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3 things that influence bitcoin price that nobody ever talks about
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mestar
on 10/12/2017, 11:30:58 UTC
Whenever you hear about Bitfinex fraud. you never hear it this way: If you issue 700 million USD of some currency, and that currency is on the exchange, surely that 700 million affected the Bitcoin price.  Probably raised it.

Whenever you hear about how much of the world's electricity Bitcoin is using, you never hear how that affects bitcoin price.  Probably pushes it down.  After all, miners have to pay their bills somehow.

For the first, you can watch a whole 60 minutes of video on youtube about it, but the guy will never mention that that made up money will feed into the bubble. Only the fear of how will its collapse cause the price to drop is talked about. Also, once USDT gets on the exchanges and in people's hands, it can never leave.

This leaves me to the third point.  It is not possible, by definition, for everyone to "exit" the bitcoin.  Yes, one can sell it, but that just means somebody else has it now.   Or, a whole group, like "smart traders" can sell it, but, when looking at all the people in total, there is never any "leaving bitcoin" happening.     The same is true for USDT, and surelly that 700 million USDT played a huge part in this rise from 1k to 16k for Bitcoin.



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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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mestar
on 04/12/2017, 09:08:13 UTC

I’m a harder bull than many in this thread.  I have a 5 year price forecast of US$150 - 500k.  The reason is because I believe that Bitcoin has been mischaracterised as an asset when it is really a financial instrument.  In the period 2000 - 2007 the global value of CDOs rose from $69 billion to $1.7 trillion.  Bitcoin could easily do the same except it is starting from a higher base and has the potential for much greater capital inflows and higher market cap because it is also traded by retail investors.   So I put the market cap at $2 trillion to $5 trillion after 5 years.  This is without any disruption of the existing market system - ie the value of the US dollar remains much the same.  I have assumed for these purposes that the number of generated, non-lost, non-dust Bitcoins is somewhere less than 12 million.

I come off as a bear sometimes as I am a big fan of Nicholas Taleb in the book The Black Swan.  Looking for black swans is a bit of a hobby.

In any event, come what may, I enjoy the company of everyone on this thread as we share this historic journey.

Are you aware of the feedback loop that exists between bitcoin price and how much it spends on electricity?
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Re: Bitcoin Can Be 1 Million in 2020
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mestar
on 02/12/2017, 10:05:33 UTC
Brakes are built in:  higher the price, more mining as measured in electricity used.  Miners have to sell Bitcoins to pay the bills.  So, higher the BTC price, more selling there is.

At 10,000, we are already at the 500 million per month for miners.  So you need that amount (more like 50% of it) of fresh money per month to enter exchanges just to keep the BTC price stable.

At BTC one million, we are talking about 50 billion dollars each month. Smiley
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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mestar
on 02/12/2017, 09:46:53 UTC
+114 mil tethers during the last 3 days , 20k until jan ? Roll Eyes
It’s extraordinary.  People wire USD to Bitfinex. Bitifinex gives them Tethers for their USD. They spend the Tether on Bitcoin.  The price of Bitcoin goes up.  It’s incredibly suspicious how people buying Bitcoin makes the price go up and brings more Tethers into circulation.  You just can’t explain that.  It has to be a conspiracy. 


Given that in history, nobody could resist the temptation of giving himself free money when having the power to do so, I think we have finally found somebody worthy enough.  Thus, printing USDT is totally legit.



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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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mestar
on 02/12/2017, 09:37:23 UTC
Looking at the 30 minutes chart on bitcoinwisdom, for Bitstamp and Bitfinex, if you look at the volume bars, they are very similar. Aren't they supposed to be two separate exchanges?  There is never a volume spike in one that is also not present in the other.  What is gong on?
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Re: Did Bitcoin price rise that fast because of ICO's / Forks?
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mestar
on 30/11/2017, 15:04:14 UTC
Bicoin's price rise makes sense if you create 700 million USDT with a stroke of a pen, and then buy BTC with that made up money.

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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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mestar
on 04/08/2017, 06:49:42 UTC
Bcash cost of production (difficulty) is now being slashed by 20% per block for the next 6 blocks. Expect miners to follow cost of production slavishly. Forking guys have no idea what they have unleashed ... it will become apparent soon now.

Yes, the existence BCC will destabilize BCT mining.  

Everyone knows that at equilibrium, if BCC has 1/10th the value of BTC, that the hash power mining BCC will be 1/10th that mining BTC.  

What is less obvious what happens when the system is not in equilibrium. Imagine that the market reprices BCC 100% higher and BTC 10% lower.  What is the expected distribution of hash power now assuming short-term profit-maximizing miners?  

The answer is "most of it will be mining BCC." Because the difficulty adjusts only very slowly (every 2016 blocks) BCC becomes twice as profitable to mine as BTC.  Hash-per-hash miners would earn double by mining BCC.  This continues until the difficulty reset comes when BCC would go "limit up" (4X), when most miners would leave BCC back for BTC.  BCC's difficulty would slowly ratchet back down due to its fast difficulty adjustment and the process would later repeat.  

What this suggest is that at times when BCC is more profitable to mine and the hash rate migrates to BCC, the average block time for BTC will increase significantly and BTC's already slow and expensive transactions will become much more so.  


Umm..what?

How is 25 BCC (at 10% the value of BTC) mined per day more profitable than 300 BTC per day?


So, you are incapable of imagining:  "Imagine that the market reprices BCC 100% higher and BTC 10% lower.  What is the expected distribution of hash power now assuming short-term profit-maximizing miners?"



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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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mestar
on 04/08/2017, 06:43:29 UTC

What this suggest is that at times when BCC is more profitable to mine and the hash rate migrates to BCC, the average block time for BTC will increase significantly and BTC's already slow and expensive transactions will become much more so.  


"Profitable to mine" means you have to have buyers. If you haven't noticed, everyone is trying to dump their BCC (BCH? whatever) at any price and trade for more BTC.


Having a price on an exchange implies there is somebody willing to buy.  Your argument is invalid, nice try.


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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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mestar
on 04/08/2017, 06:41:22 UTC
Bcash cost of production (difficulty) is now being slashed by 20% per block for the next 6 blocks. Expect miners to follow cost of production slavishly. Forking guys have no idea what they have unleashed ... it will become apparent soon now.

Yes, the existence BCC will destabilize BCT mining.  

Everyone knows that at equilibrium, if BCC has 1/10th the value of BTC, that the hash power mining BCC will be 1/10th that mining BTC.  

What is less obvious what happens when the system is not in equilibrium. Imagine that the market reprices BCC 100% higher and BTC 10% lower.  What is the expected distribution of hash power now assuming short-term profit-maximizing miners?  

The answer is "most of it will be mining BCC." Because the difficulty adjusts only very slowly (every 2016 blocks) BCC becomes twice as profitable to mine as BTC.  Hash-per-hash miners would earn double by mining BCC.  This continues until the difficulty reset comes when BCC would go "limit up" (4X), when most miners would leave BCC back for BTC.  BCC's difficulty would slowly ratchet back down due to its fast difficulty adjustment and the process would later repeat.  

What this suggest is that at times when BCC is more profitable to mine and the hash rate migrates to BCC, the average block time for BTC will increase significantly and BTC's already slow and expensive transactions will become much more so.  


Excellent analysis.  You have just proven that with maximally exploitative mining strategy, you can't have two parallel coins that would work smoothly.   Since 100% of miners would switch to the more profitable one, the other would be paused.

It would not be the slow adjusting difficulty, but the more frequently updated exchange prices that would govern this process.


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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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mestar
on 03/08/2017, 06:18:19 UTC
Are you retarded Ibian?  You think that merely because 51% of mining power supports something then bitcoin should just change because of that? 


Yes, that is "da law".


Maybe you should think about how unstable such a rule would cause bitcoin to become?


It's been like that since the beginning.  What exactly do you think was unstable?

Where 51% goes, the other 49% follows.





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Re: World's Biggest AIR-DROP in History happening!
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mestar
on 02/08/2017, 20:30:24 UTC
BCC faced $1200 on bittrex a couple of hours ago. Interesting point with this is that bitcoin price was not affected by this huge air drop. I just can't understand this. Under normal conditions, bitcoin price should have been dropped hard. But it didn't.

I see you are assuming that there is a logic to bitcoin price in the first place.

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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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mestar
on 02/08/2017, 20:18:44 UTC
Well the price wait for until u sell as long as u hold until u sell.


When I sell, sometimes there is a gap between my hodling and selling, and sometimes when I sell, I still hold for a little bit after I sell.


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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
by
mestar
on 02/08/2017, 18:09:07 UTC
It currently stands at $460 BCH  / 2700 BTC at Kraken, and $720 BCH  /2700 BTC at Bitterx.   Such a high price is definitely unexpected.

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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
by
mestar
on 02/08/2017, 18:02:33 UTC
Exchanges, on the other hand...


Lets say there is a miner underground movement to recompile the client with 8MB block limit.  They can do it, and they don't even have to tell anyone.   However, the first ones to do it are risking it, because their big blocks will probably not end up in the longest chain. 

However, if more than 50% do it, we get a hard fork, and small block miners are forced to switch.

And, believe me, exchanges would be first ones to switch, as they have most to lose.
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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mestar
on 02/08/2017, 17:42:22 UTC
That's a good explanation. But what happens if 51% of hashpower want bigger blocks but Core Developers refuse?



Miners can then just recompile with one constant changed.  In practice, they would have a hard time organizing, and finding someone trustful enough to create a new version and compile it for them,  so, "current state" always has a huge advantage.

But now that this has been done, it would be really interesting to see what would happen if majority of miners switched, even if for no other reason but because they are all Chinese.
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
by
mestar
on 02/08/2017, 17:29:26 UTC
That's a good explanation. But what happens if 51% of hashpower want bigger blocks but Core Developers refuse?


Then 51% can go to war and hope to get lucky to create the longest chain, and this is one of the basic Bitcoin facts, longest chain wins.

This is almost exactly what is going on right now, but with 10% of hashrate instead of 51%.

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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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mestar
on 02/08/2017, 17:18:39 UTC
You are right. I expressed my thought sloppily.
"Half of the BTC value at the time of the split has been traded..."
Ultimately implying that the mere existence of a new chain does not mean there is actual value stored in it.


Lets say that 10 million BCH have been traded in the next week, and price ends up at $5.   At this point the selling pressure will stop, and it could be a good moment to buy.  After all, all those 10 million did find somebody interested in buying them.

As for actual value,  there is no other value other than somebody willing to buy them from you, and this is true for both BTC and BCH.

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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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mestar
on 02/08/2017, 17:00:06 UTC
Sounds like you are saying that users (other than the miners) have any say in what blocks get accepted, and what blocks get rejected.

Nodes do. Financially heavy nodes, more so.

Your node (financially heavy? Say what?) can reject blocks and transactions however it wants, and this will have zero effect on what blocks miners create. 

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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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mestar
on 02/08/2017, 16:49:22 UTC
When I say 50/50, I mean value wise. So I actually meant "half of the BTCs have been traded for BCH".
At the moment, the number of extant BTC=BCH.


So, you are not aware that in any BTC/BCH trade, the number of both BTC and BCH stays exactly the same?

So, there is no such a thing as "half of the BTCs are traded for BCH". 
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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mestar
on 02/08/2017, 16:45:37 UTC
"Please, tidy up the kitchen, will you?" (Abide by my rules and I'll take your blocks for good.)

"No, I'm going to do the bedroom. The kitches is a remnant from an era when people used to cook for themselves. Now it's catering all over. Bedroom." (I make the rules, I'm the miner.)


Sounds like you are saying that users (other than the miners) have any say in what blocks get accepted, and what blocks get rejected.