The US does not steal your funds, they freeze your accounts and spy you through the NSA!

I hope the recovered MtGox is not in US, more like europe or asia

Here's a short summary of what I think of the different parties (from the google hangout):

OkCoin
You can get your percent of bitcoins on the first day of trading, the remaining dept is company share (total 49.9%)
OkCoin has already an BTC exchange and they now how to deal with DDoS and security issues and how to handle wallets and customers.
OkCoin got experience and knowledge

Savegox
You'll get your 16.5% percent in bitcoins and after there will be some kind of equity swap.
Savegox has some childactors and insiderpeople from Gox. There are some experts who worked on wallstreet (like this name means something) where they brang coffee to the broakers and now they say they worked for wallstreet-onlinetrading-whatever.
Savegox claims to have 70% of the custemer funds on theyr side (WTF!)
Savegox has money and famous people

Anarchystar (Mtgoxrecovery?)
He has no plan, just criticizes everyone and blames them for doing something in very bad english and no personal presence. (why does he even get so much publicity?!?)
Anarchystar has a loud voice

First i was for Savegox, but i changed my mind to OkCoin!


you can change your vote as much as you want.
what is your opinoin on the different plans?

greetings from switzerland
cloon

@ John

There's a statement i really'd like to have confirmed:


is this true? I live in Switzerland and you will just keep my money cause i'm not from US/Canada?
I really apreciate the efforts you do, but there are so many informations, that make you less and less trustworthy.

Well the Activity barometer could be better...
for example i'm a very active Forum reader, not a writer. so if I spend much time reading for example the speculaton forum, the activity should go up, so if i write somethng, the reader should see, that i've spent much time in this forum since 2011.
now it's 18 days, 3 hours and 33 minutes. (if i had written every hour just one or two stupid comments, i'd be an hero member already...)

so IMO it makes more sense to make a combination of time online and posts (and somehow differentiate between subforums)

here's a very bearish count:

http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/currency/USD.html

all the other exchanges are lower
will mt.gox follow?

I call the bottom between 25 and 30
But many ppl are expectibg this, so the bottom wil more likely be around 35

hey chartbudddy
why dont you make your graphic on an internetpage, automatically updated with adjustable parameters?
so everyone could look the history of your 'valley' and bring it on individual form like: timerange='lenghtofvalley' and bid-askwith='widthofvalley')

he should make the graph for longer terms, the "valley" should be 4 times longer
most of his graphs have no useful information

my version is this one:
the bottom line is not a straight line it's a curve
so now i see the bottom at 22 USD
it worked really well for me at the last touch of the line ;-)

i think they got many bad replies on these articles from a few days ago, so they made a better one:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=176530.0

but i agree that swiss banks and swiss banking policy are forced to change their mind.
i've heard that they're waching bitcoin and are running some tests to include it into new financial products.

first they made 2 critical article, now they've tried bitcoin by themself and they like it!
and this time they allow comments!
http://www.20min.ch/digital/news/story/Bezahlen-mit-virtuellem-Geld---der-Selbstversuch-30765826

there is a ~2963 BTC order at 80 USD
2963*80 USD=237'040 USD

ten times lower than 2 mil...
where do you see a 2 million wall?

The "20 Minuten" and "Blick am Abend" are Newspapers standing in boxes at most train-/tram-/busstations in switzerland free to take!
Nearly everyone I know reads "20 Minuten" while commuting between home and work in the morning and "Blick am Abend" in the evening.
These are the most read newspaper in switzerland!

Additionally "20 Minuten" made two article on its page:
2013-04-11:
http://www.20min.ch/finance/news/story/23129126
2013-04-12:
http://www.20min.ch/finance/news/story/22402356

They didn't allow comments what is quite unusual...
Looks like they want to form an (IMO not positive) opinion of bitcoin in switzerland.
At least there is much Information about Bitcoin and what you can do with it.


20 Minuten:


Blick am Abend:


On NZZ:
http://www.nzz.ch/aktuell/digital/bitcoin-mt-gox-1.18062914

these are good news

wow!!! we have a math genious here!

this blue is so fu**ing linear on linear scale...


well it'll never have a slope of zero (wether in log nor lin scale )... I dont get your point

here you have a quite accurate bottom line:
as you see its not linear in log scale, what means it's not exponential, so the line flattens more and more. now it is around 18$
next major correction will likely touch this line again.

here you have some fancy graphs!
(for mor significance ;-))

http://blockchain.info/en/charts
http://blockchain.info/charts/my-wallet-n-users?showDataPoints=false&show_header=true&daysAverageString=1×pan=all&scale=1&address=
http://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions-excluding-popular?showDataPoints=false&show_header=true&daysAverageString=1×pan=all&scale=1&address=

about difficulty:
linear
http://www.bitcoinx.com/charts1/chart_large_lin.png
logarythmic
http://www.bitcoinx.com/charts1/chart_large_log.png


the one sure thing out of these graphs is that the community does grow slower than an exponential function.
 (its a polynominal form and not of the form a^bx)

this also means that it is not linear in logarythmic scale, why i dont believe in thefiniteidea's chart.