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Re: Launching the Antminer L3+, World's Most Powerful and Efficient Litecoin Miner
For those of you mining litecoin with L3+, how much litecoin are you ACTUALLY generating per day? And have there been any sharp decreases in this amount? I don't want links to profit calculators please...
I'm debating whether or not to buy more L3+'s vs S9's given the lower cost of the L3+s. The breakdown I was thinking is either:
(18) L3+'s and (10) S9's
Or just go all in with 40 L3+'s
Profits seem to be about the same compared to an S9 and, at about half the price, seems like a better investment (esp considering electricity demands of the units). I'm making about .0011 BTC per day on each of my two S9's (about $22/day).
I'm debating whether or not to buy more L3+'s vs S9's given the lower cost of the L3+s. The breakdown I was thinking is either:
(18) L3+'s and (10) S9's
Or just go all in with 40 L3+'s
Profits seem to be about the same compared to an S9 and, at about half the price, seems like a better investment (esp considering electricity demands of the units). I'm making about .0011 BTC per day on each of my two S9's (about $22/day).
I assume you meant about $11/day each = $22/day total...
I haven't gotten my L3 yet but I've followed mining for a while. At one point in the not so distant past the S9 was pulling in $30+/day, at that time L3s were bringing <$20/day since bitcoin pretty much leads the pack most of the time and litecoin hadn't increased in value as much.
The L3 seems to be holding pretty well in the ~$10-20/day range, while the S9 fluctuated from ~$10-30/day range. All that being said, I personally like the fact that the L3 isn't as power hungry, and I like the litecoin project so I'm going to give it a shot.
I think you will make more over time if you went S9 unless there is a huge influx of next generation miners before you ROI...
Re: Launching the Antminer L3+, World's Most Powerful and Efficient Litecoin Miner
If anyone in the first march batch gets a shipping confirmation early please let us know. I have a 2nd batch coming in march, but I'll be moving late march and need to figure out if they are going to ship the L3 soon enough for me to not have to attempt to get them to change my shipping address... Would be awesome if they unexpectedly shipped them early, lol
You cant change shipping addresses at Bitmains.
I've read that, but I've also read that people have had their address changed as long as it wasn't a country change. Conflicting info from multiple sources, of course that's why I said "attempt" to change it. Worst case scenario I can hopefully get UPS to hold the package and just go pick it up, best case scenario bitmain ships early enough for me to get it before I move...
get UPS my choice as a backup: https://www.ups.com/us/en/services/tracking/mychoice.page
when you get the shipping confirmation from UPS, you can redirect the shipment.
That was my backup plan, although last time with my D3s it wouldn't let me change delivery at all, the only option was to sign online and have them leave them at the door...
FYI, I did get a response from bitmain saying they will not change the shipping address for any reason. I wonder what happens when someone moves and delivery fails?
Doesn't matter for me now though, as I got a shipping confirmation yesterday and it should be delivered this coming week...
Why not just asking him/her ? 
Then you dont have to open a new topic for your question 
blissz profile is here , just use the " Send this member a personal message" and you are set
Then you dont have to open a new topic for your question blissz profile is here , just use the " Send this member a personal message" and you are set
trying not to be pushy, figured someone must have already asked blissz, plus I thought I saw him post requesting that people not PM him about the firmware... Also, hopeful that maybe someone else would chime in if there are any other firmware similar to blissz that have been released.
Re: Launching the Antminer L3+, World's Most Powerful and Efficient Litecoin Miner
If anyone in the first march batch gets a shipping confirmation early please let us know. I have a 2nd batch coming in march, but I'll be moving late march and need to figure out if they are going to ship the L3 soon enough for me to not have to attempt to get them to change my shipping address... Would be awesome if they unexpectedly shipped them early, lol
You cant change shipping addresses at Bitmains.
I've read that, but I've also read that people have had their address changed as long as it wasn't a country change. Conflicting info from multiple sources, of course that's why I said "attempt" to change it. Worst case scenario I can hopefully get UPS to hold the package and just go pick it up, best case scenario bitmain ships early enough for me to get it before I move...
Re: Launching the Antminer L3+, World's Most Powerful and Efficient Litecoin Miner
If anyone in the first march batch gets a shipping confirmation early please let us know. I have a 2nd batch coming in march, but I'll be moving late march and need to figure out if they are going to ship the L3 soon enough for me to not have to attempt to get them to change my shipping address... Would be awesome if they unexpectedly shipped them early, lol
No I don't have any beans, my interest in this thread was because "Sprouting Bitbean is 10X more profitable than mining", so I like several others started to calculate if it's really true and whether or not I should start getting some bitbean's instead of instead of mining.
Since you are making at least $94/day, lets just round that up to $100/day or $3000/month for comparison purposes.
So if I wanted to get into bitbean sprouting today with a goal of making $3000/month :
I would need about 5.6 million beans to sprout ~$3000 / month. 5.6 million beans would cost ~$75,600, lets just round down to $75,000 initial investment to make $3000 / month.
So the ROI would be 75000 / 3000 = 25 months to break even.
Comparing that to the Antminer L3 (since it's available to order now), lets say an L3 after shipping, customs (US), and power supply = $1900 each
you could buy 39 L3+ miners
Each L3+ is currently making about $10 / day profit (using my electric rate of $0.10 /kwh)
so 39 * $10 = $390 / day * 30 = $11,700 / month
So the ROI would be 75000 / 11700 = 6.4 months to break even
Looks like you got lucky by jumping in super early if you were able to get that many beans for cheap, but the ship has sailed for new comers...
Looking back to November when a bean was $.0021 / bean you could have gotten the 5.6 million beans for ~$12,000 so that would be a 4 month ROI.
A 4 month ROI is better than the current 6 month ROI on an L3, but it's in no way 10X more profitable than mining, unless you have a terrible mining setup. even just buying GTX 1060s at an exorbitant inflated price would give a better ROI than buying bitbeans for sprouting at this point.
All that being said, I'm not here to argue or bash bitbean sprouting... So if there's something I'm missing and there is a way for me to get into it with a better ROI than mining, let me know...
same risk with mining.... look at what happened with the D3 antminers. Investment is risk, that's why its not for the weak. Meanwhile my beans are pumping out more Beans and my mining rigs can't even compare in satoshi generation.
true that mining and investing are both risks, but I fail to see why beans are more profitable than mining.
If beans are giving a 4% per month return, then comparing that to the D3 (I have 2) :
I'm running my D3s at low speed to cut down on heat, after factoring in power consumption they are profiting around $3.15/day
$3.15 * 30 = $94.50 / month
I paid around $1700 with the power supply, so $94.50 / $1700 = 5.6% monthly return.
So a D3 is already more profitable, and this is the worst of times for mining with a D3.
Take into account that at one point the D3 was pulling in $8 / day profit and the D3 pulls even further ahead.
Maybe if you loaded up on beans a while back when they were super cheap it was worth it, but now I just don't see it...
do you have an equitable amount in Beans to compare with? I guess I'm lucky then because I did load up on beans. 94 a month? I make at least that a day.
Since you are making at least $94/day, lets just round that up to $100/day or $3000/month for comparison purposes.
So if I wanted to get into bitbean sprouting today with a goal of making $3000/month :
I would need about 5.6 million beans to sprout ~$3000 / month. 5.6 million beans would cost ~$75,600, lets just round down to $75,000 initial investment to make $3000 / month.
So the ROI would be 75000 / 3000 = 25 months to break even.
Comparing that to the Antminer L3 (since it's available to order now), lets say an L3 after shipping, customs (US), and power supply = $1900 each
you could buy 39 L3+ miners
Each L3+ is currently making about $10 / day profit (using my electric rate of $0.10 /kwh)
so 39 * $10 = $390 / day * 30 = $11,700 / month
So the ROI would be 75000 / 11700 = 6.4 months to break even
Looks like you got lucky by jumping in super early if you were able to get that many beans for cheap, but the ship has sailed for new comers...
Looking back to November when a bean was $.0021 / bean you could have gotten the 5.6 million beans for ~$12,000 so that would be a 4 month ROI.
A 4 month ROI is better than the current 6 month ROI on an L3, but it's in no way 10X more profitable than mining, unless you have a terrible mining setup. even just buying GTX 1060s at an exorbitant inflated price would give a better ROI than buying bitbeans for sprouting at this point.
All that being said, I'm not here to argue or bash bitbean sprouting... So if there's something I'm missing and there is a way for me to get into it with a better ROI than mining, let me know...
and stuck with the bag if the price falls
same risk with mining.... look at what happened with the D3 antminers. Investment is risk, that's why its not for the weak. Meanwhile my beans are pumping out more Beans and my mining rigs can't even compare in satoshi generation.
true that mining and investing are both risks, but I fail to see why beans are more profitable than mining.
If beans are giving a 4% per month return, then comparing that to the D3 (I have 2) :
I'm running my D3s at low speed to cut down on heat, after factoring in power consumption they are profiting around $3.15/day
$3.15 * 30 = $94.50 / month
I paid around $1700 with the power supply, so $94.50 / $1700 = 5.6% monthly return.
So a D3 is already more profitable, and this is the worst of times for mining with a D3.
Take into account that at one point the D3 was pulling in $8 / day profit and the D3 pulls even further ahead.
Maybe if you loaded up on beans a while back when they were super cheap it was worth it, but now I just don't see it...
do you have an equitable amount in Beans to compare with? I guess I'm lucky then because I did load up on beans. 94 a month? I make at least that a day.
and stuck with the bag if the price falls
same risk with mining.... look at what happened with the D3 antminers. Investment is risk, that's why its not for the weak. Meanwhile my beans are pumping out more Beans and my mining rigs can't even compare in satoshi generation.
true that mining and investing are both risks, but I fail to see why beans are more profitable than mining.
If beans are giving a 4% per month return, then comparing that to the D3 (I have 2) :
I'm running my D3s at low speed to cut down on heat, after factoring in power consumption they are profiting around $3.15/day
$3.15 * 30 = $94.50 / month
I paid around $1700 with the power supply, so $94.50 / $1700 = 5.6% monthly return.
So a D3 is already more profitable, and this is the worst of times for mining with a D3.
Take into account that at one point the D3 was pulling in $8 / day profit and the D3 pulls even further ahead.
Maybe if you loaded up on beans a while back when they were super cheap it was worth it, but now I just don't see it...
at $0.01 each, $0.10 would get you 10 beans, $1.00 = 100, $10 = 1000, $100 = 10000, $1000 = 100,000 beans
Using the sprouting calculator site it shows 100k beans bringing $40 worth in sprouts a month.
So how is it a no? is the sprouting calculator wrong or are people confused with how this works? Everytime I've done any calculations it doesn't look anywhere near worth it to invest in beans, am I confused? if so, please someone explain how...
Using the sprouting calculator site it shows 100k beans bringing $40 worth in sprouts a month.
So how is it a no? is the sprouting calculator wrong or are people confused with how this works? Everytime I've done any calculations it doesn't look anywhere near worth it to invest in beans, am I confused? if so, please someone explain how...
what calculator are you using, and what's your power cost? the nicehash profitability calculator says the break even point on a 1070ti is like $0.65 USD / kWh. If you use that same rate, the 1050ti is not profitable either. So, if you are using the nicehash profitability calculator, either you had custom values entered and didn't realize it, or maybe it was a bug and you should try again. Also, use whattomine for comparison...
I've had multiple people tell me the kill a watt US version will work 240 with no issues, so I'm interested in this conversation. I found this link https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/90805/how-to-calibrate-a-kill-a-watt-meter-and-understand-its-hidden-service-menu
in that article it looks like the hidden service menu has an option to recalibrate the kill a watt to 220 instead of 110. Maybe philip should try to change the setting mentioned and redo his test to see if it then shows the correct voltage?
One of the people that told me just to use adapters and the kill a watt on 240 mentioned he has been using them in his mining farm for over a year with no issues on 240. confusing...
in that article it looks like the hidden service menu has an option to recalibrate the kill a watt to 220 instead of 110. Maybe philip should try to change the setting mentioned and redo his test to see if it then shows the correct voltage?
One of the people that told me just to use adapters and the kill a watt on 240 mentioned he has been using them in his mining farm for over a year with no issues on 240. confusing...
Re: just bought a closed looped water cooled 1080ti, Will I need a new power supply?
FYI, for a real world comparison I run 1- 1080ti seahawk, and 2 - gtx 1070 (fan style). Kill-a-watt says 570 watts draw, all 3 are 75% power limit. so if you take out one 1070 (about 140 watts) you are looking at around 430 watts at the wall...
Re: Launching the Antminer L3+, World's Most Powerful and Efficient Litecoin Miner
Batch online now $2378, delivery 10 business days. I'll pass, mine is mining $15 a day 
Super annoying that they are releasing higher priced batches, multiple times while other people have already ordered and are waiting on march batches. At a minimum they should give the march batch people the option of paying the difference to get 10 day delivery, although the right thing to do would be just ship them out to the march people early instead of offering a premium priced batch...
Are you US based? How do you wire up the Sonoff Pow on US 220v? I couldn't find any 220 wiring instructions...
As Za1n said, I've done the same thing with my Fluke setup and found similar results... One thing to keep in mind, is that in general the higher the support watts it can monitor, the lower the resolution. You're not going to be able to measure mW with something that measures thousands of watts - or more specifically, you can but it's going to cost you a bunch of cash. and as tadeus1 points out, you also need to be able to calibrate it for whatever the voltage source you're using it - and make sure the device can measure the voltage source, in case there are dips, etc.
I used to use a Kill-a-watt ages ago, then I switched to a Watts Up Pro UC (supports 240v), and lately I've fallen in love with these:
http://amzn.to/2DwPJDX
They're cheap as hell, can handle input voltages from 110v up to 240v - and give realtime data. Better still, you can take a known load, like a space heater or something similar, and calibrate them so they work even better. The only PIA with these is you have to wire on the connector yourself, but it's not that hard and also gives you the option to use C13/C14 connectors, traditional 3 plugs, etc. I've also modified all the ones I used to use one of the open-source projects, and then modified that to be more specific to my purposes - all in all an awesome option.
I also have one of these installed at home and at all our mines:
http://amzn.to/2DL0vKo
Worth every penny - you can configure it with all you your utilities billing nonsense and it's accurate within a few dollars of what my bill is every month. But as I said above, the larger the monitored load, the lower the resolution - so where the first one is accurate within a couple watts, this one is accurate within tens of watts or more depending on the size of the install (like on our 1600a mines).
I used to use a Kill-a-watt ages ago, then I switched to a Watts Up Pro UC (supports 240v), and lately I've fallen in love with these:
http://amzn.to/2DwPJDX
They're cheap as hell, can handle input voltages from 110v up to 240v - and give realtime data. Better still, you can take a known load, like a space heater or something similar, and calibrate them so they work even better. The only PIA with these is you have to wire on the connector yourself, but it's not that hard and also gives you the option to use C13/C14 connectors, traditional 3 plugs, etc. I've also modified all the ones I used to use one of the open-source projects, and then modified that to be more specific to my purposes - all in all an awesome option.
I also have one of these installed at home and at all our mines:
http://amzn.to/2DL0vKo
Worth every penny - you can configure it with all you your utilities billing nonsense and it's accurate within a few dollars of what my bill is every month. But as I said above, the larger the monitored load, the lower the resolution - so where the first one is accurate within a couple watts, this one is accurate within tens of watts or more depending on the size of the install (like on our 1600a mines).
how do you have it connected to the 220? My PDU has C19 plugs, are you using an adapter to convert C19 to 5-15 and plug the kill-a-watt into it? Pics of how you have it setup would be great. I thought the 5-15 plugs were only 110V, so I'm confused how you are plugging the normal Kill-A-Watt into your 220. thanks
C13 to Nema 5-15 > into kill-a-watt > then I have an adapter that is nema 5-15R to c14 that plugs into my PDUs. If I have time ill try to take a picture later.
That's what I thought, I just haven't been able to find any adapters or cables that are rated for 220v. If you remember where you got your cables/adapters let us know. thanks
blissz,
I would recommend you release the source with your dev fee included but as an optional percentage. This would allow people with multiple miners to set a dev fee percentage on one miner to handle the dev fees for the other miners so they wouldn't need to switch pools. You may even find some people setting a percentage higher than 1.5%.
Also, a flat fee for a "prebuilt" version would be nice, or maybe just donations and hope most people aren't over greedy.
As a developer myself, I'm really interested to look through the changes you made. If you release the code to the wild I would most likely build a dev fee free version to use myself, but I would be happy to donate a one time fee for your help.
Hopefully you will find that there are more people that appreciate your work and are willing to donate a one time or percentage fee than those that are just looking to leech off your work...
I would recommend you release the source with your dev fee included but as an optional percentage. This would allow people with multiple miners to set a dev fee percentage on one miner to handle the dev fees for the other miners so they wouldn't need to switch pools. You may even find some people setting a percentage higher than 1.5%.
Also, a flat fee for a "prebuilt" version would be nice, or maybe just donations and hope most people aren't over greedy.
As a developer myself, I'm really interested to look through the changes you made. If you release the code to the wild I would most likely build a dev fee free version to use myself, but I would be happy to donate a one time fee for your help.
Hopefully you will find that there are more people that appreciate your work and are willing to donate a one time or percentage fee than those that are just looking to leech off your work...
Hi All,
I wasn't aware of the GPL license, so I did some investigation last days. After reading the GPL licenses I can conclude that stangerm2 is right. So that means I do have to provide the modified sources as most of the current modifications are now build on top of a linked module in cgminer.
There are some consequences in releasing the source though:
- As far as I know, Bitmain is free to use these improvements in their current and their new products they will sell. I do hope they compensate these free goodies with a multi algorithm D3 firmware one day
- There will probably appear modified firmware binaries which can cause damaging your miners if the maker doesn't know what he's doing...
- I had plans to buy a S9 as there are a lot of requests and make a modified S9 version, but I might consider not to jump on that boat for now. (let's first see what will happen with the D3)
Legit alternatives instead of releasing the sourcecode
- I stop this project and take the binaries offline. I don't like this option, as the whole idea is to help improve the situations for the D3 owners.
- Temporary I take the binaries offline and I will write something from scratch / not linked to the sources of cgminer. This will take away the consequences, but a lot of time and effort (at least a month or two) will be put into something that will probably not lead to any improvements for you guys.
My proposal
- Although these consequences I will release source of a stable version (non BETA) that allow others to investigate the voltage / fan mods / fault check improvements I did. (devfee related code will be removed from the source). This allow others to look into the changes I did to make a binary for themselves without devfee.
BETA functionality will be left out of the source right now since it's not yet stable and will create dangerous situations when used in a wrong way. I might have to restrict the use of a BETA versions to a closed group instead of providing a public link to the BETA versions.
Happy mining
Ciao Blissz
I wasn't aware of the GPL license, so I did some investigation last days. After reading the GPL licenses I can conclude that stangerm2 is right. So that means I do have to provide the modified sources as most of the current modifications are now build on top of a linked module in cgminer.
There are some consequences in releasing the source though:
- As far as I know, Bitmain is free to use these improvements in their current and their new products they will sell. I do hope they compensate these free goodies with a multi algorithm D3 firmware one day
- There will probably appear modified firmware binaries which can cause damaging your miners if the maker doesn't know what he's doing...
- I had plans to buy a S9 as there are a lot of requests and make a modified S9 version, but I might consider not to jump on that boat for now. (let's first see what will happen with the D3)
Legit alternatives instead of releasing the sourcecode
- I stop this project and take the binaries offline. I don't like this option, as the whole idea is to help improve the situations for the D3 owners.
- Temporary I take the binaries offline and I will write something from scratch / not linked to the sources of cgminer. This will take away the consequences, but a lot of time and effort (at least a month or two) will be put into something that will probably not lead to any improvements for you guys.
My proposal
- Although these consequences I will release source of a stable version (non BETA) that allow others to investigate the voltage / fan mods / fault check improvements I did. (devfee related code will be removed from the source). This allow others to look into the changes I did to make a binary for themselves without devfee.
BETA functionality will be left out of the source right now since it's not yet stable and will create dangerous situations when used in a wrong way. I might have to restrict the use of a BETA versions to a closed group instead of providing a public link to the BETA versions.
Happy mining
Ciao Blissz
Flat fee was never an option.
I'm willing to pay a flat fee? is that still an option? (or not or never has been?)
I see things are kinda in flux here..just asking
if anyone has time to get me up to speed
brad
I see things are kinda in flux here..just asking
if anyone has time to get me up to speed
brad
Re: Launching the Antminer L3+, World's Most Powerful and Efficient Litecoin Miner
I'm waiting on an L3+ I ordered when they were ~1500 for march delivery and used a coupon to help a little. Anyway, when they listed another batch last night, they included a batch for $2378 that ships withing 10 working days. That's a bunch of BS to come out with an immediate batch when you already have people waiting, also they didn't give the people waiting an opportunity to pay more for faster delivery.
Is bitmain liquidating all of their personal L3+'s?
Is bitmain liquidating all of their personal L3+'s?
FYI, To answer my own question, I emailed bitmain, this is their response :
"Below are the normal temperature of chips - all in Centigrade,
D3: the temp(Chip) should be 35-80
If the PCB board temperature goes higher than 85 the miner will shut off automatically."
"Below are the normal temperature of chips - all in Centigrade,
D3: the temp(Chip) should be 35-80
If the PCB board temperature goes higher than 85 the miner will shut off automatically."
Maximum Temperatures for the D3?
So, I've been confused about the maximum temps for the D3 the entire time and wanted to see if you guys know the correct max temps.
Just to recap, In the manual it states that the Maximum Ambient Operating Temperature is 40 degrees Celsius, and that the miner will shut down if the PCB Temp hits 85 degrees Celsius.
Now, I see most people referring to the Chip Temp, not the PCB Temp. I've been trying to keep my Chip Temp below 85 by downclocking my D3s, but now I'm thinking that it's not necessary. I've seen where the Chip temp on the S9s is commonly over 100C, and I saw a post which indicated it was from bitmain support that said the S9 chip temp should stay below 115C.
So, should when people refer to Max Temps, should we be referring to the Chip or PCB?
And if bitmain says in the manual to keep PCB under 85C what should we try to keep Chip temps at?
I built some sound reducing boxes (miners in garage), but they increase the temps a little. Even in the boxes though the PCB temps are in the mid 60s on one D3 (smaller enclosure, 450 clock) with the Chip temps around 80, my other D3 (newer larger enclosure, 500 clock) has PCB in upper 60s, chips in low 70s. I was worried the temps were too high, but now I'm thinking I should just crank them both up as long as they stay under 80 PCB temp?
Anyone have the official Chip temp max?
So, I've been confused about the maximum temps for the D3 the entire time and wanted to see if you guys know the correct max temps.
Just to recap, In the manual it states that the Maximum Ambient Operating Temperature is 40 degrees Celsius, and that the miner will shut down if the PCB Temp hits 85 degrees Celsius.
Now, I see most people referring to the Chip Temp, not the PCB Temp. I've been trying to keep my Chip Temp below 85 by downclocking my D3s, but now I'm thinking that it's not necessary. I've seen where the Chip temp on the S9s is commonly over 100C, and I saw a post which indicated it was from bitmain support that said the S9 chip temp should stay below 115C.
So, should when people refer to Max Temps, should we be referring to the Chip or PCB?
And if bitmain says in the manual to keep PCB under 85C what should we try to keep Chip temps at?
I built some sound reducing boxes (miners in garage), but they increase the temps a little. Even in the boxes though the PCB temps are in the mid 60s on one D3 (smaller enclosure, 450 clock) with the Chip temps around 80, my other D3 (newer larger enclosure, 500 clock) has PCB in upper 60s, chips in low 70s. I was worried the temps were too high, but now I'm thinking I should just crank them both up as long as they stay under 80 PCB temp?
Anyone have the official Chip temp max?