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Re: Request: Disable merits in the Wall Observer thread
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joker_josue
on 27/08/2025, 22:37:17 UTC
You earlier mentioned subjectivity as an argument, which I strongly reject. The problem with subjectivity is that they can and already are using it to conceal their organized farming. One example: Make nice artwork thread similar to the Pizza Day contest in a local section as a merit source, and you can give a lot of merit to all the people in the farming group at the same time without it looking too suspicious. Subjectivity has its place, but the intent is what matters. If merits are easily earned in a local section for low effort contributions, after which the user proceeds to shitpost in other sections for campaign money, the intent is clear from the start. Of course this is extremely hard to prove compared to direct alt abuses, but you can spot some patterns because of the low quality of posts.

Like I said previously, a system that rewards quality contributions must over time naturally increase the average quality of the contributions assuming that it works. According to mindrust there was a period in which this was the case, and this empirically supports this argument. It seems that the system needs new tweaking to function again. I always through that a demerit function within such systems would be nice, but it requires more oversight as it can leads to gang behavior and significant abuse.

Maybe it's the size of my local tab; I don't know what the others are like. But frankly, this kind of pattern is easier to spot in a local tab than in global tabs. If this type of behavior exists in some local tabs, it is almost certainly detected by the main and biggest users of those tabs.

One of two things. Either all the experienced users of these tabs are participating in this conspiracy. Or all the merit sources in these tabs don't know what they're doing and are completely clueless about how the forum works and what merits are for.

In turn, the problem ends up being in the local tabs and not in global topics like WO.

Furthermore, if campaign managers allow low-quality users into their campaigns, they are seriously undermining their work! It's not enough to say that they only accept posts with more than x characters, they should blast those who frequently make short posts.

In the end, what I see is not a problem with the merits, but rather with the benefits that some users with low-quality posts have in campaigns here on the forum. Perhaps what we should be discussing is how managers analyze their user choices and retain those users in campaigns.
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Re: Champions League Pool | ⚽️ Discussion Thread | ~$15k prizes | 25/26 Recruiting!
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on 27/08/2025, 22:21:50 UTC
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Re: Request: Disable merits in the Wall Observer thread
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joker_josue
on 27/08/2025, 18:42:55 UTC
At the beginning when the merit system was new it stopped the account farmers for a while. I'd say the forum gained a couple of spam-free years because of it but since they figured out how to game it, yes that time is over.

This is a point that I still haven't been able to understand, how is the system manipulated?

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Well, it is not rocket science.

If you go to WO or the $100k/push-up challenge topic start posting moon boi messages, you'll farm some serious merits that way. Once you have a main acc that holds considerable amount of merits, you can start building your own alt army and exchange merits between accounts. That's probably what the acc farmers are doing atm. It might sound unreal, non-sense, unworthy to you but some people try it anyway.

You are right some people give merits to short ass moon boi messages a lot and that behavior encourages account farmers but here is the problem, merit distribution is not moderated. Meaning, people can merit whatever post the find merit worthy.

In the end we are almost back to where we were before a decade ago.

I understand what you're saying, and I realize that it might even work to a certain extent, but I have some reservations about whether it's really a big problem or just one or another more publicized case.

Or maybe I'm just being very naive and don't understand the scope of this whole "macabre" scheme.

A user has three alt accounts in addition to their main one. They collect merits from their main account, which they then redistribute among their alts. (At this point, if someone is caught doing this, they can be reported, I think it wasn't the first time it happened.) But, he doesn't get caught and continues.

If the main account earns 30 merits, it distributes 10 merits to the 3 alts.
Each alt will have 5 merits to give. If everyone gives to the main, he will have 7 merits to give.
It returns 2 merits for each alt account.
These alts return to giving 1 merit to the main, and have 1 or 2 more merits to give.
In the end, each high received about 12 or 13 merits throughout this process.
He has to do this scheme about 10 times for an alt to reach Full Member. Added to that, each alt has to have an activity of about 200.

Honestly, I find it hard to believe that with just this scheme (have 1 or more alts) the account will level up.

I still remember the effort involved in leveling up and earning merits, and I find it hard to believe it's that simple. Yes, I probably also earned some merits with little effort, for posting in a few threads. But I also know it was never a significant amount, maybe 10, 20, a little more. That doesn't get you very far.

I see it as somewhat difficult for someone to farm merits using only these resources. Maybe they're being naive... but I think it's difficult.

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Re: EUA solicitando "modo público" em redes sociais para tirar visto
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joker_josue
on 27/08/2025, 17:36:42 UTC
Bem, eu não fui ver o caso em específico, nem investigar a fundo a informação sobre o tema.

Mas, dos casos que tenho visto com mais detalhe, chegou sempre a uma conclusão simples: o indivíduo realmente tinha algo que não era positivo e que em condições normais, com análise bem feita pelas autoridades ele nunca entrava, nem hoje, nem há dois anos atrás.

Não estou com isto a dizer que apoio ou não essa medida, a ser exatamente assim. Agora também é muito comum inflamar a situação na net, só por ser o país que é e a situação que estão atualmente.
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Re: O que você precisa saber sobre segurança em transações com criptomoedas
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joker_josue
on 27/08/2025, 17:25:29 UTC
⭐ Merited by bitmover (1)
KYC e AML garantem a segurança dos usuários. Se a plataforma está em conformidade com o compliance, primeiro, você não receberá fundos "sujos" na sua conta, o que poderia resultar em bloqueios em outras plataformas. Em segundo lugar, a empresa é legítima, o que significa que ela não tem problemas legais e há menos probabilidade de a plataforma ser um golpe. Esses são os pontos mais importantes que garantem a estabilidade e a segurança na plataforma.

Não concordo, e a história prova isso.

O FTX tinha KYC/AML e era considerada uma das melhores exchanges do mercado, e como sabemos, fecharam deixando milhares de clientes com prejuízo.

Por tanto, não é o facto de uma plataforma usar KYC ou AML que garante maior segurança.
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Re: Como Exportar/Importar Etiquetas em Carteiras Populares
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joker_josue
on 27/08/2025, 17:21:42 UTC
Por acaso desconhecia que era possível, em alguns casos, importar/exportar as etiquetas que criamos nas wallet.

A Ledger não suporta, mas se a pessoa usar o Electrum já consegue fazer isso. Interessante.

Obrigado pela partilha do artigo.
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Re: Request: Disable merits in the Wall Observer thread
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joker_josue
on 27/08/2025, 06:57:41 UTC
⭐ Merited by vapourminer (1) ,JayJuanGee (1)
At the beginning when the merit system was new it stopped the account farmers for a while. I'd say the forum gained a couple of spam-free years because of it but since they figured out how to game it, yes that time is over.

This is a point that I still haven't been able to understand, how is the system manipulated?

- Is someone taking money to give merit? As far as I know, this is prohibited. Anyone who knows this is happening should report it.
- Does anyone always give merits to the same people? I don't see this as system manipulation, but rather as normal. If someone identifies more with a particular user's opinion, it's normal for that user to receive more merits.
- Are more merits given in local tabs than in other tabs? I doubt this is some kind of manipulation. If someone spends more time in a certain section of the forum, it's normal for them to give more merits there.

Let me give you an example. Note that 60% of my posts are in the local tab. It's normal for more than half of my merits to be used there. Of course there are posts outside the local tab, which I would easily give merits to, but unfortunately I haven't gotten to them yet - maybe unfortunately I won't even get there. In turn, in the last 3 months, I received more merits outside my local tab than inside it.

OK, it might be true that in some cases, some people receive merits for simply saying "Hi." But honestly, is this considered a merit scheme? We can't forget that leveling up isn't just about merits; it requires activity. Don't tell me that just because someone receives a few dozen merits on posts that we all agree are of poor quality, they're going to move up a level.

In turn, the problem isn't the merit system, nor is it who receives merits; at the very least, it's who gives them. But this system is free for everyone to use as they wish. Do you want to lose that freedom just because of the bad behavior of a few? This is what I see more and more in everyday life, and then people complain that they are losing their privacy and freedom of choice.


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Re: Portuguese League - Liga Portugal 2025/26
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joker_josue
on 27/08/2025, 06:38:46 UTC
I only made a mistake in the Braga game; the rest of the time, I got everything right. And the most incredible thing is that Braga had five shots on goal and converted two of them. AVS had two shots on goal, and they scored on both. Impressive.

The problem is that they're focused on the Europa League playoffs. Like it or not, until that point is sealed, it's difficult to switch teams from one competition to the next.

Not to devalue AVS, which has been a tougher team to beat than expected lately. However, Braga had every chance of winning and could have done a little better.
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Re: A privacidade na internet está com os dias contados
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joker_josue
on 27/08/2025, 06:34:32 UTC
Acho que o principal problema nesse caso do Felca é que eles estavam de acordo com pais e mães postando videos de meninas com 8, 10, 12 anos dançando e fazendo atos "inocentes" mas que podem ser usados para o mal pelos doentes da cabeça. Se começarem a controlar melhor esse tipo de video para evitar crianças com pouca roupa, realizando gestos, etc... a coisa deve melhorar.

Melhora no aspeto de percepção geral. Infelizmente, o verdadeiro conteúdo depravado continua a circular...  Angry



E agora? Trump falou que vai aplicar ainda mais tarifas em países que regulam e censuram redes sociais. O Brasil já tem uma das maiores taxas e ainda quer passar a Lei Felca para controlar as redes sociais que tem base nos Estados Unidos da América.

Fonte: https://x.com/SamPancher/status/1960139059893776560

Estamos com tempos sombrios a diante. Cry

Eu acho que esse é um recado para a UE... Acredita, que muitas desses regulamentos que existem nas empresas tecnológicas tem origem na UE, que depois outros imitam.

Por exemplo, de onde surgiu o maravilhoso Regulamento da Proteção de Dados? Da UE.
Uma das ideias era eu receber menos spam no email, e recebo ainda mais agora.  Roll Eyes


Eu não disse que era uma indireta para a UE!?  Roll Eyes

"É um direito soberano da UE e dos seus Estados membros regular as atividades económicas no nosso território, que são consistentes com os nossos valores democráticos", disse Paula Pinho, a principal porta-voz da Comissão, na terça-feira.


Olhem só a lista de regras e regrinhas:
Como parte das negociações comerciais, a Comissão recusou-se a fazer concessões sobre a regulamentação tecnológica, como a Lei dos Serviços Digitais (DSA), que visa combater o conteúdo ilegal e a desinformação online; a Lei dos Mercados Digitais (DMA), que visa garantir uma concorrência livre e justa; e a Lei da Inteligência Artificial, que estabelece regras para sistemas de IA considerados como riscos para a segurança humana e os direitos humanos.

A Apple, a Meta e a Alphabet estão a ser investigadas ao abrigo da DMA, enquanto os serviços Instagram e Facebook da X (antigo Twitter) e da Meta são objeto de sondagens da DSA.


E veem mais regras, como falei aqui: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5553005.msg65709367#msg65709367
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Re: Portuguese League - Liga Portugal 2025/26
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joker_josue
on 26/08/2025, 18:31:52 UTC
After another weekend of championship matches, we saw that the big three teams won, with only Braga drawing their game. Here's the results list.

MATCH DAY 3 - RESULTS:
Moreirense 2-0 Vitória SC
CD Nacional 1-4 Sporting CP
Arouca 3-3 Rio Ave
SL Benfica 3-0 Tondela
Famalicão 0-0 Gil Vicente
Porto 4-0 Casa Pia
Braga 2-2 AVS
Amadora 2-2 Alverca
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Re: Intel finalmente assume falha nos processadores de 13° e 14° geração
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joker_josue
on 26/08/2025, 18:24:09 UTC
Revivendo o tópico sobre a Intel..

Não sei se vocês viram, mas o governo americano agora é dono de 10% da Intel após um "aporte" bilionário: https://g1.globo.com/tecnologia/noticia/2025/08/26/entenda-como-o-governo-trump-virou-socio-da-intel.ghtml

Estão virando a China? Huh

Acho que neste caso é mesmo para a Intel não virar chinesa...

É que a China estava a começar a ter um peso muito forte dentro da empresa. Se o governo quer valorizar as empresas nacionais, teve de por mão e investir para que a Intel continue a ser US.
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Re: Request: Disable merits in the Wall Observer thread
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joker_josue
on 26/08/2025, 18:18:32 UTC
⭐ Merited by vapourminer (1) ,JayJuanGee (1)
Merit system worked for a while until it didn't.
I don't know the state of things before this system, but it is clear that it does not work at all. Almost all posts everywhere I go are junk, very few are non generic garbage. If a system like this was working, over time most posts would converge on the quality of d5000's posts. As people genuinely try to do research, learn and improve their content then the average post quality must continue to rise consistently.

Not really. To achieve this kind of scale, the cycle of new users would need to be non-constant, there would be no alt accounts, and some of the good posters would need to stay.

Like any system, it is infallible against abuse. Unfortunately, abuses do occur. But for me, the problem isn't who receives, but who gives. In turn, if someone is free to give merits to whomever they want, even if I don't agree with those choices, that's their right.



actually has a real solution unlike the problem that is described in the title of this thread.
While I would not mind individual improvements such as the proposed in the OP, I agree with you. There is very bad merit farming and cycling in local sections that this would not do too much. Whenever I see an user with more merit than is warranted by his post quality, I quickly find that he has earned them in local sections for short or generic posts.  Roll Eyes

This is also very subjective. Someone can write a very good post and receive a lot of merits, and then write 30 weak posts and receive zero merits.



Anyway, I see this conversation as being more about creating rules for assigning merits than anything else. It seems people have forgotten that there's always been a lot of freedom on the forum, and they want to impose similar rules—unfairly—to those that exist offline.
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Re: Deputados do PSD e PT pedem multa e prisão a quem apostar com criptomoedas
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joker_josue
on 26/08/2025, 17:41:05 UTC
O que eu acho é que pode funcionar e inibir apostadores brasileiros de usar serviços pagos com crypto, mas pode ser também um tiro no pé. A proibição pode causar o crescimento de um mercado paralelo de apostas com crypto sem regulamentação, que não garantem qualquer proteção ao consumidor e não arrecadam os devidos impostos.

Para mim este é o ponto.
Essas leis são criam situações, para pessoas que fazem tudo certinho, sejam a ter de fazer coisas no mercado paralelo.

Continua achar que eles perdem mais com essas leis do que antes de existirem.

Isso faz lembrar aquela história do IPTV que agora está muito badalada na Europa. Dizem que perdem milhões por as pessoas usarem IPTV em vez de subscrever os serviços. Eles estão a presumir que todas essas pessoas vão subscrever os serviços se não houver IPTV.

Claro que não vão. Sem IPTV vão continuar a não ter esses milhões. Aliás até vão perder, porque vai haver menos pessoas a ver e a publicidade deixa de render tanto.

Porque o IPTV é mau porque perdem dinheiro... Mas será bom para dizer quantas pessoas vêem o canal...

Enfim...
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Re: [ANN] █ Guaranteed No KYC / AML Checks █ Trêvoid's Swap Service CRYPTO ⇄ CRYPTO
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joker_josue
on 26/08/2025, 17:29:55 UTC

You need to know that we primarily deliver XMR to our clients. In rare cases, we may provide BTC or other cryptocurrencies, but these are always AML checked and carry a low AML risk. At no point we have ever stated that we deliver "toxic" coins, nor has any client ever reported issues with the coins we’ve delivered.


Out of curiosity, do you use a third-party tool to do this analysis? Or do you have your own tool?
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Re: eXch - instant exchange BTC / LN / XMR / LTC / ETH / ERC20
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joker_josue
on 26/08/2025, 17:26:17 UTC
⭐ Merited by apogio (1)
the problem is:

(a) how do they determine that addressA is high risk?
(b) why does addressB need to know that addressA was high risk?
(c) why should addressB owner be any guilty for addressA owner?

Exactly.
Just as you when you receive fiat you are not thinking about where the money comes from, whether something illicit or not, the same is said of bitcoin.

But they don't understand this, or rather, they don't want to understand.

We, in turn, have to try to understand what they think, assess the situation and act accordingly.

As I said, in the research I've been doing, in order to get an idea of this, now it's time to try to put it into practice (soon).
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Re: Dados de merit da nossa aba local
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joker_josue
on 26/08/2025, 17:18:50 UTC
⭐ Merited by bitmover (1)
Mais uma atualização mensal com os dados do Rikafip

Atingimos o maior merit ratio da nossa história, com 0.6 merits por post. Parabéns  joker_josue, sua participação está mudando as coisas por aqui!

Não sei se fui só eu. Todos ajudamos. Até porque sem posts ou topicos não consigo fazer muito mais.

Mesmo assim acho que posso melhorar. Dar um pouco mais de cada vez. Mas, mais posts de qualidade vão ajudar.  Wink
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Re: A privacidade na internet está com os dias contados
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joker_josue
on 26/08/2025, 06:52:21 UTC
⭐ Merited by TryNinja (1)
E agora? Trump falou que vai aplicar ainda mais tarifas em países que regulam e censuram redes sociais. O Brasil já tem uma das maiores taxas e ainda quer passar a Lei Felca para controlar as redes sociais que tem base nos Estados Unidos da América.

Fonte: https://x.com/SamPancher/status/1960139059893776560

Estamos com tempos sombrios a diante. Cry

Eu acho que esse é um recado para a UE... Acredita, que muitas desses regulamentos que existem nas empresas tecnológicas tem origem na UE, que depois outros imitam.

Por exemplo, de onde surgiu o maravilhoso Regulamento da Proteção de Dados? Da UE.
Uma das ideias era eu receber menos spam no email, e recebo ainda mais agora.  Roll Eyes
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Re: ♻️ CCE.Cash - Instant & Automatic Exchange!
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joker_josue
on 26/08/2025, 06:48:30 UTC
The whale sold 24,000 Bitcoins, worth $2.7 billion, on Sunday, triggering a $4,000 price drop in just minutes. However, they still hold 152,874 Bitcoins, valued at over $17 billion.

It's always like this, people always look at the sales side, without noticing that on the safe side there is much, much more.

The market needs to start getting more accustomed to selling; it's too attached to holding. People have to liquidate their earnings in order to live and enjoy them. Everyone has this right.
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Re: CAMPANHAS DE ASSINATURAS ATUALIZADAS
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joker_josue
on 26/08/2025, 06:45:22 UTC
Cara, falando sobre o tempo... vocÊs sabem que essa percepção é sinal de que as coisas estão fora do controle que você deveria ter né!

Pra ele estar passando muito rápido, de duas uma pelo menos:
1. Você tá trabalhando demais, não tem tempo pra quase nada fora dele e deixa de aproveitar a vida, curtir a família ou com os amigos;
2. Você é alguém que vive com a grana curta, torcendo pra chegar o final do mês o dia do vale, o fim do ano pra receber o décimo terceiro, e quando vê o ciclo recomeçou e você não conquistou nada além de alguns anos a menos na sua vida nesse plano terrestre;
Cuidado ein!

Bem o primeiro ponto, até posso entender. A pessoa fica tão envolvida no trabalho, principalmente que gosta, que acaba nem repara o tempo passar.
Agora o segundo ponto, acho que é um pouco ao contrario. Quando a grana é curta, parece que nunca é final do mês... As vezes os meses parecem muito longos.

Acho que muitas das vezes, não passa de uma rotina bem completa, mesmo que incluía o laser. A pessoa esta numa rotina tão regular, que quando pensa, já passou x tempo. As vezes é bom quebrar essa rotina. Mas nem sempre é fácil, principalmente se a pessoa já tem vários projetos em mãos, e se gosta do que faz.
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Re: Preço não para de cair. Nada mais pode ser feito.
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joker_josue
on 26/08/2025, 06:36:51 UTC
Preço caindo e a altcoin que estava farmando com stables despencando.

Saylor, você me prometeu. Angry Angry

Ele esta de ferias...

A malta esta a regressar das ferias e tem menos capital para investimentos. Agora, tem que esperar um pouco para a coisa animar novamente.