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Re: ►►►Crypto-Games.net | Presents from Santa | FREE up to 0.01 BTC ◄◄◄
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btcgmbling
on 23/12/2016, 16:42:19 UTC
nickname: Aleric264

Thanks
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Re: ★ BITSTARZ.COM - BTC & EUR Casino | Get 200 Free Spins + 5BTC Welcome Package ★
by
btcgmbling
on 27/10/2016, 03:37:37 UTC
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The free spins are on the worst possible slot they have. You be lucky to get 1 mbtc back

Hi there,

Well, some people like them and some don't, then thankfully they're free right? Smiley

Mike
They're free until you deposit and win, then all your bitcoins get confiscated. Then it's not so free anymore.
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Re: ★ BITSTARZ.COM - BTC & EUR Casino | Get 200 Free Spins + 5BTC Welcome Package ★
by
btcgmbling
on 25/10/2016, 20:37:11 UTC
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I'm asking about the violation rate though, not confiscation rate.

Here's another question to think about:

If we got in a time machine and went back to replay the last year and the only difference was a rule that forced you destroy all seized fund: what % of players would have been paid previously had their funds taken?

 

Hi there,

Of the violation rate, still extremely low. You have to realize that the average player is not someone who bets that amount per spin,
therefore a lot of players are not affected by the rule.

Can you re-formulate that question?

Mike

Consider all the players that had their cashouts cancelled over the past year for betting over the max with a bonus.

If you weren't allowed to keep their money for yourself, what % of them would have been paid.

Hi there,

Hard to answer, again, it's very rare that a genuine player would get trapped in any way, and I'd rather
give it to a charity (as some land based ones have to do I believe) than paying out a bonus abuser.

Mike

Hey Mike,

I was a genuine player who got trapped by your terms. Even though I still conclude that I did nothing wrong, please donate my 20 btc winnings to the Wounded Warriors Project ($13,099 USD).

It is quite clear that I will never see this btc again, so like you said, it would be nice to at least see it go to a good cause rather than a big bad "bonus abuser" like me. If you do so and provide sufficient proof, then I will view my issue as resolved and be completely satisfied.

This wold give me a little peace of mind, and I would finally be able to rest after battling with you for 6 months now with no resolution.
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Re: ★ BITSTARZ.COM - BTC & EUR Casino | Get 200 Free Spins + 5BTC Welcome Package ★
by
btcgmbling
on 25/10/2016, 19:48:15 UTC
The summation of my feelings  Sad

http://i.imgur.com/wMoIrQK.png

Since the incident, I have started playing at VegasCasino on occasion and some other sites without any issues whatsoever. I would recommend that others take BitStarz advice and "Play elsewhere if you don't like the rules". Needless to say you lost a good player. I am now also too scared to accept bonuses from anyone ever again because of your actions. It was like I was bonus raped.

Hi there,

I mean, it goes for anything you do. If you don't like the terms/agree with them, then it's better to not play there.

I'm happy you found a spot you like to play at. I'd always look through the terms and conditions and ask on live chat,
I do it myself when I play at other casinos. The max bet rule is what I normally look for, and restricted games, but besides
that, I can't think of much that would get you in trouble for using a bonus.

I wish you all the best over at VegasCasino!

Mike
Well mike, if the max bet rule was hidden and therefore I was unaware that it existed --- how do you expect me to know that I don't like the rule (until it's too late). Indeed I do not like your terms, but unfortunately I was only made aware of them after I won.
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Re: ★ BITSTARZ.COM - BTC & EUR Casino | Get 200 Free Spins + 5BTC Welcome Package ★
by
btcgmbling
on 25/10/2016, 18:52:26 UTC
The summation of my feelings  Sad

http://i.imgur.com/wMoIrQK.png

Since the incident, I have started playing at VegasCasino on occasion and some other sites without any issues whatsoever. I would recommend that others take BitStarz advice and "Play elsewhere if you don't like the rules". Needless to say you lost a good player. I am now also too scared to accept bonuses from anyone ever again because of your actions. It was like I was bonus raped.
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Re: ★ BITSTARZ.COM - BTC & EUR Casino | Get 200 Free Spins + 5BTC Welcome Package ★
by
btcgmbling
on 25/10/2016, 18:14:58 UTC

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To follow up with twitchyseal's inquiry. I would like to know what percentage of WINNING PLAYERS' funds are confiscated? vs your 5% figure for ALL players.

My point is, for example.. say that maybe 15% of players come out on top and I assume you only use this dumb rule on these players to confiscate their winnings. The 5% overall figure would probably be much closer to like 25% if you only count winning players? something like that... I would love to hear your response

Hi there,

Still below that percentage.

Again, we have such a vast amount of players (and winnings players) that the people getting confiscated are an extremely small
group. It sounds more than it is because people who do not have any issues what so ever tend to not complain
online.

Do you think we confiscate winnings from 25% of our winning players is that what you're saying? That's absolutely
preposterous.

Mike
Ok Mike, I will definitely take your word for it. You sound like a very trustworthy person.
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Re: ★ BITSTARZ.COM - BTC & EUR Casino | Get 200 Free Spins + 5BTC Welcome Package ★
by
btcgmbling
on 25/10/2016, 17:57:45 UTC


Just answer the question please.

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If you went out at got 100 random people who have never gambled online before, and you gave them 1 bitcoin or 600 euro each for them to deposit on your site after signing up, and reading the terms and conditions.

What's the over under on how many of them commit a violation that gives bitstarz the right to seize their winnings?  ( all new players that know very little about gambling, none of them have any malicious intentions)

If the over under is 0.5, that means there's a 50% chance that 1 or more players violate a term and a 50% chance that 0 do.

I think it would be much higher at Bitstarz.

What do you think it would be?

What do you think would be acceptable?



Hi there,

I don't have any exact statistics on that, we do not keep track of how many people that are breaching that rule
and is suffering the consequences, as again, we let many slide. I can just say that they are a very small minority
as I personally get to hear about them, and I also know the amount of active players we have in the casino and
the amount of new players we get in.

So, you thinking it's much higher at BitStarz, what do you base that figure on? A few people writing about it in the forum when
we have thousands of continuous new depositing players?

I'd rather focus on the circumstances rather than a number. This is a case by case question. If you suddenly get overrun by a
mob of fraudsters opening 100 accounts each and try to claim the welcome package an equal amount of times, I think the
ratio is less relevant. What should be focused on is detecting and separating the genuine players from the abusers.

Mike

I'm not asking you for exact statistics.  I'm asking your opinion.  This is a hypothetical situation.

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If you went out at got 100 random people who have never gambled online before, and you gave them 1 bitcoin or 600 euro each for them to deposit on your site after signing up, and reading the terms and conditions.

What's the over under on how many of them commit a violation that gives bitstarz the right to seize their winnings?  ( all new players that know very little about gambling, none of them have any malicious intentions)





Hi there,

Well, you got a more elaborate answer above here, so I hope that answers your question. But I see your point,
and at BitStarz, less than 5% would have anything confiscated in the casino. I just want to point out that this, it depends on what markets
you operate in and a lot of other factors.

Bonus abuse in general tend to be more likely in certain markets than others. Just as you would assume that corruption
or any other type of crime would be more wide-spread in certain areas. Therefore, what markets you operate in could
make a huge difference to how many people get confiscated, I hope that makes sense.

To answer your question, I believe that the confiscation rate should be way lower than 5% to be fair, and that's what it
is at BitStarz.

Mike

I'm asking about the violation rate though, not confiscation rate.

Here's another question to think about:

If we got in a time machine and went back to replay the last year and the only difference was a rule that forced you destroy all seized fund: what % of players would have been paid previously had their funds taken?
To follow up with twitchyseal's inquiry. I would like to know what percentage of WINNING PLAYERS' funds are confiscated? vs your 5% figure for ALL players.

My point is, for example.. say that maybe 15% of players come out on top and I assume you only use this dumb rule on these players to confiscate their winnings. The 5% overall figure would probably be much closer to like 25% if you only count winning players? something like that... I would love to hear your response
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Re: ★ BITSTARZ.COM - BTC & EUR Casino | Get 200 Free Spins + 5BTC Welcome Package ★
by
btcgmbling
on 24/10/2016, 18:45:08 UTC
So you guys still hold firm on your stance that someone like me (who you confiscated 20 btc in winnings from) saw the max bet was 0.025 btc and knew that if I bet over that amount then all of my winnings would be confiscated... then I said "hmm let me try to get one over on them and bet over the limit" knowing that my winnings would be confiscated? ... what a joke.. Obviously if me/others had known this, we would not bet over that amount... You guys allow bets to be placed over this amount and have not done anything to rectify it, even after many many months and many complaints.

Also it is worth saying that I actually did take probably 20-30 minutes to read your terms very carefully and I guess missed the max bet clause. It is obviously hidden for a reason - and that is to maximize your profits and screw players over... glad to see that rhavar, twitchyseal and others are standing up to you guys.

Furthermore, your only response to anyone who criticizes you and your B.S. terms is to run to Askgamblers, who I might add, you pay significantly to promote you and appears to be your biggest affiliate...

Also they are only there to mediate complaints where the casino violates its own terms. They don't acknowledge the root of these problems, which in your case is B.S. bonus terms (hidden and predatory). So telling people to complain there will not help anyone, and means you are dancing around the issue.

This is terrible not only for you, but also for the bitcoin gambling community as a whole.
If you have a better place to put them, or any more place, then we'd appreciate if you wanted to make gambling slightly better and more convenient for everyone and provide feedback as to where that would be.

Mike
Hey Mike,

In regards to where to put the bonus terms to make them more clear - you can start by taking them and SHOVING THEM UP YOUR ASS!

Every time I read this thread, my blood boils. So for my own health I will no longer be following it. It is a waste of time trying to argue with you Mike, you are a scumbag and apparently the only person who works at BitStarz. Congratulations though, you are probably a very wealthy man. Kudos to you.

Good riddance
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Re: ★ BITSTARZ.COM - BTC & EUR Casino | Get 200 Free Spins + 5BTC Welcome Package ★
by
btcgmbling
on 24/10/2016, 18:21:48 UTC
So you guys still hold firm on your stance that someone like me (who you confiscated 20 btc in winnings from) saw the max bet was 0.025 btc and knew that if I bet over that amount then all of my winnings would be confiscated... then I said "hmm let me try to get one over on them and bet over the limit" knowing that my winnings would be confiscated? ... what a joke.. Obviously if me/others had known this, we would not bet over that amount... You guys allow bets to be placed over this amount and have not done anything to rectify it, even after many many months and many complaints.

Also it is worth saying that I actually did take probably 20-30 minutes to read your terms very carefully and I guess missed the max bet clause. It is obviously hidden for a reason - and that is to maximize your profits and screw players over... glad to see that rhavar, twitchyseal and others are standing up to you guys.

Furthermore, your only response to anyone who criticizes you and your B.S. terms is to run to Askgamblers, who I might add, you pay significantly to promote you and appears to be your biggest affiliate...

Also they are only there to mediate complaints where the casino violates its own terms. They don't acknowledge the root of these problems, which in your case is B.S. bonus terms (hidden and predatory). So telling people to complain there will not help anyone, and means you are dancing around the issue.

This is terrible not only for you, but also for the bitcoin gambling community as a whole.
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Re: void3999's friends
by
btcgmbling
on 19/10/2016, 20:14:22 UTC
Hey guys,

Hope everyone is doing well today.

In following with road's ideas the other day about loans or w.e. he was talking about, I thought I would share some of the ideas I had.

It seems like this would be an amazing place for a "think tank" within the gambling community or even the bitcoin community. Maybe one day one of us, a group, or even everyone in voidbook will have a home run idea that would not come to fruition otherwise. This would not be the sole focus, obviously, but a side note on all the other great things I'm sure would come out of the voidbook.

One of my initial thoughts was that it would be cool if - as the community grows - we share ideas about potential new websites/ideas/services/tools among friends, or those we trust within the community. It is always great to brainstorm as a group to get other people's insights on certain things. Also constructive criticism is always invaluable when working on new ideas.

Being that I have been building websites in my spare time for the past few years, it seems like this could be a great place to shoot ideas around and get people's opinions.

Just my initial thoughts, but figured I would share.

Thanks,
Aleric
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Re: void3999's friends
by
btcgmbling
on 17/10/2016, 00:27:18 UTC
Sorry I didn't realize that sarcasm was not permitted on the thread Sad. I still don't get it - so this thread going to be a place for suggestions on CG & what we can accomplish as a group of people in the bitcoin/crypto community? Sort of like a think tank for all us superior individuals?

If so I am in - no need to gang up on Aleric Sad

Just didn't realize what the thread was all about I guess.
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Re: void3999's friends
by
btcgmbling
on 16/10/2016, 16:27:13 UTC
Warning - while you were reading a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.


The difference between gambling and generating money with money

by: roadcrap

Once upon a time, there was a person who called himself Aleric264 on an online gambling site..

He never learned the difference between gambling and generating money because he was too eager to generate money "RIGHT NOW!"

Many a times his friends invested their last bits of money in the hopes that he would hit the jackpot.

Unfortunately for Aleric, a much cuter girl whom we wont name just yet - joined the casino and started gambling on slots from faucets.

She would come home on numerous occasion with pockets overflowing with crypto ~ giving generously on her way..

Aleric often wondered how it was possible to have spent so much money without ever having hit the jackpots himself..;

Alas, his starving friend who is trying to generate money at home with his Canadian dollars keeps investing in him - in the hopes that he will hit the jackpot while playing blackjack on an online casino..

but his friends have run out of money and are wondering what went wrong..

maybe he should have invested in the house or tried smaller/safer bets instead?

mar·tin·gale
ˈmärtnˌɡāl/
noun
1.
a strap, or set of straps, attached at one end to the noseband or reins of a horse and at the other end to the girth. It is used to prevent the horse from raising its head too high.


go team go

generate money to gamble (if you need to) - dont gamble to generate money

(i know im boring - but so is being poor)


----

where has roadcrap been?

working 12 hour days for another week or two
im hoping that coins will be at a normal rate when im ready to buy


does anybody have anything constructive to contribute about the future of bitcoin in the next month?



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Aleric,

posting something relevant and not asking for money would be grand - i didnt join a hand-out forum..
Your writing fails at being humorous and your opinions doesn't matter. There is my constructive contribution.

Thanks!
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Re: void3999's friends
by
btcgmbling
on 16/10/2016, 00:15:20 UTC
Hey there gang!

sorry I haven't been around too much.

I come home at around midnight and I see something about:

"roadcrap will post something" in the international room.

of course he will...

go team go!

I was going to post this morning about what we could do as a group...

one suggestion would be do some mining of gridcoins.. but something more interesting would be Grand.

other suggestions would require a more private chat/posting area.. nothing diabolical - but I think it would be smart.



so, to follow the thread - what can a group of crypto friends accomplish online?

 - we can form trust networks for peer to peer loans for example... or the buying and selling of crypto within the group - instead of buying from random people.
 
- sharing of information about profitable investments

- advertising and social campaigns to boost traffic to certain websites - (our own, CG..)

- bitcoin employment postings..

- freedom to travel / sharing of cultural information

.. and - with a solid group, the pooling of resources for big investments..

obviously, it would be great to "make more money" but we need to establish a trust network and a safe meeting place before we go too crazy - but hopefully this should get the ball rolling Smiley


go team go!


Hey Road,

Was wondering were you've been... I have a good investment for you - it's called "Aleric" but don't tell anyone... it's a secret.
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Re: FORTUNEJACK.COM |Deposit 777 play with 1777 mBTC |Live Casino, Slots, Betting
by
btcgmbling
on 13/10/2016, 17:08:58 UTC
Is Betsoft legit? I almost try to check some games here.. just read about few feedbacks in this thread and want to make sure if this is fraud or legit.
Arseaboy,

I have heard many stories/posts that Betsoft has been running rigged games. I'm not sure from firsthand experience, but as you can see in threads like this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1530271.0 it appears they are. You can still play games online from other software providers though.

Edit: Just to clarify, I was referring to betsoft software, not the fortunejack website... I like fortunejack and have played there without issues... I have heard some bad things about Betsoft recently though
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Re: void3999's friends
by
btcgmbling
on 13/10/2016, 16:48:05 UTC
Hello void,

I would like to join your evil network.

Go team!

Aleric
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Re: ★ BITSTARZ.COM - BTC & EUR Casino | Get 200 Free Spins + 5BTC Welcome Package ★
by
btcgmbling
on 07/10/2016, 01:47:17 UTC
Hi guys,

I'll try to reply to this as objectively as I can.

When it comes to max bet rules with bonuses, yes it exist, but it's not uncommon when playing
online. A google search confirms this pretty quickly, and as a player it's always important to be
aware of the rules prior to start playing. We're doing our best to get this information out there
and it's displayed in general terms, bonus terms, and reminders about going through the rules
prior to playing can be found on the promotion page, in all bonus emails and on the deposit page.

If you do not agree with the max bet rule, that's totally OK. But as a player you have an obligation
to follow the rules of the site. If you do not agree with the rules, we respect that and hope you
find another site that suits you better. Thankfully you have the freedom to play anywhere you like.

Now, to the accusation that we change rules to try to screw people over when they win big, it would
be great to see some evidence for that. This is obviously not true and a slanderous accusation without
any truth behind it.

As for Pocket Dice and all the other games, they're all regulated by both a gaming commission and
the mechanics of the games have a random number generator which is also verified by at least one
third party. Sure, one can claim that it's all a big conspiracy too, but then again you can claim that
the NFL, the national lottery and the moon landing was a big hoax too. All I can ask of anyone out
here is to hear both sides of the story and make up your own mind.

If anyone has any questions regarding BitStarz or how the casino industry works, I'd be happy to answer
that. I'd also like to point out that all licensed casinos with game providers that are also licensed work
exactly the same in terms of game mechanics. We cannot and would not manipulate any game, it's
impossible.

Mike
You guys should just get on with it and change your name to BitTards.com
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Re: Bitstarz Removes 1.75 Btc Balance According to Breaking Bonus Terms
by
btcgmbling
on 29/09/2016, 17:57:29 UTC
Anytime!

I have sent an email to you with a screenshot for the spins, but as there was only a few we made an exception for you. Just remember the max bet of 25 mBTC in the future.

Of course, you can withdraw straight away and we will cash you out within 10 minutes as usual!

/BitStarz


Why don't you just AUTOMATICALLY prevent players to break bonus rules?  Roll Eyes

I guess few lines of proper code could do the trick.

Otherwise it just seems like you are trying to bollect excuses not to pay bonus winners.

Don't you think it appears this way?
That's their plan... they have been doing it since I discovered them. They used the same rule to confiscate 20 BTC of my winnings without rectifying the situation in any way.. They have done the same for many other users who win at their casino...
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Re: monthly best gambling site!!! (september edition)
by
btcgmbling
on 28/09/2016, 02:48:49 UTC
crypto-games.net is the best
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Re: ALL LINKS IN THIS SECTION SHOULD BE VIEWED AS SCAM SITES - A WARNING
by
btcgmbling
on 26/09/2016, 20:37:26 UTC
I was thinking of investing in some bitcoin casino house bankrolls this month. Does anyone have some input on which are the best sites for that purpose? I.e. trusted sites that generally have a positive return and are well known. I was looking around in this thread, but there is too many pages and I gave up Sad

You can check here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=56.0

Investor based-games have nothing to do with casinos, you are looking in the wrong section...

Cheers!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

Great, thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I think maybe they should consider making a new section for "Bitcoin Casino Investments" as there is really no designated section for this other than checking tons of posts in the gambling section to find 1 or 2 casinos that have an investment option... Anyway thanks again
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Re: ALL LINKS IN THIS SECTION SHOULD BE VIEWED AS SCAM SITES - A WARNING
by
btcgmbling
on 25/09/2016, 23:09:47 UTC
I was thinking of investing in some bitcoin casino house bankrolls this month. Does anyone have some input on which are the best sites for that purpose? I.e. trusted sites that generally have a positive return and are well known. I was looking around in this thread, but there is too many pages and I gave up Sad