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Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace
Hi Bitbaydev,
Well at least you respond like you care, but I mostly see hand-waving and explanations. No change in procedure.
Its too bad, this looks really cool and promising, but there are just too many GIANT RED FLAGS.
You just "released" another build as a reaction to one reported issue.
You built and released it in less than 7 hours since I posted, there is no way it was tested thoroughly.
You put it behind bitly, so no one knows where it is coming from, and Bitbay.market is an abandoned blog...
There is no hash or proof it is even bitbay code, and no one is standing by it and saying they built it.
This build is a different size , again. (first 48mb, then 45mb, now 25mb... what was removed?)
Chrome wont download it. Virustotal results have changed, now warnings come from clam-av heuristics.
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/60fcc150cf64ed90660366ff8f5dcf85500d81e19622bb90f6ca859e8896fade/analysis/
The details show it was built on a different system than the last 2, who built this one?
Come on... This is not how you release quality software. Especially software that holds money.
Its releases like this that kill coins. I have seen it happen multiple times here. It ticks me off...
I would like to see this go mainstream, it has a great foundation, but sketchy stuff like this can kill it.
If you guys need help testing and releasing a product professionally, I can be bribed with beer and bitcoins.
Seriously. Fresh install testing, multiple os's, new user experience, beta testing, secure release procedures...
My problem reporting and recommendations are much more pleasant if I am properly beered and bribed.
Either way, I will wait until its available on github and released with someones reputation backing it.
Twitter that when it happens!
Good luck.
Hey gnarl, good to see you are fully paying attention, that is exactly the kind of involvement we are hoping for. As explained in the previous post, getting the good ship Bay sailing again has not been simple and we still have a way to go before we get there. So, a few things need explaining as there is a good measure of assumption in your posts. We did not "release" a new build, we released one. And rest assured, us posting it was not at all a reaction to your post. This is something that has been worked on for weeks, and if you check our twitter you will see a hint at this from well before your post. There is no way in hell we were going to be able to design a new UI, get it loaded up into a QT, compile and test all the way from windows XP to 8.1 (which we have done), as well as set up 3 static vps nodes, get command line clients working on them and have QTs use them, all in 7h.Well at least you respond like you care, but I mostly see hand-waving and explanations. No change in procedure.
Its too bad, this looks really cool and promising, but there are just too many GIANT RED FLAGS.
You just "released" another build as a reaction to one reported issue.
You built and released it in less than 7 hours since I posted, there is no way it was tested thoroughly.
You put it behind bitly, so no one knows where it is coming from, and Bitbay.market is an abandoned blog...
There is no hash or proof it is even bitbay code, and no one is standing by it and saying they built it.
This build is a different size , again. (first 48mb, then 45mb, now 25mb... what was removed?)
Chrome wont download it. Virustotal results have changed, now warnings come from clam-av heuristics.
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/60fcc150cf64ed90660366ff8f5dcf85500d81e19622bb90f6ca859e8896fade/analysis/
The details show it was built on a different system than the last 2, who built this one?
Come on... This is not how you release quality software. Especially software that holds money.
Its releases like this that kill coins. I have seen it happen multiple times here. It ticks me off...
I would like to see this go mainstream, it has a great foundation, but sketchy stuff like this can kill it.
Seriously. Fresh install testing, multiple os's, new user experience, beta testing, secure release procedures...
My problem reporting and recommendations are much more pleasant if I am properly beered and bribed.
Either way, I will wait until its available on github and released with someones reputation backing it.
Twitter that when it happens!
Good luck.
So, your assumption that all of this was caused by your post is we're afraid, incorrect. We have the original dev that worked on the early BitBay wallets doing this, as well as other members of the community. It is all being posted to Github and we'll be linking to that shortly. The newly released wallet is the only one we will support as it is the only one we can say we control fully.
We put the link behind bit.ly for convenience and tracking, mainly as a way to keep on top of how many downloads we have. It simply links to http://bitbay.market/clients/bitbay-qt-win.zip. bitbay.market is not an abandoned blog, it is a website that has not been started yet. We've had our hands full and I myself decided to prioritise QTs as I felt it is important to have stable, working clients for everyone before we do any proper promo.
Now, you seem interested in helping us with release cycles, and to that we can only say, bring it on. I suggest you join us on slack and get to know the new team. You will find it is composed of people who bought into Bay early, and still believe in the concept and want to see it happen, just like you. We also have a bot that gives out unlimited virtual beer. You can PM us on here and we'll get you on.
Timing sure made it look like a rushed build fix to me. If you planned and released it like this on purpose, my bad.
I still stand by what I have tried to politely point out here.
The 2 different sized builds available previously still appear sketchy. Trying to distance yourself from them now (in bold above) appears really sketchy.
Releasing a build through an obfuscated link, to a website that is not even started, without source code or hash, appears really sketchy.
Twittering to the world to get this build, before the website is done or even a tech support faq is available, appears really sketchy.
Secluding any tech support or bug reporting in an invite-only support forum, that is not searchable or usable by normal users, appears really sketchy.
Seeing all your responses actively defending these rushed and unsafe release procedures appears really sketchy.
If you cannot take the time to finish the website, provide a support faq, stand behind each build and release it safely, and work with the users openly, Why should anyone trust the software with their money?
I guess everyone will just have to wait and see if your promises about github are true.
If that occurs, I guarantee more people will support this project. Myself included.
Until then, it just appears too darn sketchy...
Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace
Before you recommend this to anyone...
A fresh install does not sync.
There is no troubleshooting faq.
There are no instructions for adding nodes in main thread, or on the website.
It only attempts to contact 2 hardcoded ip addresses, one is unpingable, and the other times out..
There are 2 different versions of the 'current official release' available for download.
One installs a bitbay.conf with no nodes, and one does not even create it.
The source code linked to is 3 months old, there are no reported issues or community involvement.
https://github.com/bitbayteam/bitbay
The official bitcointalk threads link to this bitbaysetup.exe, and Virustotal says its sketchy...
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/506bc9dee4bac3f78b91e305f8de1789fbe9ead57eb96be6172bdce9f91bb031/analysis/
The official bitbay.org's link to this bitbaysetup.exe, that is a different size, and Virustotal says its sketchy...
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/2aeadbb0d74e80de70b0216ccb6fd65fa4bdf3855b43a64a8e9d5b48bc1256d8/analysis/1423640551/
All the new users are doing this now...
So,
When will the real open source link be available?
Will users be able to report problems and bugs?
Will a hash+pgp signature be posted with the next build to ensure the download is the same release code\build?
When will a real official/professional release that works from a fresh install be available?
Hey gnarl thanks for this, all of your concerns are genuine and it gives us a chance to explain what has been going on with Bay of late.A fresh install does not sync.
There is no troubleshooting faq.
There are no instructions for adding nodes in main thread, or on the website.
It only attempts to contact 2 hardcoded ip addresses, one is unpingable, and the other times out..
There are 2 different versions of the 'current official release' available for download.
One installs a bitbay.conf with no nodes, and one does not even create it.
The source code linked to is 3 months old, there are no reported issues or community involvement.
https://github.com/bitbayteam/bitbay
The official bitcointalk threads link to this bitbaysetup.exe, and Virustotal says its sketchy...
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/506bc9dee4bac3f78b91e305f8de1789fbe9ead57eb96be6172bdce9f91bb031/analysis/
The official bitbay.org's link to this bitbaysetup.exe, that is a different size, and Virustotal says its sketchy...
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/2aeadbb0d74e80de70b0216ccb6fd65fa4bdf3855b43a64a8e9d5b48bc1256d8/analysis/1423640551/
All the new users are doing this now...
So,
When will the real open source link be available?
Will users be able to report problems and bugs?
Will a hash+pgp signature be posted with the next build to ensure the download is the same release code\build?
When will a real official/professional release that works from a fresh install be available?
As you all know this project has not had smoothest of launches, and when the new team got involved the project was quite literally in shambles. There was no control of Bay's own media channels, partial control of some of the sites, a bunch of clients released some of which there was no way of knowing were even trustworthy, and a host of other problems not the least of which is the removal of about 1000btc from the project by it's initial collaborators.
Since then we have set up new official twitter (@bitbaytalk), new facebook page, and have a server ready on bitbay.market which is where the new official site will be hosted.
On the software front David is working on the markets currently, but we felt the need to release new QT wallets while work on the advanced client continues, in beta. This allows people just wanting to stake or send/receive a stable, easy client, right now. And we do literally mean right now. We're leaking today's release here first. It is the new Windows QT BitBay client, which we've tested to work fine all the way from XP to 8.1. You can get it on
http://bit.ly/bitbaywin
This is a short link that points to a file hosted on bitbay.market, which is, until further notice where all our releases will come from. So, Windows users, please DO NOT USE anything that isn't an official release posted by us either on here or through official channels, starting with today's release.
The other piece of news relating to this is that we have setup a base node network of 3 VPS machines, which will be always-on entry points to the network and able to serve the blockchain in a fast and effective fashion to new users even in the early days. They are:
US (New York) Node - 104.236.208.150
Euro (Amsterdam) Node - 188.166.39.223
Asia (Singapore) Node - 128.199.118.67
These nodes are now hardcoded into the new client so connecting should not be a problem. Do let us know if you have any trouble of course!
About GitHub, we'll be putting the whole thing up shortly, users will absolutely be able to report problems and bugs, signatures will be in the releases, and as for your last question, answered above
Next up is Mac and Linux QTs, and after that Android will come as well. Now time to update the OP, soon after that will come the new site on bitbay.market.
A community is coming together on the BitBay Slack, which is really a great tool and we encourage anyone wanting to get involved to join us.
Let us know if you have any questions, we're here!
Well at least you respond like you care, but I mostly see hand-waving and explanations. No change in procedure.
Its too bad, this looks really cool and promising, but there are just too many GIANT RED FLAGS.
You just "released" another build as a reaction to one reported issue.
You built and released it in less than 7 hours since I posted, there is no way it was tested thoroughly.
You put it behind bitly, so no one knows where it is coming from, and Bitbay.market is an abandoned blog...
There is no hash or proof it is even bitbay code, and no one is standing by it and saying they built it.
This build is a different size , again. (first 48mb, then 45mb, now 25mb... what was removed?)
Chrome wont download it. Virustotal results have changed, now warnings come from clam-av heuristics.
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/60fcc150cf64ed90660366ff8f5dcf85500d81e19622bb90f6ca859e8896fade/analysis/
The details show it was built on a different system than the last 2, who built this one?
Come on... This is not how you release quality software. Especially software that holds money.
Its releases like this that kill coins. I have seen it happen multiple times here. It ticks me off...
I would like to see this go mainstream, it has a great foundation, but sketchy stuff like this can kill it.
Seriously. Fresh install testing, multiple os's, new user experience, beta testing, secure release procedures...
My problem reporting and recommendations are much more pleasant if I am properly beered and bribed.
Either way, I will wait until its available on github and released with someones reputation backing it.
Twitter that when it happens!
Good luck.
Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace
Before you recommend this to anyone...
A fresh install does not sync.
There is no troubleshooting faq.
There are no instructions for adding nodes in main thread, or on the website.
It only attempts to contact 2 hardcoded ip addresses, one is unpingable, and the other times out..
There are 2 different versions of the 'current official release' available for download.
One installs a bitbay.conf with no nodes, and one does not even create it.
The source code linked to is 3 months old, there are no reported issues or community involvement.
https://github.com/bitbayteam/bitbay
The official bitcointalk threads link to this bitbaysetup.exe, and Virustotal says its sketchy...
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/506bc9dee4bac3f78b91e305f8de1789fbe9ead57eb96be6172bdce9f91bb031/analysis/
The official bitbay.org's link to this bitbaysetup.exe, that is a different size, and Virustotal says its sketchy...
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/2aeadbb0d74e80de70b0216ccb6fd65fa4bdf3855b43a64a8e9d5b48bc1256d8/analysis/1423640551/
All the new users are doing this now...
So,
When will the real open source link be available?
Will users be able to report problems and bugs?
Will a hash+pgp signature be posted with the next build to ensure the download is the same release code\build?
When will a real official/professional release that works from a fresh install be available?
A fresh install does not sync.
There is no troubleshooting faq.
There are no instructions for adding nodes in main thread, or on the website.
It only attempts to contact 2 hardcoded ip addresses, one is unpingable, and the other times out..
There are 2 different versions of the 'current official release' available for download.
One installs a bitbay.conf with no nodes, and one does not even create it.
The source code linked to is 3 months old, there are no reported issues or community involvement.
https://github.com/bitbayteam/bitbay
The official bitcointalk threads link to this bitbaysetup.exe, and Virustotal says its sketchy...
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/506bc9dee4bac3f78b91e305f8de1789fbe9ead57eb96be6172bdce9f91bb031/analysis/
The official bitbay.org's link to this bitbaysetup.exe, that is a different size, and Virustotal says its sketchy...
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/2aeadbb0d74e80de70b0216ccb6fd65fa4bdf3855b43a64a8e9d5b48bc1256d8/analysis/1423640551/
All the new users are doing this now...
So,
When will the real open source link be available?
Will users be able to report problems and bugs?
Will a hash+pgp signature be posted with the next build to ensure the download is the same release code\build?
When will a real official/professional release that works from a fresh install be available?
Re: [ANN][SUPERCOIN] Unique Most Advanced Anonymous Trustless Multisig Technology
We code and compile ALL our wallets ourselves, Windows, Linux, Mac and even coind wallets are done before, no need for help from strange sources that can touch the code.
I don't understand where the fear of untested code comes from. We are not working on the blockchain, we just make some minor changes, like there will be more, if superdev agrees for us to take over. If he agrees we will need to set up our own nodes, also a minor change in the net.cpp
Its good to hear you take full responsibility, that inspires confidence. I don't understand where the fear of untested code comes from. We are not working on the blockchain, we just make some minor changes, like there will be more, if superdev agrees for us to take over. If he agrees we will need to set up our own nodes, also a minor change in the net.cpp
My questions are based on these ideas
The only code you can trust, is code you can read/write/understand and compile yourself.
Any code that handles money, compiled by unknown sources, should be feared.
Open source code compiled by unknowns and delivered without a hash, should be feared. (unless you can compile it yourself, and check the hash, which makes the download pointless)
The future roadmap definitely includes changes to major code, so seeing how you respond to security procedures is important.
* Conserning the fear for a compromised download... We can upload the wallets to the Github. I even have my foto and home address there.
Awesome! that is exactly what I wanted to hear.
Thanks for both your responses, the idea is sounding better and better.
Re: [ANN][SUPERCOIN] Unique Most Advanced Anonymous Trustless Multisig Technology
i didnt say why to test my dev skills. i said why to an installer. the QT is 1 file and creates / reads from the directories that is needs already built in. which is normally the point of an installer. let me tell you what can be done almost immidiately (besides the changes i said i already made). all OS will be supported. (really simple and pretty much done). of course i can update the version 1 level. that will take maybe 30 seconds. as far as logo change goes. if someone can make a logo that the community like then it can be added immediately. im not good with Photoshop / graphics. sorry. there is usually whole separate divisions for that in a company from the other coders. how to beta test? umm... just run it? there isnt really any significant changes to be made to the actual networking portion of the code, so theres no real reason to test those immediate upgrades.
Yes, they are easy and basic steps. That is why I proposed it, nice and simple with a small scope of work to start things off. Sounds like you have it covered.
The logo can be provided or recreated, in whatever format/size you need. That's not a problem.
I see you don't have an installer on the MWC project either, let me explain my request.
The current 'released' wallet build does not include a working supercoin.conf file, and does not do jack-shit without it. This has completely stopped adoption by anyone that is not hanging out here, or enjoys screwing around with projects-in-development.
Installers are important for regular people... Regular people install something, and expect it to work with no manual steps, if it does not work they delete it, and then tell everyone it is a piece of shit. Right?
Regular people are the customer base any project needs to succeed in the real world. You want doctors, lawyers, investors, school teachers, farmers, your relatives, to use the product right? You know, regular people with more money than computer skills? That is the target market. It needs to be fast and simple for them to install and use.
The answers in bold are exactly why I asked that question.
3 wallet builds, 3 os's, installed in at least 2 os versions each, with no testing, just release it after making changes. [facepalm]
There are multiple people here that would be happy to test it in many operating systems\versions, if you choose to work with them.
Will you allow input before changes and feedback before releasing builds?
I am also worried about securely releasing a software product that handles money. That is why I asked if release builds will be built by you and include a hash of the build to ensure the download isn't compromised. It is simply a trust issue, if you put your name on it and provide a hash, it provides some basic accountability, which would be appreciated.
Will you release it securely?
Besides the last 2 important questions above, your experience and current wallet project looks really awesome, and I am looking forward to seeing your work.
Re: [ANN][SUPERCOIN] Unique Most Advanced Anonymous Trustless Multisig Technology
We can update all these minor things in 1 day. As I see it by now, there has never been a Mac wallet, nor a linux wallet from the SuperDev....
But we have it ready ( I am using the mac wallet ).
For updating the logo...where is the Logo, who has the original files?...All the changes you propose and the steps to go can be done in 1 day.
Now...we will keep the source from Supercoin open source, however if we are going to add in wallet trading, multiple coin support and other exclusive developments to Supercoin, then those developments WILL stay closed source.
No coin has benefits if ALL the source code is open source. Closed source will give value to a coin as it will be unique. So I think we will do the following, we will make 2 wallets for every operating system. 1 with special futures and 1 without them.
The open source wallets (without special futures) will be for the persons that have doubts in us (Griffith and Me), the source code from these wallets will be available on the Github for copy cats and scam developers, because a normal user (that needs an installer) can not read that code AND is not interested in that code.
The Supercoin wallets with exclusive developments (in wallet trading, multi-coin support, etc...) will only be available pre-compiled. The Source code from these wallets will be on a closed section from the Github.
If you want to know how the development of in wallet trading is going then you should have a look on the MWC forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=752808.msg9544646#msg9544646 there you can see that the development is in the final stages and that the forum members are given the opertunity to choose which exchanges they want to be added.
But we have it ready ( I am using the mac wallet ).
For updating the logo...where is the Logo, who has the original files?...All the changes you propose and the steps to go can be done in 1 day.
Now...we will keep the source from Supercoin open source, however if we are going to add in wallet trading, multiple coin support and other exclusive developments to Supercoin, then those developments WILL stay closed source.
No coin has benefits if ALL the source code is open source. Closed source will give value to a coin as it will be unique. So I think we will do the following, we will make 2 wallets for every operating system. 1 with special futures and 1 without them.
The open source wallets (without special futures) will be for the persons that have doubts in us (Griffith and Me), the source code from these wallets will be available on the Github for copy cats and scam developers, because a normal user (that needs an installer) can not read that code AND is not interested in that code.
The Supercoin wallets with exclusive developments (in wallet trading, multi-coin support, etc...) will only be available pre-compiled. The Source code from these wallets will be on a closed section from the Github.
If you want to know how the development of in wallet trading is going then you should have a look on the MWC forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=752808.msg9544646#msg9544646 there you can see that the development is in the final stages and that the forum members are given the opertunity to choose which exchanges they want to be added.
Hello mtdspain,
Thank you for your response. Your answers inspire a little more confidence.
I understand your main focus is on your in-wallet exchange project, it does sound cool. This project is in need of normal users first though, and an easily-installed opensource wallet is the first step. It is great to hear you can create the win\linux\mac wallets, (and that you have a mac one working). That experience is exactly what is needed. A day to fix anything in 3 different operating systems it is something I have heard a few too many times though...
I like your idea to have 1 open source and 1 closed source wallet. That reduces the confusion and security risk, and allows some progress to be made. Lets focus on the open source wallets first.
This leaves the questions about beta testing and secure release process that I asked before:
Will you answer the beta test question? How long would you test? Will you include the community and wait for responses before releasing?
(One bad release build can end this project. I just want to make sure untested code doesn't get dumped on users without testing...)
Will you put your name on any pre-compiled builds, and provide a hash, so we can assure users/customers/friends the download is not compromised?
This seems like a promising arrangement, thanks again for your answers.
Re: [ANN][SUPERCOIN] Unique Most Advanced Anonymous Trustless Multisig Technology
still here. didnt really read the last ~10 posts. more skimmed them due to lack of time.
2 things that immediately came to mind.
why do you need an installer? the qt is a 1 click app. no need for an installation process imo. most coins dont have an installer. but if its reallyyyyy wanted i guess i could make one...
other thing was...
it is actually needed for the old dev to state he is leaving and name a successor, otherwise exchanges wont follow new code/github repos and wont update the wallets they run. in which case no matter what i edit the code to do that wont run it. so it would be useless. ive had this problem temporarily in the past (when mintpal was still a thing) and they told me they needed the old devs approval to change the repo they were following.
EDIT: btw, the reason the coin wont connect to the network if you havent run the wallet before is due to lack of coin conf file. and you need to create one manually. no need to do that anymore. i edited the code so that it automatically creates one in the right directory now for you. so that bug is eliminated.
dont know where to upload it as of right now though. i can create my own repo on my git. but before i do that i want to see if the dev is willing to hand off the coin to pass succession to my git. otherwise further developement is pointless if the exchanges wont follow me (described why earlier in the post)
but besides that, yeah we can take over for devving, if there is anything else that i need(that i can get), if someone could PM me or send me that would be great
2 things that immediately came to mind.
why do you need an installer? the qt is a 1 click app. no need for an installation process imo. most coins dont have an installer. but if its reallyyyyy wanted i guess i could make one...
other thing was...
it is actually needed for the old dev to state he is leaving and name a successor, otherwise exchanges wont follow new code/github repos and wont update the wallets they run. in which case no matter what i edit the code to do that wont run it. so it would be useless. ive had this problem temporarily in the past (when mintpal was still a thing) and they told me they needed the old devs approval to change the repo they were following.
EDIT: btw, the reason the coin wont connect to the network if you havent run the wallet before is due to lack of coin conf file. and you need to create one manually. no need to do that anymore. i edited the code so that it automatically creates one in the right directory now for you. so that bug is eliminated.
dont know where to upload it as of right now though. i can create my own repo on my git. but before i do that i want to see if the dev is willing to hand off the coin to pass succession to my git. otherwise further developement is pointless if the exchanges wont follow me (described why earlier in the post)
but besides that, yeah we can take over for devving, if there is anything else that i need(that i can get), if someone could PM me or send me that would be great
So the answer to a Test Run of your development skills, is: Why?
"Why does it need an installer" is not really what I would expect from someone that is serious about delivering a marketable product.
We are all trying to determine if giving you control of the code is a good idea, this test build seems like a pretty simple way to do that.
I proposed the Fix the Wallet test run to determine:
If you can.
If you can support all the OS's required.
If you can resist 'on the fly' or unannounced changes.
If you will beta test thoroughly.
If you will release it securely.
How you work with the community and/or people involved.
This would also finally produce something that regular people can install, making it worth recommending and advertising...
You mentioned that you "already fixed it". Ok great, then the hard part is done!
Open source - Stated it would be posted in github.
Installs without manual user steps. - Fix ready
Includes updated supercoin.conf. - Fix ready
Steps To go:
Update logo (Red one, to match what websites were told to use)
Update version and changelog.
Nothing fancy, and no other changes to code.
Tested and reviewed before full release. (allows for community beta test and marketing prep)
Compiled builds released by you with sha256 hash.
What do you think of the steps listed? Are they all necessary? Are any missing?
How long do you think it would take to complete this test build for win\linux\mac?
How would you beta test this build? and for how long?
(Knowing these answers would allow the community to schedule marketing and media stuff.)
These would all be great things to know before the keys to everything get handed over. Thanks for any clarification you can provide.
Hope we can give you some super for your time and effort.
Re: [ANN][SUPERCOIN] Unique Most Advanced Anonymous Trustless Multisig Technology
Great news, we have a developer with experience that is interested!
Hello Griffith, nice to see you are interested enough to dive into this mosh pit.
The project does have promising features, but needs to be polished and released.
Oh and beware the trolls, they travel in herds around here...
I have a proposal, How does a test run sound?
Supercoin needs a completed wallet installer for win/linux/mac, can you create them?
Requirements would be:
Open source.
Installs without manual user steps.
Includes updated supercoin.conf.
Update logo (Red one, to match what websites were told to use)
Update version and changelog.
Nothing fancy, and no other changes to code.
Tested and reviewed before full release. (allows for community beta test and marketing prep)
Compiled builds released by you with sha256 hash.
This would be a good start at reviving the project, and once complete and tested, can finally be advertised. This will hopefully put the anon\mixing arguments on hold while something constructive is discussed.. Plus everyone would be able to see your methods and skills.
I have posted previously mentioning I will donate to this cause.
If any others want to pitch, now would be a great time to post.
Hello Griffith, nice to see you are interested enough to dive into this mosh pit.
The project does have promising features, but needs to be polished and released.
Oh and beware the trolls, they travel in herds around here...
I have a proposal, How does a test run sound?
Supercoin needs a completed wallet installer for win/linux/mac, can you create them?
Requirements would be:
Open source.
Installs without manual user steps.
Includes updated supercoin.conf.
Update logo (Red one, to match what websites were told to use)
Update version and changelog.
Nothing fancy, and no other changes to code.
Tested and reviewed before full release. (allows for community beta test and marketing prep)
Compiled builds released by you with sha256 hash.
This would be a good start at reviving the project, and once complete and tested, can finally be advertised. This will hopefully put the anon\mixing arguments on hold while something constructive is discussed.. Plus everyone would be able to see your methods and skills.
I have posted previously mentioning I will donate to this cause.
If any others want to pitch, now would be a great time to post.
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I have stated this before and I will say it again. I will donate super to qualified persons to review and verify the code if we can get a new dev team established and I know others were willing to do the same. I have no problem shelling out 20k super to support the cause. We need to act fast. We need buy support, we need an active dev team, we need marketing, and we need to come together as a community to support this coin, for better or worse...
I will donate 20k super too!!
I will donate 20k as well.
I would also donate toward hiring someone to create a complete installer for the wallet.
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I know many of you are holding big bags and the fact that the Super & Mamm devs have simply disappeared is unacceptable. From the thread history it seems this coin was poised to moon, the community was very supportive and excited requested action to improve value and then silence....
PM me whatever contact/social/personal info you have on anyone involved in Super & Mammoth projects.
A massive dose of DOXing is in order, Take a Stand!
PM me whatever contact/social/personal info you have on anyone involved in Super & Mammoth projects.
A massive dose of DOXing is in order, Take a Stand!
I find this post rather troubling.
To begin with the dev(s) scammed no one - this was a very active and well-supported coin for quite some time. It is not as though there was an ICO and the dev absconded with the up-front cash.
Additionally, most everyone posts on here under pseudonyms for whatever personal reasons. I don't think much of the idea of outing anyone for any reason short of rank illegal activity and there is no evidence of any such here.
Basically the situation is that coin holders are very annoyed the dev(s) are not working 24/7 to make said holders rich. We have had some setbacks and tantrums, following which the devs appear to have decided it is not worth the effort and abuse. Can't really say I blame them.
A significant element of this "community" are self-entitled, self-indulgent brats who deserve the life lesson of losing their pocket money. Get over it and yourselves.
My 2¢.
Have a nice day.
I am surprised that is the first pitchfork post so far...
Your post is troubling too.
Because of some trolls you advocate screwing over supporters and investors?
The situation is, the developer stopped communicating a month ago, he has logged in but ignored all questions. Meanwhile, the project is not finished.
A single update or post saying 'I am on vacation' would have saved the price and project. No one is asking 24/7 anything...
By abandoning the project, he is not just screwing the "self-entitled, self-indulgent brats who deserve the life lesson" as you spouted. (did you shake your fist when you said that?)
He is also screwing the cool people that helped and supported the project, the people that advertised and tweeted, and the people that invested time and money for the last few months.
But, you are correct they are technically not "scamming" anyone, they are just actively SCREWING everyone by abandoning the project.
You can have 1¢ back.
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To anyone who wants to see this project continue, a few of us are gauging interest in starting an Open Source Supercoin fund.
Since the developer has abandoned the project and appears to be ignoring questoins, maybe an offer of BTC would encourage them to not screw over their supporters\investors and open source the code.
The offer will be made to super and mammothcoin developers.
I have received a few pm's, people are interested in donating Super, Mamm, and some btc.
Here is a off-forum poll to gauge interest -> http://www.poll-maker.com/poll148175x4e9448E8-6
An escrow account will be setup if there is enough interest in saving the project.
Post or PM if you would donate to Open Source Supercoin fund.
Since the developer has abandoned the project and appears to be ignoring questoins, maybe an offer of BTC would encourage them to not screw over their supporters\investors and open source the code.
The offer will be made to super and mammothcoin developers.
I have received a few pm's, people are interested in donating Super, Mamm, and some btc.
Here is a off-forum poll to gauge interest -> http://www.poll-maker.com/poll148175x4e9448E8-6
An escrow account will be setup if there is enough interest in saving the project.
Post or PM if you would donate to Open Source Supercoin fund.
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I still say lets bribe them to open-source the code before its totally worthless.
The coin could live, code would be reviewed, software development could continue with more than 1 person (or 1 point of failure).
Getting bribed seems like a better way out than to ignore it and run it into the ground and get nothing!
Somebody make a poll.
This is it right here. I think its also the reason the coin has gone nowhere. A coin with a hidden code is centralized around the dev, it defeats the whole purpose of what they were trying to create. Please message me if you have any luck reaching them about this bride. I would definitely donate to this. Why not? With hidden code and devs, all the Super and Mammoth I have will inevitably be worthless anyways.
I also do marketing, videos and promos. I can have websites, SEO and such done as well. But without the code, nobody with any skills wants to put much time into this because there is no reasonable expectation that a profit would be made. No code, no future as a decentralized currency.
Exactly.
I have been waiting for the same reasons.
I will add you to the list.
I second this. I will also donate once the price tag is defined.
Awesome.
I'll add you to the list.
I think the amount to be offered needs to be determined before trying to contact them.
How about this.
Here is a poll to gauge interest -> http://www.poll-maker.com/poll148175x4e9448E8-6
Interested people can also pm me their donation amount, and I will tally up what we can offer them.
If there is enough interest over the next week or so I will look for a reliable fundraiser\escrow person.
tldr If anyone else wants to bribe the developer to Open Source the Supercoin secret sauce, send me a pm with the amount.
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I still say lets bribe them to open-source the code before its totally worthless.
The coin could live, code would be reviewed, software development could continue with more than 1 person (or 1 point of failure).
Getting bribed seems like a better way out than to ignore it and run it into the ground and get nothing!
Somebody make a poll.
It is interesting, at least to me.
Last time I asked the dev whether they had any plan to open source the latest wallet. The dev said no, and people agreed with the dev to keep the source closed. Everyone seemed perfectly fine with the source being closed.
Now, the wind seems changed, though I doubt the dev will ever open the source.
That was before they abandoned the project for a month and killed the price.
If the coin is to survive the next bug\fork\security update, the code needs to be accessible.
I'm just suggesting giving the guy a few bitcoins for it.
Before he wanders off.
and it dies...
ffs
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I still say lets bribe them to open-source the code before its totally worthless.
The coin could live, code would be reviewed, software development could continue with more than 1 person (or 1 point of failure).
Getting bribed seems like a better way out than to ignore it and run it into the ground and get nothing!
Somebody make a poll.
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How about a Community Buyout?
The developer obviously has no interest in supercoin anymore, he has been around...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=341100
Remember, supercoindev is actually good at communications, that is not the problem.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=341100;sa=showPosts
By ignoring the project updates, roadmap, and forum questions, the market cap has been driven from $250,000 to $34,000 this month. a 7x loss...
There was even a request for help with a donation transaction that got ignored... It is obvious supercoindev has no supercoin holdings and has quit.
Since the project is still not really complete, and the anon transaction part is not making anyone famous,
Lets just offer the developer some bitcoin to open source it before leaving.
The price is sinking fast, this could be the last chance to do something before it becomes completely worthless.
Then supercoindev can remain anonymous, leave the project that has become boring, and make some coin out of the deal.
This community would have no problems finding and crowdfunding a dev with QT experience to finish up the software and release it.
TLDR; Bribe developer to Open-Source the Super-Sauce!
What about contacting a RC suplier?
They would apreciate anon send for sure!
Let us know how merchants can acept super as payment, so we can contact them to make some action!
Happy staking
They would apreciate anon send for sure!
Let us know how merchants can acept super as payment, so we can contact them to make some action!
Happy staking
+1
Sites like coinpayments.net are a good way to make a coin actually useful in the real world.
If supercoin was a payment option there, anyone with a website could use supercoin buy and sell.
Public voting ends today to request Super be included in Coinpayments.net payment options.
https://www.coinpayments.net/vote
There is an application page, and it asks for developer contact.
https://www.coinpayments.net/coinreq
Paying to get included would be a better use of donated funds than advertising at this point.
Success
Thank you for your coin request, it will be added to the list for the next public vote.
That would be great.
You might want to do that poll quick, the lack of updates is killing this coin.
What about contacting a RC suplier?
They would apreciate anon send for sure!
Let us know how merchants can acept super as payment, so we can contact them to make some action!
Happy staking
They would apreciate anon send for sure!
Let us know how merchants can acept super as payment, so we can contact them to make some action!
Happy staking
+1
Sites like coinpayments.net are a good way to make a coin actually useful in the real world.
If supercoin was a payment option there, anyone with a website could use supercoin buy and sell.
Public voting ends today to request Super be included in Coinpayments.net payment options.
https://www.coinpayments.net/vote
There is an application page, and it asks for developer contact.
https://www.coinpayments.net/coinreq
Paying to get included would be a better use of donated funds than advertising at this point.
Using supercoin in the real world is fundamental to its existence.
Can someone please explain to me -
If someone had a business and wanted to implement accepting supercoin as a payment method, how would it be done?
Or if it can't be done yet - What plans are there for this to be done?
Thank you.
Looking forward to a reply.
Great question!
Looking forward to a reply.
I kindly suggest collection some cryptos for the Donation wallets so we can have some more promo activities. we collected successfully 0.7 BTC and spend already for marketing. We can repeat this.
SUPER: SRevokU8RLGFN5xx9QuLKXyuDYuF5xLwGW
http://chainz.cryptoid.info/super/search.dws?q=SRevokU8RLGFN5xx9QuLKXyuDYuF5xLwGW
BTC: 19iA3xnpShggt2BdZV8nYPvogTuF9BSQBG
https://blockchain.info/address/19iA3xnpShggt2BdZV8nYPvogTuF9BSQBG
SUPER: SRevokU8RLGFN5xx9QuLKXyuDYuF5xLwGW
http://chainz.cryptoid.info/super/search.dws?q=SRevokU8RLGFN5xx9QuLKXyuDYuF5xLwGW
BTC: 19iA3xnpShggt2BdZV8nYPvogTuF9BSQBG
https://blockchain.info/address/19iA3xnpShggt2BdZV8nYPvogTuF9BSQBG
Supercointeam
I think you should stop advertising until you have a finished product that installs easily to release.
Advertising something that does not install easily just chases away half the new users.
I will post this question again, because a working installer is a standard feature of professional software release.
The current windows build does not have an installer, and does not work as downloaded.
When are you going to fix this?
What is the schedule for creating a working installer for all platforms?