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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
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cpu6502
on 12/11/2024, 15:06:05 UTC

Note that if Trump wants to shut the war down really fast, all he has to do is see to it that the US sends $200-billion to Russia. [Video included at the site.]

Vlad Putin: “We Are Ready to Speak with Trump – His Behavior When There Was an Attempt on His Life, I Was Impressed

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Kremlin says reports that Trump and Putin spoke in recent days are 'pure fiction'

That is the problem when two compulsive liers meet uh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyEOo1fqUCI
Seem the phone call did take place, but Putin is not interested in Trump's peace plan ideas.

“Donald Trump is realising how complicated this is going to be.”
Donald Trump’s reported call to Vladimir Putin backfires as the Russian leader “signals a willingness not to move on this issue”, says Julia Manchester, reporter in Washington DC for The Hill.

So what happens in the situation if Ukraine plays ball and sits at the negotiating table and Russia doesn't?

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Re: Trump as a Dictator
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cpu6502
on 12/11/2024, 06:26:05 UTC
What? What kind of dictator? Are you crazy? This is the best thing in the USA right now!
Most people here are simply parroting the shit they hear from MSNBC. People who watch MSNBC have absolutely no social skills and just do everything they can to make themselves look like the asses that they are as much as possible.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

No, they are just parroting what Trump said.

Code:
Hannity: "I want to go back to this one issue though because the media has been focused on this and attacking you. Under no circumstances you're promising America tonight you would never abuse power as retribution against anybody?"

Trump: "Except for Day 1."

Hannity: "Except for?"

Trump: (pointing to Hannity) "Look, he’s going crazy. Except for Day 1."

Hannity: "Meaning?"

Trump: "I want to close the border and I want to drill, drill, drill."

Hannity: "That’s not retribution."

Trump, referring to Hannity: "We love this guy. He says, ‘You are not going to be a dictator, are you?’ I said, ‘No, no, no, other than Day 1.’ We are closing the border and we are drilling, drilling, drilling. After that I am not a dictator, OK?"

Hannity: "That sounds to me like you’re going back to the policies when you were president."


Just on day 1. Hardly filling me with confidence; perhaps it might slip over to day 2.......
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
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cpu6502
on 12/11/2024, 06:15:38 UTC
Trump will want Ukraine and Russia to be quickly done and dusted so he can move onto other election promises. But I think he's wading into a conflict he has little understanding of.

I mean what will Trump do if Ukraine and Russia both reject the "peace" deal?
Ukraine won't be happy with battle lines frozen because they want back what was stolen.
Russia won't be happy with battle lines frozen because they want all of Ukraine and the current government removed.

What will Trump do then do you think? I really don't know.

I guess stopping the war is kinda easy sort of.
But keeping it stopped is a totally different beast altogether; that's the hard part.



Trump sees China as its biggest risk. As such his priority would be to drive Russia as far away from China as possible.

You're still thinking of this as if Ukraine has any choice in any of this. Wars are expensive, and stopping one is easy. No money = no war. Look up what happened last time Ukrainian aid package made it through US congress. They're trying to rush the remainder of that aid out to Ukraine now, but there's only enough for Ukraine to last few more months after that...? Now consider that republicans got both chambers, and the position of speaker of the house, VP's and president on Ukraine. And now ask yourself if the next aid package will be approved, if so how long will Ukraine have to wait this time without aid, and will it be less same or more than the last one (we all see how much progress Ukraine was able to achieve with the current rate of aid).

This didn't address my question.

What you suggest is a way to get Ukraine to the negotiating table. That makes sense.
Trump could threaten to increase aid to Ukraine to get Russia to the table. That makes sense too.

But what happens if they can't agree? That's my question.
If Trump reduces aid to Ukraine, it emboldens China (and others), increasing the risk to US from China. The very thing you said his priority was to avoid.
If Trump increases aid to Ukraine, according to this forum thread, that will drag out the war. Trumps breaks an election promise of a quick resolve.
If Trump does nothing it's an election promise broken and China emboldened.

You see it easy to come up with simple answers to complicated problems when you're a presidential candidate with no responsibility. But Trump won, and when he takes office it will be his responsibility; simple answers to complicated problems are then not useful.


In wars no one cares about what you want it's what you can get.

Support for sending money to Ukraine is eroding, it's uneven and much lower with republicans than democrats. Discussing what if Trump decides to ignore his party, break his promise and send even more money to the person he blames for starting war and called the greatest salesman on Earth" for having solicited and received billions of dollars of U.S. military aid, is like discussing what if Martians show up and start helping Ukraine. Let's keep the discussion to what is plausible.

Money is running out for Ukraine and everyone at the negotiation table knows it, and all outcomes must be based on this. In politics there's not always a good option available. Most of the time you have to compromise between bad and worse, and on top of that the bad/worse positions often flip between short and long terms.

Also, Ukraine has issues with manpower, North Koreans is sending some troops to Russia, even if Trump could send more money to Ukraine what do you think it would achieve?

So no, Trump will not increase aid to Ukraine and EU cannot compensate that. Zelenskiy would step down, get a cozy spot in US, and let his team negotiate the terms. In a hypothetical where he just goes mad and refuses to accept reality, his generals would find a way to force him one way or the other (as history shows).

You picked the "If Trump reduces aid to Ukraine, it emboldens China (and others), increasing the risk to US from China. The very thing you said his priority was to avoid." option (I think). That's okay, just asking peoples opinion that's all.
Myself, I don't know the answer.

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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
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cpu6502
on 11/11/2024, 18:52:25 UTC
Trump will want Ukraine and Russia to be quickly done and dusted so he can move onto other election promises. But I think he's wading into a conflict he has little understanding of.

I mean what will Trump do if Ukraine and Russia both reject the "peace" deal?
Ukraine won't be happy with battle lines frozen because they want back what was stolen.
Russia won't be happy with battle lines frozen because they want all of Ukraine and the current government removed.

What will Trump do then do you think? I really don't know.

I guess stopping the war is kinda easy sort of.
But keeping it stopped is a totally different beast altogether; that's the hard part.



Trump sees China as its biggest risk. As such his priority would be to drive Russia as far away from China as possible.

You're still thinking of this as if Ukraine has any choice in any of this. Wars are expensive, and stopping one is easy. No money = no war. Look up what happened last time Ukrainian aid package made it through US congress. They're trying to rush the remainder of that aid out to Ukraine now, but there's only enough for Ukraine to last few more months after that...? Now consider that republicans got both chambers, and the position of speaker of the house, VP's and president on Ukraine. And now ask yourself if the next aid package will be approved, if so how long will Ukraine have to wait this time without aid, and will it be less same or more than the last one (we all see how much progress Ukraine was able to achieve with the current rate of aid).

This didn't address my question.

What you suggest is a way to get Ukraine to the negotiating table. That makes sense.
Trump could threaten to increase aid to Ukraine to get Russia to the table. That makes sense too.

But what happens if they can't agree? That's my question.
If Trump reduces aid to Ukraine, it emboldens China (and others), increasing the risk to US from China. The very thing you said his priority was to avoid.
If Trump increases aid to Ukraine, according to this forum thread, that will drag out the war. Trumps breaks an election promise of a quick resolve.
If Trump does nothing it's an election promise broken and China emboldened.

You see it easy to come up with simple answers to complicated problems when you're a candidate with no responsibility. But Trump won, and when he takes office it will be his responsibility, suddenly it's all different.

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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
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cpu6502
on 11/11/2024, 14:36:21 UTC
Trump will want Ukraine and Russia to be quickly done and dusted so he can move onto other election promises. But I think he's wading into a conflict he has little understanding of.

I mean what will Trump do if Ukraine and Russia both reject the "peace" deal?
Ukraine won't be happy with battle lines frozen because they want back what was stolen.
Russia won't be happy with battle lines frozen because they want all of Ukraine and the current government removed.

What will Trump do then do you think? I really don't know.

I guess stopping the war is kinda easy sort of.
But keeping it stopped is a totally different beast altogether; that's the hard part.




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Re: Trump as a Dictator
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cpu6502
on 11/11/2024, 07:33:41 UTC
Trump is a president like any other. The fact leftists paint him as the supreme dictator doesn't turn him into one.

If someone is labelled as a swimmer because they go swimming every weekend, don't be surprised.
If someone is labelled as gay because they go into gay bars every Saturday night, don't be surprised.
If someone is labelled as religious because they carry a bible around with them, don't be surprised.
If someone is labelled as car enthusiast because they own five immaculate rare cars, don't be surprised.
If someone is labelled as a dictator because they fawn over and praise known dictators, don't be surprised.

If Trump has been labelled as a dictator (rightly or wrongly), blame no-one else but him.
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Re: How About a Temporary Amendment for a 3rd Term for Trump?
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cpu6502
on 10/11/2024, 10:17:37 UTC
An opposition to any party in control is very important.

It would be a bad thing for democrats to have complete control and likewise a bad thing for republicans to have complete control.
An opposition tries to keep the balance and accountability.

If you want a glimpse of the world when opposition and accountability is remove, take a look eastwards.

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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
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cpu6502
on 09/11/2024, 17:16:07 UTC
Note that if Trump wants to shut the war down really fast, all he has to do is see to it that the US sends $200-billion to Russia.
One week it's BRICKEDcoin dedollarisation theme, the next week it's Russia can't get enough of the dollar theme.

Make up your mind.  Cheesy
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Re: Trump as a Dictator
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cpu6502
on 09/11/2024, 17:11:17 UTC
"When I see a bird that walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck." - James Whitcomb Riley (1849–1916)
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Re: How About a Temporary Amendment for a 3rd Term for Trump?
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cpu6502
on 08/11/2024, 14:13:57 UTC
Great fun isn't it, smashing down all those nasty frameworks, scaffolding and safety nets....

... until the wheels fall off, and the penny finally drops why they was put there in the first place.
To protect you.

Then it's not so fun anymore, but by then it's too late.

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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
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cpu6502
on 08/11/2024, 13:40:49 UTC
Russia wants peace just like people everywhere.... except the warmongers, of course. Peace means fair and free trade between peoples of nations. But to maintain peace, Russia (like all nations) needs security. And in this modern day and age, security for a major nation involves nuclear weapons.

The threat of using nukes might be a deterrent to war. But unused nukes are useless when the warmonger game is played right up to the edge of a real fight. And that is where things have gone in the Ukraine war.

Russia will wait a little longer to see how Trump will play the game. But make no mistake. Russia is not fooling when they say that they will use nukes. They may use them as a last resort, but can anyone guess what Russia will really consider to be a last resort? Let's hope Trump and his advisors are wise.


West underestimating Moscow on nukes – Medvedev
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Hypothetical Question:
Let's say Putin formally announces tomorrow, to the world, that he's had enough and he want all Ukrainian troops to surrender by 00:00 hours, January 1st 2025. If they don't, nukes will start flying in a westward direction. He also adds "I'm not bluffing."

Nuclear blackmail.

So how would the world respond? There is only 2 choices available:
1) Oh okay, please don't. Yes Sir, right away. Whatever you say.
2) Call his bluff.

Option 1 - Well, once your gone down this rabbit hole there's no turning back. Your good as dead anyway, suicidal. North Korea and Iran will be taking notes and looking to replicate. Will replicate.
Option 2 - You may be dead, then again maybe not.

So the logical option is to pick no 2, as option 1 isn't a world worth living in anyway.


Odds are that if Putin is serious about using nukes, why would he give any warning? The nukes will simply fly. Some governments of the world will know it is happening, almost immediately. But most of us will never know until we see the mushroom clouds off in the distance, or until we lose our Facebook. The rest of us will be instantly headed for Heaven or Hell.

Cool

The point I was trying to make was surrendering to nuclear blackmail is never a rational option to take.
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
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cpu6502
on 07/11/2024, 20:03:12 UTC
Russia wants peace just like people everywhere.... except the warmongers, of course. Peace means fair and free trade between peoples of nations. But to maintain peace, Russia (like all nations) needs security. And in this modern day and age, security for a major nation involves nuclear weapons.

The threat of using nukes might be a deterrent to war. But unused nukes are useless when the warmonger game is played right up to the edge of a real fight. And that is where things have gone in the Ukraine war.

Russia will wait a little longer to see how Trump will play the game. But make no mistake. Russia is not fooling when they say that they will use nukes. They may use them as a last resort, but can anyone guess what Russia will really consider to be a last resort? Let's hope Trump and his advisors are wise.


West underestimating Moscow on nukes – Medvedev
...
Hypothetical Question:
Let's say Putin formally announces tomorrow, to the world, that he's had enough and he want all Ukrainian troops to surrender by 00:00 hours, January 1st 2025. If they don't, nukes will start flying in a westward direction. He also adds "I'm not bluffing."

Nuclear blackmail.

So how would the world respond? There is only 2 choices available:
1) Oh okay, please don't. Yes Sir, right away. Whatever you say.
2) Call his bluff.

Option 1 - Well, once your gone down this rabbit hole there's no turning back. Your good as dead anyway, suicidal. North Korea and Iran will be taking notes and looking to replicate. Will replicate.
Option 2 - You may be dead, then again maybe not.

So the logical option is to pick no 2, as option 1 isn't a world worth living in anyway.



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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
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cpu6502
on 06/11/2024, 20:17:19 UTC
Well, when will the war end...
When Russia's thirst for war has been quenched.

Get the US out of it. We have wasted too much of our money over there already.
Rewarding Russia for want it's done will not quench the thirst.

That's the green light China is waiting for with Tawian.
Thumbs up for North Korea as well.
Iran taking notes.

Then it's only a matter of time before the US gets it's next inevitable Pearl harbour moment. Only a matter of time.


The uncomfortable reality is that the US's future is inextricably linked to Ukraine's. There's no way around that.




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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
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cpu6502
on 21/10/2024, 17:43:21 UTC
About 1,500 North Korean fighters are already ready to fight against Ukraine on behalf of Russia. I think Russia should have that right.

You're forgetting, Russia's invasion is illegal. Russia's hired solders (including their own) have no right to be in Ukraine.
Putin is spending hundreds of millions into their disinformation campaign, trying to make sure you forget it was illegal.
Don't every forget. Make him waste his money.

As for those North Korean solders, well, North Korea is the largest open air prison in the world. They will never be allowed back into the hermit kingdom. Never.
So their only chance of freedom now is to get to Ukraine. If they can get there alive, they will taste freedom for the first time in their life.
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Re: It's not ww3 and info is missleading i don't think we ever have ww3
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cpu6502
on 16/10/2024, 10:33:43 UTC
No one will attack Europe and the United States, all countries of evil do not have the guts to attack. And in general, no one needs a third world war.
You've heard about Russia invading Ukraine right? Ukraine is in Europe.
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
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cpu6502
on 13/10/2024, 20:38:36 UTC
^^^^^^

Ukrainians are smart enough to read the history books, so they're knowledgeable what happens when dictators are appeased.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana, 1905
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
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cpu6502
on 13/10/2024, 19:55:36 UTC
Why doesn't Ukraine just surrender and live?

Because it's better to die fighting for what you believe in, with honour and courage, than surrendering and dying in some Russian holocaust style gas/torture chamber hell.

If they surrender they are dead men/woman/children walking anyway, the logical option is to fight.
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
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cpu6502
on 12/10/2024, 07:29:59 UTC
You think that Russia's only way to move in a war is with nukes. But they still have a million reserve troops, all ready and waiting for Nato to make a wrong move.

Problem is those "troops" are only good at killing unarmed civilians. A++++ star grade for that. Top of excellence. The crème de la crème. Pride of Russia.

However, when challenged against a real army, with weapons, the wheels quickly fall off.




Actually, no USA war had "better" killed soldier/civilian ratio...or just look at Israel,
Both USA and Israel are "collateral damage" champs, totally not caring about dead civilians
Considering amount of munition fired, Ukraine war is one of cleanest, despite whole
western media attempts to prove otherwise
Strawman argument + whataboutism.



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Re: Biggest weakness of russian military and people that's not told but true
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cpu6502
on 11/10/2024, 18:06:20 UTC
Russians continue to move forward nevertheless. Whatever set back you think they have is most likely deliberate.

Yes, the Russia's are so crafty.
Look how they deliberately keep their oil refineries/depots poorly defended, so the Ukrainians fall into the trap of blowing them up.
Take the Marine Oil Terminal in Feodosia, Crimea for example. That baby blew up Tuesday, and the Russians are still letting it burn today, just to show the Ukrainians how they got outsmarted.

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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
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cpu6502
on 11/10/2024, 12:27:05 UTC
You think that Russia's only way to move in a war is with nukes. But they still have a million reserve troops, all ready and waiting for Nato to make a wrong move.

Problem is those "troops" are only good at killing unarmed civilians. A++++ star grade for that. Top of excellence. The crème de la crème. Pride of Russia.

However, when challenged against a real army, with weapons, the wheels quickly fall off.