for taking long time to request a refund?
Go home you are drunk...
I speak and write correctly in 2 languages. Unfortunately English is not one of them. Please keep respect for trying to offer my opinion.Sorry for my low level of English, but I think you will understand me.
Tom / Cablepair is a scammer and these are my reasons for thinking this. You just have to answer these questions.
1. When you said you bought your asics would be ready in early December? That happened?
2. 2012/11/27 Tom announces the first delay. My last purchase you entered the first shipment was 2012/11/23 (http://goo.gl/itHPS). You think that at that time, Tom did not know there would be a delay?
3. You think that since the closure of the first shipping orders was a significant decrease in the number of sales? You think that's because for the people was very important to the shipping date? With true information sales would have been lower?
4. In a project of this size. If only missing two weeks should be 95% done. You think that happened? You think that Tom knew the delay, long before announcing it?
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Tom, 31 years (http://goo.gl/vSmYH) can have a son old enough to work? You may Cablepair/Tom, not the same person as Thomas Van Riper? Someone has known personally?
6. It is normal for a businessman who moved hundreds of thousands of dollars. Advertise a sale of the company and a second delay while drunk?
7. Because Tom has not explained what happened with CAN-ELECTRIC?
8. Because Tom has not explained the refund process?
9. Because Tom has not explained what the Asian company that wanted to buy the project from Tom?
10. Because Tom has disappeared and gives no explanation?
11. The Tom ASICs were real? There is evidence, pictures, documents, videos? Tom built something? 10%, 20%, 50%, 80%, 99%?
12. I did not want to give back my money. I wanted my asics in December, although it could accept a delay until January.
13. Believe that the change in price of bitcoins has benefited Tom?
14. Those who have received refunds in bitcoins. They think they would have more or less money if they had the bitcoins in your wallet?
15. I keep in bitcoins leftover money to buy basics. Also I keep the bitcoins mined later.
16. I made a bet in less than six months would get more bitcoins, that I spend on basics. I do not bet, money back with bitcoins months later with a new price. I was not responsible for Tom incompetence.
17. I have my bitcoins committed to Tom, I had the option to buy asics at other companies.
18. I requested my refund on the night of 13 to 14 January. A few days after I value bitcoins Dave at $ 15. With that price I already lost bitcoins. Tom waited without consulting a price more beneficial for him. Why have not I received my bitcoins?
19. I don't understand why people thank Tom, after that will return less than 50% of their bitcoins.
20. To finish the last question. In September / October / November, without knowing the price changes of bitcoins. But knowing all that would happen to Tom had made the purchase? Why?
The problem is not the price change of bitcoins. The problem is Tom.
If Tom believes that some of the information posted is wrong, I am happy to receive information and apologize.
If anyone wants to correct my English for easy reading. Would be very grateful.
Tom / Cablepair is a scammer and these are my reasons for thinking this. You just have to answer these questions.
1. When you said you bought your asics would be ready in early December? That happened?
2. 2012/11/27 Tom announces the first delay. My last purchase you entered the first shipment was 2012/11/23 (http://goo.gl/itHPS). You think that at that time, Tom did not know there would be a delay?
3. You think that since the closure of the first shipping orders was a significant decrease in the number of sales? You think that's because for the people was very important to the shipping date? With true information sales would have been lower?
4. In a project of this size. If only missing two weeks should be 95% done. You think that happened? You think that Tom knew the delay, long before announcing it?
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my wife and I and our oldest son have been working long days to get this place ready.
Tom, 31 years (http://goo.gl/vSmYH) can have a son old enough to work? You may Cablepair/Tom, not the same person as Thomas Van Riper? Someone has known personally?
6. It is normal for a businessman who moved hundreds of thousands of dollars. Advertise a sale of the company and a second delay while drunk?
7. Because Tom has not explained what happened with CAN-ELECTRIC?
8. Because Tom has not explained the refund process?
9. Because Tom has not explained what the Asian company that wanted to buy the project from Tom?
10. Because Tom has disappeared and gives no explanation?
11. The Tom ASICs were real? There is evidence, pictures, documents, videos? Tom built something? 10%, 20%, 50%, 80%, 99%?
12. I did not want to give back my money. I wanted my asics in December, although it could accept a delay until January.
13. Believe that the change in price of bitcoins has benefited Tom?
14. Those who have received refunds in bitcoins. They think they would have more or less money if they had the bitcoins in your wallet?
15. I keep in bitcoins leftover money to buy basics. Also I keep the bitcoins mined later.
16. I made a bet in less than six months would get more bitcoins, that I spend on basics. I do not bet, money back with bitcoins months later with a new price. I was not responsible for Tom incompetence.
17. I have my bitcoins committed to Tom, I had the option to buy asics at other companies.
18. I requested my refund on the night of 13 to 14 January. A few days after I value bitcoins Dave at $ 15. With that price I already lost bitcoins. Tom waited without consulting a price more beneficial for him. Why have not I received my bitcoins?
19. I don't understand why people thank Tom, after that will return less than 50% of their bitcoins.
20. To finish the last question. In September / October / November, without knowing the price changes of bitcoins. But knowing all that would happen to Tom had made the purchase? Why?
The problem is not the price change of bitcoins. The problem is Tom.
If Tom believes that some of the information posted is wrong, I am happy to receive information and apologize.
If anyone wants to correct my English for easy reading. Would be very grateful.
I've uploaded the old forum for all to go back and reference his lies and incompetence in case a reminder is needed..
You could upload it in a zip? Would be easier to download if anyone needs it for a legal requirement.Thanks
Hi,
Some time reading this forum, although I had not registered as my written English is not good. Although I read perfectly. I'm in Europe and I have not refunded anything. I paid a total of 189.7048 BTC. I made 3 orders and request a refund on the night of 13 to 14 January.
- BASIC01 + Flat Shipping Rate
2012/10/22
- DHLSHIP
2012/10/23
- BASIC01 + Flat Shipping Rate
2012/11/23
Some time reading this forum, although I had not registered as my written English is not good. Although I read perfectly. I'm in Europe and I have not refunded anything. I paid a total of 189.7048 BTC. I made 3 orders and request a refund on the night of 13 to 14 January.
- BASIC01 + Flat Shipping Rate
2012/10/22
- DHLSHIP
2012/10/23
- BASIC01 + Flat Shipping Rate
2012/11/23
Due to similar limitations, I likewise may have trouble pursuing legal recourse, but I fully support this initiative and would be glad to render assistance in any way I can.
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