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Re: Seuntjies DiceBot -Multi-Site, multi-strategy betting bot for dice. With Charts!
here uploaded db file its ~280mb, but its only 800k hands, its something like last 40hours
https://easyupload.io/2ccf3i
on this period watch last ~50-100k bets there was "that kind of thing" what im talking. (if im remember right)
btw, if you need I can help you track that, I can "hunt" another times it, if there is need in that, and you can't see nothing in this period.
Waiting for your answer, Seuntjie!
Seuntjie, you still dont anwered me, and forget maybe?!
Seuntjie, you still forget to answer and check something?!https://easyupload.io/2ccf3i
on this period watch last ~50-100k bets there was "that kind of thing" what im talking. (if im remember right)
btw, if you need I can help you track that, I can "hunt" another times it, if there is need in that, and you can't see nothing in this period.
Waiting for your answer, Seuntjie!
Seuntjie, you still dont anwered me, and forget maybe?!
I haven't forgotten, I've just been busy.
I did do some tests on the site though. I left 2 accounts betting at the site, one using a fixed RNG for seed and one not for 24 hours. One account did around 900k bets and the other around 700k. During that time I got a max losing streak of 19 losses at 49.5% and a max winning streak of 20 at 49.5% one the 900k account and max losing streak of 19 (twice) and a max winning streak of 17 or the 700k account. I had no skipped or repeated nonces on either account. I used a fixed verifier for the site to check thousands of bets, especially the bets where I had a losing streak and all of the bets verified correctly.
If there are skipped nonces in the bet history database for DiceBot, it's probably because the SQLite interface can't keep up with the speed of the bets when you're close to their server. Since the all time graphs draw from the database, that explains why the graph might not show the same number of bets as your nonce. I haven't had time to verify this using either your or one of my own DBs. It's also very possible that with the time it takes to draw charts with hundreds of thousands points and because it's multi threaded, the bot is suppressing errors that arises when trying to add points to the charts.
why you still can't give a sh*t? you are asked for evidences, im given you a database where you can see patterns and figure out something, but you are doing nothing?!
Re: Seuntjies DiceBot -Multi-Site, multi-strategy betting bot for dice. With Charts!
need to refresh topic!
Im made little bit alarm with my posts, and now people know about it, and im not only one who was not satisfied with this site.
you can join they telegram channel and read, they are not paying withdraws within days, they are locking accounts etc. https://t.me/nitrodiceofficial
https://imgur.com/pZj9JoA
if you start talk something about rigged and cheating, verified bets etc, he are saying that all was Seuntjie and hes bot fault, that site is fair bla bla bla.
Im made little bit alarm with my posts, and now people know about it, and im not only one who was not satisfied with this site.
you can join they telegram channel and read, they are not paying withdraws within days, they are locking accounts etc. https://t.me/nitrodiceofficial
https://imgur.com/pZj9JoA
if you start talk something about rigged and cheating, verified bets etc, he are saying that all was Seuntjie and hes bot fault, that site is fair bla bla bla.
Seuntjie, why you dont involve in conversation with me? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5212443.msg53648168#msg53648168
Re: Seuntjies DiceBot -Multi-Site, multi-strategy betting bot for dice. With Charts!
here uploaded db file its ~280mb, but its only 800k hands, its something like last 40hours
https://easyupload.io/2ccf3i
on this period watch last ~50-100k bets there was "that kind of thing" what im talking. (if im remember right)
btw, if you need I can help you track that, I can "hunt" another times it, if there is need in that, and you can't see nothing in this period.
Waiting for your answer, Seuntjie!
Seuntjie, you still dont anwered me, and forget maybe?!
Seuntjie, you still forget to answer and check something?!https://easyupload.io/2ccf3i
on this period watch last ~50-100k bets there was "that kind of thing" what im talking. (if im remember right)
btw, if you need I can help you track that, I can "hunt" another times it, if there is need in that, and you can't see nothing in this period.
Waiting for your answer, Seuntjie!
Seuntjie, you still dont anwered me, and forget maybe?!
I haven't forgotten, I've just been busy.
I did do some tests on the site though. I left 2 accounts betting at the site, one using a fixed RNG for seed and one not for 24 hours. One account did around 900k bets and the other around 700k. During that time I got a max losing streak of 19 losses at 49.5% and a max winning streak of 20 at 49.5% one the 900k account and max losing streak of 19 (twice) and a max winning streak of 17 or the 700k account. I had no skipped or repeated nonces on either account. I used a fixed verifier for the site to check thousands of bets, especially the bets where I had a losing streak and all of the bets verified correctly.
If there are skipped nonces in the bet history database for DiceBot, it's probably because the SQLite interface can't keep up with the speed of the bets when you're close to their server. Since the all time graphs draw from the database, that explains why the graph might not show the same number of bets as your nonce. I haven't had time to verify this using either your or one of my own DBs. It's also very possible that with the time it takes to draw charts with hundreds of thousands points and because it's multi threaded, the bot is suppressing errors that arises when trying to add points to the charts.
and yes, in my last uploaded database last 450bets was losing on 5% i simple pressed stop, that was enough ridiculus
but maybe simple they technical team turned it off for some time until this all stuff quites down, because its strange long period without rng streaks
btw, even owner contacted me about thats stuff he dont like this kind of posts in internet, so maybe while i pushing up this talks streaks will not gonna occurs 😁
Re: Seuntjies DiceBot -Multi-Site, multi-strategy betting bot for dice. With Charts!
here uploaded db file its ~280mb, but its only 800k hands, its something like last 40hours
https://easyupload.io/2ccf3i
on this period watch last ~50-100k bets there was "that kind of thing" what im talking. (if im remember right)
btw, if you need I can help you track that, I can "hunt" another times it, if there is need in that, and you can't see nothing in this period.
Waiting for your answer, Seuntjie!
Seuntjie, you still dont anwered me, and forget maybe?!
Seuntjie, you still forget to answer and check something?!https://easyupload.io/2ccf3i
on this period watch last ~50-100k bets there was "that kind of thing" what im talking. (if im remember right)
btw, if you need I can help you track that, I can "hunt" another times it, if there is need in that, and you can't see nothing in this period.
Waiting for your answer, Seuntjie!
Seuntjie, you still dont anwered me, and forget maybe?!
Re: Seuntjies DiceBot -Multi-Site, multi-strategy betting bot for dice. With Charts!
Houseworks - sorry, I still haven't had a chance to look into your posts yet, but I did find something that might have been exploited.
1st - I accidentally used the wrong field for the betid, meaning your roll*10000 is yoru betid, not your actual betid. While not
2nd - my roll verifier has a bug in which will result in about 30% of rolls will not verify correctly.
3rd - This is the important one. I didn't do proper research about how .nets Random class works, and I've been using Random directly to generate client seeds. I've since found out that after x numbers, Random can be predicted. This means it's possible that they(and a lot of other sites) could predict the client seed before it was sent to them and could thus choose server seeds that would lose.
My next update will address all 3 of these issues. If suddenly, after the update, people get fewer losing streaks, we can be somewhat certain that they exploited the client seed, although it's not really provable.
I cannot guarantee that this update will make it to their hosted dicebot though, so it's possible that that will never be fixed. If they are actually cheating, that bot will never get this update.
1st - I accidentally used the wrong field for the betid, meaning your roll*10000 is yoru betid, not your actual betid. While not
2nd - my roll verifier has a bug in which will result in about 30% of rolls will not verify correctly.
3rd - This is the important one. I didn't do proper research about how .nets Random class works, and I've been using Random directly to generate client seeds. I've since found out that after x numbers, Random can be predicted. This means it's possible that they(and a lot of other sites) could predict the client seed before it was sent to them and could thus choose server seeds that would lose.
My next update will address all 3 of these issues. If suddenly, after the update, people get fewer losing streaks, we can be somewhat certain that they exploited the client seed, although it's not really provable.
I cannot guarantee that this update will make it to their hosted dicebot though, so it's possible that that will never be fixed. If they are actually cheating, that bot will never get this update.
thanks for replied, waiting for update, and will test and inform you about this all stuff, if you are interested in that...
but btw, you read topic what I made? you heard that if im will have runned more accounts at same time(with dicebot), in all accounts in exactly same time you will get unreal losing streaks?! (in screenshot you can see i catched it with 5 different accounts in same time more than one time)
so its ridiculus insane! they RNG are not random, but somehow fixed and they are smashing every propability deviaton on certain playing percentage! (but its happens not all the time, but few times in week, i dont get if its random or some kind of criterias like connected time, runned bot time, last nonstop bets made or something, but still far i get that it simple for every user online who was betting in that time for few minutes - will have happens unreal deviations.)
okey with verified bets whatever, but what about missed nonces?!
Re: Seuntjies DiceBot -Multi-Site, multi-strategy betting bot for dice. With Charts!
https://imgur.com/6x4mmXB
20% of bets are missing in Nitrodice.
graph shows ~400k, real bets with that new fresh bot&acc are ~500k
graph shows profit ~ -27, but in reality is ~ -53.
btw, I catched another RNG streak, here will be dicebot database file - https://easyupload.io/08qbyx need to watch last 450bets
20% of bets are missing in Nitrodice.
graph shows ~400k, real bets with that new fresh bot&acc are ~500k
graph shows profit ~ -27, but in reality is ~ -53.
btw, I catched another RNG streak, here will be dicebot database file - https://easyupload.io/08qbyx need to watch last 450bets
Re: Seuntjies DiceBot -Multi-Site, multi-strategy betting bot for dice. With Charts!
Seuntjie, you hadn't time to check file? 
btw, again about missing bets, maybe all missed bets in dicebot are connected with not verified bets?!
https://imgur.com/oVmukjP (p.s in screenshot i put black squares to cover desktop image
)
in the screen you can see - in reality I was made 62385 bets, but graph shows less (something like ~60300) 5% of bets are missing(red squares), and you can see that missing are losing bets, because in dicebot you can see overall profit is ~23.36..... but in graph is something like ~27.5..... (red lines) it means graph shows more profit, then you have in reality.
It's all about Nitrodice thing.
edited:
https://imgur.com/CYFTtUT the larger sample, the more bets are missing. ofc missing losing bets.
btw, again about missing bets, maybe all missed bets in dicebot are connected with not verified bets?!
https://imgur.com/oVmukjP (p.s in screenshot i put black squares to cover desktop image
)in the screen you can see - in reality I was made 62385 bets, but graph shows less (something like ~60300) 5% of bets are missing(red squares), and you can see that missing are losing bets, because in dicebot you can see overall profit is ~23.36..... but in graph is something like ~27.5..... (red lines) it means graph shows more profit, then you have in reality.
It's all about Nitrodice thing.
edited:
https://imgur.com/CYFTtUT the larger sample, the more bets are missing. ofc missing losing bets.
Re: Seuntjies DiceBot -Multi-Site, multi-strategy betting bot for dice. With Charts!
here uploaded db file its ~280mb, but its only 800k hands, its something like last 40hours
https://easyupload.io/2ccf3i
on this period watch last ~50-100k bets there was "that kind of thing" what im talking. (if im remember right)
btw, if you need I can help you track that, I can "hunt" another times it, if there is need in that, and you can't see nothing in this period.
Waiting for your answer, Seuntjie!
Seuntjie, you still dont anwered me, and forget maybe?!
https://easyupload.io/2ccf3i
on this period watch last ~50-100k bets there was "that kind of thing" what im talking. (if im remember right)
btw, if you need I can help you track that, I can "hunt" another times it, if there is need in that, and you can't see nothing in this period.
Waiting for your answer, Seuntjie!
Seuntjie, you still dont anwered me, and forget maybe?!
Re: Seuntjies DiceBot -Multi-Site, multi-strategy betting bot for dice. With Charts!
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Since you are playing form windows, can you send me the dicebot.db file from an instance of the bot where you found unusual behaviour?
ofc I can send, say where to upload or where to send, and what you needed, but I havent big sample, in every few days im making fresh dicebot, but something i had.
but what is that? verified some bets are not "ticked" what does that means?!??
https://imgur.com/ghIUf1Z
and why there are missed nonce numbers to be sequence?!
Re: Seuntjies DiceBot -Multi-Site, multi-strategy betting bot for dice. With Charts!
Seuntjie, why you not commented anything about my Nitrodice cheating proofs?!
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Unless you provide PROOF of their cheating, you just sound like a sore loser. You claim to have proof, and I don't want to support a site that's cheating. So if you send me the proof and it's valid, I WILL remove the site from DiceBot. I will remove any site that is proven to cheat.
I haven't had time to go through your thread yet, but from what I can see, their hosted DiceBot thing seems to be cheating and I would not use it. Their bet ids doesn't seem to be in order and I've had other people mention that the betids from their hosted bot doesn't show up on the site when you look for it or the bet id on the site matches to someone else's bet on the site.
Can you view your bet history in their hosted bot?
after first time I get 1k+ loses in 5% chance im not played from "web hosted bot", all other are from your Dicebot windows version, and I dont understand what you mean by name "history", but yes from this hosteddicebot you will get really ridiculus things, without closing eyes, with your Dicebot from personal windows connection you will get little bit less s*it and deviations from normal things
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but from what I can see, their hosted DiceBot thing seems to be cheating and I would not use it
not only their Nitrodice hosted dicebot is cheating, they are simle some kind of manipulating with RNG, time after time, from my "player side" its seem like some one is button "ON/OFF" and someone is pushing it, and when its on you will have unrealistic streaks (im tested 5% playing only), and if you dont stop bot, he will lose all, you will can get not only on your playing side (low/high) but on other side to. you can logoff/login, resetseeds - whatever to do, you will have some minutes in every 24hours when you will have ridiculus things.Re: Seuntjies DiceBot -Multi-Site, multi-strategy betting bot for dice. With Charts!
Seuntjie, why you not commented anything about my Nitrodice cheating proofs?!
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Unless you provide PROOF of their cheating, you just sound like a sore loser. You claim to have proof, and I don't want to support a site that's cheating. So if you send me the proof and it's valid, I WILL remove the site from DiceBot. I will remove any site that is proven to cheat.
RNG making ridiculus streaks every day, nothing changing.
https://imgur.com/ZKM4zNi
(*im simple lazy to stackoff allbots to show the exactly same time)
https://imgur.com/ZKM4zNi
(*im simple lazy to stackoff allbots to show the exactly same time)
Did you verify? https://www.nitrodice.com/fairbets
Doesn't DiceBot also have automatic verification, IIRC?
Also not sure how your streaks are all 301 when the "worst streak" was <200... unless Dicebot doesn't update live.
https://i.imgur.com/JapF7zz.jpg
- now I was banned in site there Doesn't DiceBot also have automatic verification, IIRC?
Also not sure how your streaks are all 301 when the "worst streak" was <200... unless Dicebot doesn't update live.
https://i.imgur.com/JapF7zz.jpg
- dont know what is this "automatic verification IIRC"
- script does
if currentstreak < -300 then
stop()
end
thats why stats shows -301
again get some RNG streak in same time in all accounts 300 loses in row on 5%!
https://imgur.com/JapF7zz
p.s after few minutes on other side(high) the same streaks. its ridiculus
https://imgur.com/JapF7zz
p.s after few minutes on other side(high) the same streaks. its ridiculus
I don't know too much about gambling, but the odds that you put in the picture are really crazy 
At odds, everything only happens at a relative level, it also depends on the element of luck. But with 1395 consecutive losses at a rate of 5%, this means your current win rate is less than 1/1000. Not support your accusation but it is clear that this ratio can make any player angry. What do you think about checking their seeds for transparency?
At odds, everything only happens at a relative level, it also depends on the element of luck. But with 1395 consecutive losses at a rate of 5%, this means your current win rate is less than 1/1000. Not support your accusation but it is clear that this ratio can make any player angry. What do you think about checking their seeds for transparency?
dont understand what you mean, what I need to check? if you mean server/client seed then idk if there is that kind of option... this site are using i dont understand what kind of Nonce they cannot be reseted(i dont know much about seeds and how they are working) Im only know that most of sites client seed can be reseted from Seuntjie bot using resetseed() and Nonce will be reseted to 0/1, but in Nitrodice its not working like somewhere else... Nonce numbers are not reseted and cannot be reseted at all. (maybe anyone can help me to understand something how was working nitrodice nonce/seeds etc?!)
but really i dont care how site is cheating, or its manipulating with seeds, or they have RNG what can be controled time after time, or what else...
im simple put explanation and post proofs of that site is cheating and are not fair. and I know about what im talking, iv rolled milliards of bets everywhere(many of them in yolo there i have 13 accounts - nickname houseworx) and made milliards of simulations in last few years, i know what is real and what is not
Shady or not this is ridiculous for at least 5 reasons:
1- I dont know if happens all the time or you just cherry-picked the screenshots where happens to lose in every account.
2- if this was true then you should also win with all the accounts you are using. Did you track that?
3- This would not prove that is rigged but maybe only bugged because of it was true it might be used against the website because you can predict the behaviour and bet at the right moment with all the accounts. So I dont think the owners are so stupid.
4- Seuntjie certified the website. And he is pretty accurate in removing scam websites.
5- Did you verified the bets with the code provided? If they are all correct then how the hell is possible to scam if the algorithm is public?!! This means that the generated sequence would be always the same for a lot of different parameters!! Prove it. You have all the data to do all the checks.
Thats the point in this strategy?!
Cheers,
-D
2) in what scenarion win??? what??? there is no "unrealistic winning streak "periods", RNG luck deviation occurs only in minus sequences(it means you can bet 150000 bets with 97% luck below zero, but you are not having upswings in 150k bets where you will have 103% luck on that distance period.
3) how? what kind of? you only can know that unreal losing streak and deviations from normal will occurs few times in month?!
4) im talked with him, he are testing websites few minutes with rolling and somehow watching, and if they are pay for bot, then he are adding
5) what? for what i need something to check? im already written upper, im showing people that nitrodice is cheating, i dont care in wich scenario! what I need to proof?
btw, alot of question for new user with post on 3 topic, where two of it is nitrodice
I don't know too much about gambling, but the odds that you put in the picture are really crazy
At odds, everything only happens at a relative level, it also depends on the element of luck. But with 1395 consecutive losses at a rate of 5%, this means your current win rate is less than 1/1000. Not support your accusation but it is clear that this ratio can make any player angry. What do you think about checking their seeds for transparency?
At odds, everything only happens at a relative level, it also depends on the element of luck. But with 1395 consecutive losses at a rate of 5%, this means your current win rate is less than 1/1000. Not support your accusation but it is clear that this ratio can make any player angry. What do you think about checking their seeds for transparency?
dont understand what you mean, what I need to check? if you mean server/client seed then idk if there is that kind of option... this site are using i dont understand what kind of Nonce they cannot be reseted(i dont know much about seeds and how they are working) Im only know that most of sites client seed can be reseted from Seuntjie bot using resetseed() and Nonce will be reseted to 0/1, but in Nitrodice its not working like somewhere else... Nonce numbers are not reseted and cannot be reseted at all. (maybe anyone can help me to understand something how was working nitrodice nonce/seeds etc?!)
but really i dont care how site is cheating, or its manipulating with seeds, or they have RNG what can be controled time after time, or what else...
im simple put explanation and post proofs of that site is cheating and are not fair. and I know about what im talking, iv rolled milliards of bets everywhere(many of them in yolo there i have 13 accounts - nickname houseworx) and made milliards of simulations in last few years, i know what is real and what is not
Re: Seuntjies DiceBot -Multi-Site, multi-strategy betting bot for dice. With Charts!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5212443.0 made topic about Nitrodice "fairness".
Well we'll
You came in group talk about your losses and now saying it's rigged
I shared my story get rekted $500 + in stake, so NOW WHERE GO AND CRY ?
You came in group talk about your losses and now saying it's rigged
I shared my story get rekted $500 + in stake, so NOW WHERE GO AND CRY ?
not for your small minded brains, indenozian tard.
Lol you, first of all you didn't prove anything 2nd if you loss that means it's scam, ? So you mean every other dice is scam ?
I got 22 reds in 2x at stake , so that means stake is scam too, ?
I got 22 reds in 2x at stake , so that means stake is scam too, ?
you are not so clever, 22loses in ~50% is standart, im already written, tards who dont know anything about probability please dont write at all.
50% 22loses in row is same like 220loses in row on 5% +/-, so really if you dont understand anything please dont write.
Harsh Seghal, idk what is between you and nitrodice, but all know that you are defending in every way this site.
Why would you even bet that huge on a shady dice site like nitroDice. Was that the advertised 0.5% house edge that lured you?
There's always the probability of getting huge number of loses on every odds, but the losses on exact time frame you mentioned is surely a red flag.
If you are betting huge, stick to trusted dice sites.
There's always the probability of getting huge number of loses on every odds, but the losses on exact time frame you mentioned is surely a red flag.
If you are betting huge, stick to trusted dice sites.
it mentioned like shaddy? even Seuntjie added this sites, so idk.
probability is need to be like is need to be, you can't get more than (2000/chance) +/-.