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Re: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service
for the record: i got 2 tracking no's today
Is that zefir's or sebastian's chips?
Re: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service
So my chips from Zefir which have been with you for over a 10 days now have not been even sent to production?
Guess what buddy, it's not only your chips.
There are plenty of people waiting for their remaining boards to be shipped, including me.
You are free to take your business elsewhere if you are not satisfied with the service provided.
Sincerely,
Go cry somewhere else.
Re: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service
Status?
SebastianJu's chips are all through SMD assembly and boards are being completed at the moment.
I have received about 200 of the ~ 500 boards and a lot of packets are about to be send out.
Zefirs chips will enter SMD assembly this week.
My contractor did not work Tursday and Friday due to public holiday in germany "Tag der Deutschen Einheit".
That delayed manufacturing a little.
The Bitfury SMD assembly took place after Sebastians chips were done and the assembly and testing was done by cryptx.
In general i will be more responsive again as i have more time after finishing most of the Bitfury work.
SebastianJu's chips are all through SMD assembly and boards are being completed at the moment.
I have received about 200 of the ~ 500 boards and a lot of packets are about to be send out.
Zefirs chips will enter SMD assembly this week.
My contractor did not work Tursday and Friday due to public holiday in germany "Tag der Deutschen Einheit".
That delayed manufacturing a little.
The Bitfury SMD assembly took place after Sebastians chips were done and the assembly and testing was done by cryptx.
In general i will be more responsive again as i have more time after finishing most of the Bitfury work.
Glad to hear you're still not out of energy, hopefully you got some rest during the holidays as well
When can we expect to receive updates about alternative ways to purchase Bitburner Fury boards?
Next week or is it going to be announced beforehand?
Well considering that burnin has 240 of my chips and has been incredibly lackadaisical in assembling them/contacting me with a solution, could anyone who had the same amount be transferred over to him so I can have mine sent to marto74 to get assembled in a timely fashion? Either way they are sitting in a box while no progress is made and this is months overdue at this point. And I really really dont want to chargeback burnin, but at what point do I just sit here and accept it and move on with no recourse?
Im stuck between a rock and a hard place because my chips are in a box at an assembler with little communication, while you have chips with destinations that no one has called for (mostly burnin I assume). I understand your quandary zefir, but some of us are here waiting and checking every day on progress, while none is done at the assembly part (not your fault obviously). Hence why I tried to have my destination changed but unfortunately you had left for Germany before I could message you in time. And this is why I'm interested in chips that people forgot. Luckily you don't have paypal to screw with you and honestly, with the amount of borderline scamming here, you definitely will not be making the situation much worse. Its the end of the September now, if they haven't claimed the chips by now, they certainly care little about them at this point.
Im stuck between a rock and a hard place because my chips are in a box at an assembler with little communication, while you have chips with destinations that no one has called for (mostly burnin I assume). I understand your quandary zefir, but some of us are here waiting and checking every day on progress, while none is done at the assembly part (not your fault obviously). Hence why I tried to have my destination changed but unfortunately you had left for Germany before I could message you in time. And this is why I'm interested in chips that people forgot. Luckily you don't have paypal to screw with you and honestly, with the amount of borderline scamming here, you definitely will not be making the situation much worse. Its the end of the September now, if they haven't claimed the chips by now, they certainly care little about them at this point.
Funniest comment of the day
Re: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service
1.5V WTF ?!
Its probably only not working with bitburners because the 4 more chips draw power the power supply cant provide. So it begins to start hashing lower. At least i now know that im nearly at the max for my bitburner.
The reason for the "WTF" is the fact that the chips were to be run at 1.2V and are still ok running at 1.5V. I'm just surprised that they're still alive with such excessive overvolting.
Not talking about the capacity of the voltage regulators.
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"Price is what the market will bear" is fine in _normal_ market. This however is far from normal, and there are large risks in investing. See, I used the word invest, since this is very akin to investing, with risks. However currently all indicators point to hashrate rising exponentially for quite some time, so investing in mining hardware is _risky_. Therefore buying mining gear is a risky proposition and the prices should reflect that, and the sellers shouldn't try to offload all the risk on the investors (miners).
price is what people will pay in any market including this..for a live demonstration- look at all who buy AM hardware in the name of 'securing the network' or reselling
If you had tried to buy bitfury chips you will know well about how the price had changed massively simply because the price can be set what they like..no buyers- no problem, mine themselves with these chips and still earn. I don't know why people are more vocal here than in Bitfury thread..is the price not cheaper here?. anyway everyone can vote with their wallet and if they see better option go for that, that's beauty of competition in free market
I have a crazy revelation for you.
Go and do your analysis on the price of the original BitBurner board.
To simplify the task for you I'll give you some specs: it hashes at 8.8Gh/s and it's price was effectively 3.5 BTC shipped with VAT included.
IT WAS AVAILABLE AT THAT PRICE 1 MONTH AGO WHEN THE CLOSEST COMPETITOR PRODUCT WAS AM's BLADE RUNNING @ 12Gh/s OC'ED AND THE PRICE WAS 10 BTC
The difference is that with the previous board the PRICING WAS TRANSPARENT.
Everybody knew what they're paying for.
Avalon fucked everything, but that's not the point.
THE POINT IS THAT THE PREVIOUS BOARD WAS NOT PRICED SO THAT IT'S 10% BELOW THE COMPETITION
AND THAT WAS NOT WAVED AROUND AS IF EVERYBODY SHOULD BE BOWING DOWN IN GRATITUDE FOR THESE 10%.
What makes me most sad in this whole thing is that most probably the reseller's margin is MUCH LARGER than the developer/producer's.
HOW FUKING DISGUSTING IS THAT.
AND IF SO WHY DID BURNIN ALLOW FOR IT.
I really hope there's no exclusivity agreement in place and other distributor(s)/group buyers can step in.
HOW FUKING DISGUSTING IS THAT.
AND IF SO WHY DID BURNIN ALLOW FOR IT.
I really hope there's no exclusivity agreement in place and other distributor(s)/group buyers can step in.
I think the key question in my post is whether or not there is an legally binding agreement about CryptX being the exclusive distributor of Burnin products.
If the answer is no then we can definitely work something out.
If, however, the answer is yes, that only means that I'll never own a BitBurner Fury
If the answer is no then we can definitely work something out.
If, however, the answer is yes, that only means that I'll never own a BitBurner Fury
Re: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service
When I get all this right, Burnin stated his first price before Bitfury raised the price for their chips by 50%
I don't think so.
Do you really believe this?
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We are expecting to start shipping towards the end of September, all orders which were paid for before the November prices were published will ship no later than October 15th.
Burnin, please address the issue.
I and many others have requested a price structure breakdown for the BitBurner Fury boards due to the vast difference (470 to 700) between the projected price and price offered now.
We know that the Bitfury chips that go on the board cost 360 eur (given that you didn't get any additional discount).
That means that your estimation of 110 eur for development & your profit margin is now all the way up to 340 eur.
That is roughly three times the originally anticipated amount.
You stated in another thread that board development/production expenses have increased.
Does that mean trippled?
You said that your margin has remained reasonable.
What about your distributor's margin?
The notion around the forum is that the priced offered for the BitBurner Fury by CryptX is based not on the development/production costs, but rather on the prices of competitors' products.
Do you have anything to say about that. Do you have any say in the price that YOUR product is being offered at (MSRP)?
I am really not in the business of feeding resellers.
Do you have a legally binding agreement with CryptX that his organisation is the exclusive distributor for your boards?
If you were overwhelmed by all the customer care/shipping work you could have just required a minimum size order (e.g. 30k eur worth of equipment or more) and then let group buy organizers do their thing.
That's not anything new.
I feel very frustrated with the way things went and this is not in anyone's interest.
I and many others have requested a price structure breakdown for the BitBurner Fury boards due to the vast difference (470 to 700) between the projected price and price offered now.
We know that the Bitfury chips that go on the board cost 360 eur (given that you didn't get any additional discount).
That means that your estimation of 110 eur for development & your profit margin is now all the way up to 340 eur.
That is roughly three times the originally anticipated amount.
You stated in another thread that board development/production expenses have increased.
Does that mean trippled?
You said that your margin has remained reasonable.
What about your distributor's margin?
The notion around the forum is that the priced offered for the BitBurner Fury by CryptX is based not on the development/production costs, but rather on the prices of competitors' products.
Do you have anything to say about that. Do you have any say in the price that YOUR product is being offered at (MSRP)?
I am really not in the business of feeding resellers.
Do you have a legally binding agreement with CryptX that his organisation is the exclusive distributor for your boards?
If you were overwhelmed by all the customer care/shipping work you could have just required a minimum size order (e.g. 30k eur worth of equipment or more) and then let group buy organizers do their thing.
That's not anything new.
I feel very frustrated with the way things went and this is not in anyone's interest.
Re: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service
No, he isn't going to receive chips on the 20th.
The chips will be SHIPPED by punin on 21st, AND THAT IS IF EVERYTHING GOES FINE.
Then they need to be sent for assembly.
Then the assembled boards need to be sent to CryptX
Then eventually the assembled boards are going to be shipped to customers.
And THEN you will have them in your hands.
And you estimate all this happening in less than 10 days?
Wish you best of luck
But freel free to take the bet if you are confident.
Then, eventually, if ALL OF THE ABOVE PANS OUT and you get your board on 1st of October with the current trend of difficulty rising and KNC miner/Cointerra/Whoever else starting to ship devices your most OPTIMISTIC profit after break even is .5 BTC.
YES.
HALF BTC.
That would equate to less than 10% of your investment with you taking all the risk.
Gamblers be gamblin'
The chips will be SHIPPED by punin on 21st, AND THAT IS IF EVERYTHING GOES FINE.
Then they need to be sent for assembly.
Then the assembled boards need to be sent to CryptX
Then eventually the assembled boards are going to be shipped to customers.
And THEN you will have them in your hands.
And you estimate all this happening in less than 10 days?
Wish you best of luck
But freel free to take the bet if you are confident.
Then, eventually, if ALL OF THE ABOVE PANS OUT and you get your board on 1st of October with the current trend of difficulty rising and KNC miner/Cointerra/Whoever else starting to ship devices your most OPTIMISTIC profit after break even is .5 BTC.
YES.
HALF BTC.
That would equate to less than 10% of your investment with you taking all the risk.
Gamblers be gamblin'
It seems like the bitburners are going to be my first and last ASIC miners the way things are going.
I was really looking forward to getting ~200Ghash for 2k eur.
I guess not.
Good luck with your business burnin, CryptX. (and everyone else)
I was really looking forward to getting ~200Ghash for 2k eur.
I guess not.
Good luck with your business burnin, CryptX. (and everyone else)
Partial Refund Offer
Along with the wasted chips, there are numerous manufacturers around with lots of other waste (PCBs, components), who could utilize unused chips to at least make back what they spent for preparing production. If you plan to dump your chips into the next trashcan, I am offering everyone a limited partial refund for the chips that will be forwarded to those manufacturers.
I am paying 35% of the original Avalon price plus the risk margin I charged in full, totaling to 0.035BTC / chip. This is what most mining calculators spit out as break-even point, and that is sadly all I can offer you at this time. Also note that - independent of their profitability - if I ship your chips out, you have to pay the S&H expenses which for smaller orders already outreach potential mining income
This offer is valid until chips arrive and an all-or-nothing shot: either you refund everything you have left, or you don't (everything else seems irrational).
Sadly it seems that the best return I can hope to get on my chips is to take up your partial refund offer. And includes the fact that I've already paid for construction! I wish I'd gotten my refund request in earlier and caught the full refund, but their "we're shipping this week" promise (two weeks ago now) fooled me.
I believe I already have emailed you a refund request for all my chips, just under a week ago. And I've already paid for shipping.
Please let me know if there is anything else I need to do to get this partial refund and shipping refund happening.
Thanks, I appreciate all the work you've put in, and that you've been screwed harder by Avalon than anyone else in this thread.
Dont get yourself to tears yet, with the pricing of burnin's bitfury boards now announced a lot of people are looking at buying bitburnerXX boards instead, so you might find some buyers for your chips