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Re: Wirex- Bitcoin Debit Card | Buy Bitcoin | Mobile Banking | Send Money
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eduBTC
on 16/05/2017, 10:43:44 UTC
Why this insane exchange rate

1728$ is actual btc rate at 9:47 am forum time

1364$ is wirex btc exchange rate

27% markup, is this not fair?

we are losing 1/3 rd of our Bitcoin withdrawal.

Can you guys please fix this today. Please do not charge from us your customers more than 5 to 10%.
They are doing this now for a month, nothing will stop them now. There is no mercy from them. Just order another debit card.
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Re: Wirex- Bitcoin Debit Card | Buy Bitcoin | Mobile Banking | Send Money
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eduBTC
on 13/05/2017, 21:39:23 UTC
@Wirex:

Please can you implement that user can generate new BTC-adresses for every transaktion to Wirex?
Its standard in the BTC-world to use new addresses for every transaktion.

Z80
Just use another wallet, with better features and lower fees (wirex charges 20%)
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Re: Wirex- Bitcoin Debit Card | Buy Bitcoin | Mobile Banking | Send Money
by
eduBTC
on 12/05/2017, 11:40:05 UTC
i made purchase on amazon.co.uk then i got charged in 9th may for all items i ordered then two days later i got mail from amazon.co.uk that my payment has been declined. then next day i got charged some more and now i have payed more than what my order cost. what a mess  Angry

just buy amazon vouchers for bitcoin, why do you need card for that...
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Re: Wirex- Bitcoin Debit Card | Buy Bitcoin | Mobile Banking | Send Money
by
eduBTC
on 12/05/2017, 09:40:46 UTC
yup, this is very, very bad...the fee is 1$ so they 8$ away from my 30$ transaction
Just change your provider, others are giving free cards on the forum
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Re: Wirex- Bitcoin Debit Card | Buy Bitcoin | Mobile Banking | Send Money
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eduBTC
on 12/05/2017, 07:48:52 UTC
Exchanging GBP 90.97 from virtual card to 0.062733BTC and then same BTC amount to GBP on plastic card resulted in 81.58GBP on my (plastic) card. (BTC did not change value in those few minutes).

This is just too much.



Yes it is too much, just switch to other services, then they will low their pretend

and here is their explanation

https://help.wirexapp.com/hc/en-us/articles/115002983509-Currencies-exchange-rate

at least it seems they are working on it...but in any case after 50 USD, the fee should be normal.

Q. Why is my exchange rate for $10 around 20%?!

A. This is because of a blockchain fee.

Due to our global reach and rate of growth, our network of liquidity providers around the world usually requires instant settlement for the high volume of transactions that we do. At present, this means that many of our currency exchanges are done on the blockchain (on-chain) and therefore incur a blockchain fee.

Blockchain fees depend on several factors including network congestion, transaction confirmation times (this can be affected by liquidity providers), and blockchain size (as measured in kilobytes which are affected when converting bitcoin from multiple inputs such as earned on faucets or other micro-transactions).

Other exchanges are experiencing a similar challenge with blockchain fees, with some now introducing on-chain fees for all transactions, as most recently reported by Coindesk, March 15, 2017: Coinbase to Charge Fees for On-Blockchain Transactions.

Exchanging small amounts makes any blockchain fee required for the transaction to be a significant percentage of the overall amount.

For example:
A typical blockchain fee of 0.0005 BTC at today's prices (early May 2017) is ~$1. This means that an exchange of $10 to bitcoin might incur a $1 blockchain fee, which is 10%. An exchange of $1000 might also incur the same $1 blockchain fee, which is just 0.1%.

This is why we encourage customers to convert larger amounts to get the best possible exchange rate. The more you exchange, the better the rates. For example, exchanging $100 with a $1 blockchain fee is just 1% exchange rate.

Q. What are you going to do about that?

A. Wirex wants to support small exchange amounts for our customers in all countries where $10 transfers are popular.

We are working to increase the number of liquidity providers so that we can process small exchange amounts 'off-chain' (outside of the blockchain network) and therefore not incur any blockchain fee at all for smaller exchange amounts.

This update to move small exchange amounts off-chain will take some time due to 3rd party integration requirements throughout our global liquidity network. We are aiming for the end of May 2017. Users will be notified via app updates and other announcements.

Bullshit, other exchanges such as xapo, spectrocoin are managing to work with low value transactions even during the period of high transaction fees.... bad bad management of the business
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Re: Wirex- Bitcoin Debit Card | Buy Bitcoin | Mobile Banking | Send Money
by
eduBTC
on 11/05/2017, 11:13:06 UTC
Charging crazy 21.45% fee


Last update: 2017-05-08


ProviderXapoWirexCryptoPaySpectroCoinUquidAdvCashCoinizy
You get EUR for one BTC1462.25281175.391462.61468.671468.311458.85943451691407.40628982256
Margin2.28%21.45%2.26%1.86%1.88%2.51%5.95%
Loading fee0%0%1%0%1%10%
Total margin2.28%21.45%3.26%1.86%2.88%2.58%5.95%
Card Price and one year fees2029272128.9914.99No plastic
You get EUR for one BTC final1442.25281146.391420.9741447.671424.63691442.8694345169Not applicable

The Bitstamp price is 1496.43 EUR for 1 BTC


what the hell is going on, i got ripped off yesterday when BTC was 1700, they used sub 1400 value. it must be a mistake...

It is not a mistake, they are just cashing out by these huge margins Smiley
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Re: Wirex- Bitcoin Debit Card | Buy Bitcoin | Mobile Banking | Send Money
by
eduBTC
on 08/05/2017, 21:10:05 UTC
Charging crazy 21.45% fee


Last update: 2017-05-08


ProviderXapoWirexCryptoPaySpectroCoinUquidAdvCashCoinizy
You get EUR for one BTC1462.25281175.391462.61468.671468.311458.85943451691407.40628982256
Margin2.28%21.45%2.26%1.86%1.88%2.51%5.95%
Loading fee0%0%1%0%1%10%
Total margin2.28%21.45%3.26%1.86%2.88%2.58%5.95%
Card Price and one year fees2029272128.9914.99No plastic
You get EUR for one BTC final1442.25281146.391420.9741447.671424.63691442.8694345169Not applicable

The Bitstamp price is 1496.43 EUR for 1 BTC
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Re: Price comparison of Bitcoin Debit Cards
by
eduBTC
on 08/05/2017, 21:09:00 UTC
Prices as on: 2017-05-08


ProviderXapoWirexCryptoPaySpectroCoinUquidAdvCashCoinizy
You get EUR for one BTC1462.25281175.391462.61468.671468.311458.85943451691407.40628982256
Margin2.28%21.45%2.26%1.86%1.88%2.51%5.95%
Loading fee0%0%1%0%1%10%
Total margin2.28%21.45%3.26%1.86%2.88%2.58%5.95%
Card Price and one year fees2029272128.9914.99No plastic
You get EUR for one BTC final1442.25281146.391420.9741447.671424.63691442.8694345169Not applicable

The Bitstamp price is 1496.43 EUR for 1 BTC
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Re: Wirex- Bitcoin Debit Card | Buy Bitcoin | Mobile Banking | Send Money
by
eduBTC
on 30/04/2017, 18:00:07 UTC
exchange rate depends on how much BTC you want to convert. You can notice changing the exchange rate when entering BTC value in the textbox Smiley

Yes it changes, but I am trying to exchange 0.18 BTC which is not such a small amount for a card load. So I think the fee is too high anyways Wink
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Re: Cryptopay Bitcoin Debit card + Giveaway
by
eduBTC
on 30/04/2017, 11:42:59 UTC
Cryptopay has one of the largest margins in the market

ProviderXapoWirexCryptoPaySpectroCoinUquidAdvCashCoinizy
You get EUR for one BTC1191.2532960.31175.0511195.71198.631185.981136.01
Margin2.34%21.27%3.67%1.98%1.74%2.77%6.87%
Loading fee0%0%1%0%1%10%
Total margin2.34%21.27%4.67%1.98%2.74%2.86%6.87%
Card Price and one year fees2029272128.9914.99No plastic
You get EUR for one BTC final1171.2532931.31136.300491174.71157.65371169.99Not applicable
                           
                           
The Bitstamp price is 1219.8 EUR for 1 BTC

Hello!

As it was mentioned in my previous reply, the above-mentioned rate is dynamic and changes constantly. Sometimes it can be better or a little bit worse than our competitor's rate. We have our own price discovery and it is not linked to Bitstamp. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask!

I am following prices for more than a month and CryptoPay is never the best in the market Wink
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Re: Wirex- Bitcoin Debit Card | Buy Bitcoin | Mobile Banking | Send Money
by
eduBTC
on 30/04/2017, 11:41:39 UTC
The fee is 20.01%

ProviderXapoWirexCryptoPaySpectroCoinUquidAdvCashCoinizy
You get EUR for one BTC1196.9623966.731176.4571182.111207.991190.641139.41
Margin0.96%20.01%2.66%2.19%0.05%1.48%5.72%
Loading fee0%0%1%0%1%10%
Total margin0.96%20.01%3.66%2.19%1.05%1.57%5.72%
Card Price and one year fees2029272128.9914.99No plastic
You get EUR for one BTC final1176.9623937.731137.692431161.111166.92011174.65Not applicable
                              
                              
The Bitstamp price is 1208.58 EUR for 1 BTC
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Re: Price comparison of Bitcoin Debit Cards
by
eduBTC
on 30/04/2017, 11:39:47 UTC
Prices as on 2017-04-30


ProviderXapoWirexCryptoPaySpectroCoinUquidAdvCashCoinizy
You get EUR for one BTC1196.9623966.731176.4571182.111207.991190.641139.41
Margin0.96%20.01%2.66%2.19%0.05%1.48%5.72%
Loading fee0%0%1%0%1%10%
Total margin0.96%20.01%3.66%2.19%1.05%1.57%5.72%
Card Price and one year fees2029272128.9914.99No plastic
You get EUR for one BTC final1176.9623937.731137.692431161.111166.92011174.65Not applicable
                              
                              
The Bitstamp price is 1208.58 EUR for 1 BTC
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Re: Cryptopay Bitcoin Debit card + Giveaway
by
eduBTC
on 29/04/2017, 09:22:06 UTC
Cryptopay has one of the largest margins in the market

ProviderXapoWirexCryptoPaySpectroCoinUquidAdvCashCoinizy
You get EUR for one BTC1191.2532960.31175.0511195.71198.631185.981136.01
Margin2.34%21.27%3.67%1.98%1.74%2.77%6.87%
Loading fee0%0%1%0%1%10%
Total margin2.34%21.27%4.67%1.98%2.74%2.86%6.87%
Card Price and one year fees2029272128.9914.99No plastic
You get EUR for one BTC final1171.2532931.31136.300491174.71157.65371169.99Not applicable
                           
                           
The Bitstamp price is 1219.8 EUR for 1 BTC
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Re: Wirex- Bitcoin Debit Card | Buy Bitcoin | Mobile Banking | Send Money
by
eduBTC
on 29/04/2017, 09:20:44 UTC
Be careful margin of 21.27% as on 2017-04-29


ProviderXapoWirexCryptoPaySpectroCoinUquidAdvCashCoinizy
You get EUR for one BTC1191.2532960.31175.0511195.71198.631185.981136.01
Margin2.34%21.27%3.67%1.98%1.74%2.77%6.87%
Loading fee0%0%1%0%1%10%
Total margin2.34%21.27%4.67%1.98%2.74%2.86%6.87%
Card Price and one year fees2029272128.9914.99No plastic
You get EUR for one BTC final1171.2532931.31136.300491174.71157.65371169.99Not applicable
                           
                           
The Bitstamp price is 1219.8 EUR for 1 BTC   
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Re: Price comparison of Bitcoin Debit Cards
by
eduBTC
on 29/04/2017, 09:19:48 UTC
Prices as on 2017-04-29


ProviderXapoWirexCryptoPaySpectroCoinUquidAdvCashCoinizy
You get EUR for one BTC1191.2532960.31175.0511195.71198.631185.981136.01
Margin2.34%21.27%3.67%1.98%1.74%2.77%6.87%
Loading fee0%0%1%0%1%10%
Total margin2.34%21.27%4.67%1.98%2.74%2.86%6.87%
Card Price and one year fees2029272128.9914.99No plastic
You get EUR for one BTC final1171.2532931.31136.300491174.71157.65371169.99Not applicable
                           
                           
The Bitstamp price is 1219.8 EUR for 1 BTC   
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Re: 2017 Bitcoin Debit Card Reviews
by
eduBTC
on 26/04/2017, 17:48:46 UTC
Ok, now wirex partially solved the problem.

Today 26/04, 11:25 AM:
coingecko 998 GBP/BTC
coinbase 1001GBP/BTC
wirex 991.01 GBP/BTC

0.7% of real exchange fee
Thank you, you noticed Wink We are working hard to listen to our community.

HOWEVER, if I want to exchange 0.1 BTC to GBP it uses the exchange rate of 953.23 GBP/BTC. If I exchange 0.11 BTC up to 0.5 BTC, the exchange rate is 976.71 GBP/BTC. I didn't put more than 0.5 BTC in my wirex wallet to test when (which BTC amount) the exchange rate actually reaches the 991.01 GBP/BTC.
It's a change in the logic. You can learn more about it here: https://wirexapp.com/blog/wirex-v2-1-released-today"

Right now I tried to do 3 exchanges (1 through the site and 2 through the app), all failed. Furthermore, the 0.508 BTC I used to do the exchange are gone and no GBP appeared. I'm sending a message to support and I hope I don't lose 0.508 BTC. I'll post the results here.

That must be a glitch. However, you have nothing to worry about. Please give me your support ticket number and I will track the issue with the support team



The fees are going down from 9% to 6% as I can see? Are you going to compensate such losses to your clients? Are "Japanese smart money" all about screwing your customers with hidden fees?
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Re: Wirex- Bitcoin Debit Card | Buy Bitcoin | Mobile Banking | Send Money
by
eduBTC
on 26/04/2017, 07:39:28 UTC

Fees as on 2017-04-25

ProviderXapoWirexCryptoPaySpectroCoinUquidAdvCashCoinizy
You get EUR for one BTC1148.20261063.11140.4111149.011154.171142.541103.64
Margin1.84%9.12%2.51%1.77%1.33%2.33%5.65%
Loading fee0%0%1%0%1%10%
Total margin1.84%9.12%3.51%1.77%2.33%2.41%5.65%
Card Price and one year fees2029272128.9914.99No plastic
You get EUR for one BTC final1128.20261034.11102.006891128.011113.63831126.55Not applicable
                           
                           
The Bitstamp price is 1169.76 EUR for 1 BTC   


How that can be right when current price is 1'272USD at https://www.bitstamp.net/ ?
This isn't updated fee table to 2017-04-25


Prices are in EUR
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Re: Wirex- Bitcoin Debit Card | Buy Bitcoin | Mobile Banking | Send Money
by
eduBTC
on 25/04/2017, 20:20:26 UTC
Wirex isn't a scam (well, it wasn't before -> i was all happy before on the e-coin platform), but they have a lot of problems lately..
Exchange rate is really too high, should be less for about 3-4%.
I sent over some BTC last night and it shows the transaction went ok , but the BTC never arrived on my account.

Thanks for the trust. Please, give us your support ticket number so we can track the issue with the support team.

Im sure they will fix this issue of vanishing BTC, because on the block explorer i can see that the amount is there.
But for the exchange rate... I believe nothing will change Sad

As you know, This month We have just launched a new version of the platform: Wirexapp v2.0. And today, we launched the first revisions, Wirexapp v2.1, where most of the general issues have being addressed and corrected (including the heavily mentioned Wirex Bitcoin Rate Undecided ). Please, feel free to make your own review. We are always doing our best to keep up to date, and we are good listeners.

Wow! Now Wirex hidden fee is just 1.5%. Hopefully, my issue of lost $1500 will be resolved soon as well.

Be aware of their SCAM, they change the rate once you start to exchange, the actual fee is 9.1%

Fees as on 2017-04-25

ProviderXapoWirexCryptoPaySpectroCoinUquidAdvCashCoinizy
You get EUR for one BTC1148.20261063.11140.4111149.011154.171142.541103.64
Margin1.84%9.12%2.51%1.77%1.33%2.33%5.65%
Loading fee0%0%1%0%1%10%
Total margin1.84%9.12%3.51%1.77%2.33%2.41%5.65%
Card Price and one year fees2029272128.9914.99No plastic
You get EUR for one BTC final1128.20261034.11102.006891128.011113.63831126.55Not applicable
                           
                           
The Bitstamp price is 1169.76 EUR for 1 BTC   
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Re: Price comparison of Bitcoin Debit Cards
by
eduBTC
on 25/04/2017, 20:18:08 UTC
Thanks op for the extra information on available debit cards ,and looking at the margins...
these service providers offer premium services to justify these high fees charged on us even when the know their is a tough  competition out there. 
Which premium services are you talking about?
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Re: Price comparison of Bitcoin Debit Cards
by
eduBTC
on 25/04/2017, 20:13:57 UTC
Fees as on 2017-04-25

ProviderXapoWirexCryptoPaySpectroCoinUquidAdvCashCoinizy
You get EUR for one BTC1148.20261063.11140.4111149.011154.171142.541103.64
Margin1.84%9.12%2.51%1.77%1.33%2.33%5.65%
Loading fee0%0%1%0%1%10%
Total margin1.84%9.12%3.51%1.77%2.33%2.41%5.65%
Card Price and one year fees2029272128.9914.99No plastic
You get EUR for one BTC final1128.20261034.11102.006891128.011113.63831126.55Not applicable
                           
                           
The Bitstamp price is 1169.76 EUR for 1 BTC