not sure if this is the same thing, but nonetheless, I find it strange that not many people are complaining about these cards, a quick google search doesn't return much, this is why I am hoping that there is a solution to this issue out there.

Oh damn! what a waste of money, I always do my research, but this one was really tricky! is there any workaround to this issue? what causes the hashrate drop? I want to understand the technical cause behind this since it really doesn't make sense to me.

I just grabbed a few of these cards thinking I was getting a good deal on them, the seller did mention 22Mhs on Ethash in his listing, I did a quick research about the cards and I came across  this video of Bits be Trippin it clearly showed 22Mhs with great efficiency (the cards have a 75W TDP) and they run very cool.

After 2 days of playing around:

- I can't get the cards to hash at more than 14Mhs on Ethereum/Ethereum classic, I can, however, get 21MHs on expanse (lower epoch, smaller dag)
- I tried Linux and windows, with the same results, I tried drivers from 384 to 440
- On the site of Manli links to the drivers seem to be dead so not sure if I need these drivers specifically
- I came across this post mentioning the dag size issue so this is where it clicked for me
- These cards are 6GB cards, so they definitely still have enough room for the dag file at least for a couple more years.

My issue is that these cards are pretty much useless at everything except ethash, they have half of the computing units that of a normal GTX1060 6GB or a P106-100 cards (5 instead of 10), it seems like they were designed specifically for Ethash mining, I am hoping one of you out there have answers to how to resolve this.

Edit: At this point I know it is the DAG file size, I am trying to understand why is this happening when the card still has plenty of memory left? my hope is that someone has already figured out a solution since I can't find many people complaining about this card.

what is this ?  

I did notice the lack of pictures of small miners in this thread, it means that mining is really turning to be a corporate professional task since the introduce of ASICs.

Graphics cards will be history with Litecoin mining as well.

he said he is still mining Bitcoin with his GPUs

I think he is trolling

I always wanted to bookmark this thread by posting something but never had the chance to do so, but today I am going to do it by posting my old GPU mining rigs ( not all mine my mining partner as well)


 The Pictures of the latest retired rigs (5970, 7970,7950), I don't have pictures of the previous mining rigs (5850, 5870) still the 4x7970 with the changed fans in the 1st picture are bought from another miner after the block halving, we've always upgraded through time but in March 2013 when AVALON started shipping and Bitcoin GPU mining was almost dead I went to Litecoin mining for few of months then stopped completely  in August and I sold all the cards.









after that, we've bought 3 used jalapenos, these are about the only ASICs we have ever owned and we didn't have them for a long time as well (2 weeks I think) and sold them for the same price I bought for:

Nah I am legit:

https://github.com/mmitech
https://twitter.com/mmitech

I didn't phrase that accurately it was not the exact top and bottom, it is not like everyone catches the exact bottom and top, Buying back around $200 gave me 45X gains and I also bought Ethereum at around $0.85, I made a killing there as well.

Horrible privacy, Horrible scaling at the first layer, unreliable for microtransactions...etc, and now toxic community that has cult-like features.

Beam is everything that Bitcoin is not that is why I say it is not a zero-sum game.

Also, ain't no one telling me about how is the code is great, I worked for a company that basically made shitcoins for other companies (private blockchains), it is so much insulting to hear about how much talent Bitcoin devs have, other industries have thousands of better-talented people that you can't even start comparing.. I cringe so hard every time I hear this especially because most of the time it comes from noobs who have no idea.

Data show otherwise, Beam average number of transactions daily is much more than Monero and definitely more than Zcash and Grin combined and it is growing daily, again I am not trying to convince you anything, just get your facts straight.

Someone asked me how come an OG like me is into altcoins, the truth is that I joined this space for 2 things: interesting tech and making profits, and after 7 years I am still looking at all kinds of tech and trying to make a living off it at the same time, so all I can say to you guys is don't be stuck in that echo chamber of maximalism, be a minimalist on maximalism because it is becoming a cult.

Ask yourself what is the goal behind your involvement in this space, then be agnostic about it.

Sorry if you understood me the wrong way, I am not trying to sell you anything, I did mention how I am diversifying my portfolio this time and why.

I argued the mere fact that Beam is not a shitcoin after someone mentioned that it was. Happy speculation, I will probably check in after another 3 years.

Game theory is all in favor of the dev tax, Don't compare it to Bitcoin because as you said, Bitcoin has that network effect, dev tax is major for a project survival the first few years before it proves viable and gains community and the same people that trash altcoins refuse to let change to happen in the first layer of Bitcoin. there is no way that MW,cut-through and fly client and all the great tech would be implemented in Bitcoin layer1.

In fact, Blockstream go trashing every project out there, they try to shame any innovation because of "bad designs/centralization" but when they do it it is fine, they went and developed liquid which is a federated centralized chain with a shitcoin token and called it Bitcoin 1.5 ...it is just ridiculous. read this thread.

Exactly as I remember you, there has been no value from reading your posts and there is still no value... the dogs bark but the caravan moves on.

you are going into my ignore goodbye.

Beam has all of that... but if the dev tax really puts you off then IDK...you are probably just another choosing beggar.

1- That is what you like to believe and that is the exact BS people are trying to sell to the public opinion, we devs look at numbers: ~97% of nodes run Bitcoin core nodes of which only 3.2 run on 0.15.1 which is the earliest version that has any significant count, there is also a Beam Rust implementation being worked on, but this doesn't mean shit really, we've seen how this plays out with both Bitcoin and Ethereum. it doesn't really help much.

2- I did not underestimate the network effect, I acknowledged its importance but I also gave an example of how this fade away in a very noisy market especially when slow progress is made (IBM) and I also said that I don't think the crypto game is a zero-sum game like some would like to think.

3- Cypherpunk is also not about slaving your days away, the word free always meant freedom never mean slave your days away for free, most successful open source projects are lead by corporates (Popular Linux distribution like RedHat and Ubuntu, OpenSuse or projects like Mozilla, Android or libs like openssl, boost and many other libs....)

4- you guarantee it? that is kind of a huge statement without any proof! just by looking at https://whattomine.com/ half of the hashrate comes from nicehash which is basically GPU miners chasing profitability, I have been watching this for months, when profitability jumps just a bit up the hashrate goes through the roof and vice versa.

5- Of course not, not sure if you have any idea about the open-source software, Beam is released under the Apache license which has 0 Liability and 0 Warranty. if a government crackdown on the team it would just mean the team will not be able to commit to the source code, the community can still keep the project going, in fact, community commits are getting higher by the day.

1- I agree, development was designed to be centralized for the first year to allow for quicker progress (compare it to Grin or Monero for example), Ethereum and Zcash have the same model but Beam will change that by handing it to a foundation (same like the one Bitcoin had early days), but honestly if you think about it even the Bitcoin core write access is mostly held by Blockstream employees so...
2- Network effect works as long as the tech evolves, IBM had the network effect at some point as well, not denying Bitcoin's Network effect but I don't think this is a zero-sum game, don't forget that Beam was the first MW implementation, and it offers the best privacy/scaling right now.
3- Dev tax is priced in, I see the dev tax the same way I see the coinbase reward miners collect, we don't expect miners to throw free power thus we shouldn't expect devs to work for free, and you are so wrong about the cypherpunk principals, free means freedom and not slavery. also, what about the 1M BTC Satoshi owns? is it fair if he would be able to spend it one day?
4- Nothing is Asic resilient and the plan is not to be ASIC resistant, but switching PoW every 6 moths ruin any plans for any ASIC R&D thus making the distribution somewhat better the first year.

I sold most around $9K bought back with some of my stash around $4500, Also why do you think beam is a joke? provide an argument, but I will feel free to tell you what Beam has done better than Bitcoin (in fact Bitcoin will be never able to do this):

- it offers the best privacy out there by using the mimblewimble protocol (written from scratch).
- it has improved on the vanilla MW implementation by adding the use of decoy outputs in the Dandelion stem phase. Those decoy outputs are later being spent forward by the nodes, so no permanent clutter on the blockchain.
- It uses the cut-through tech so the whole blockchain will always be small enough to sync even on mobile devices because The cut-through removes all the intermediate states of UTXOs, essentially leaving only unspent outputs on the blockchain.
- it uses fly client which is the first privacy coin to do so
- it scales orders of magnitude better than Bitcoin or Monero or Zcash on layer1 and the implementation of layer2 doesn't expose you since both layers are anonymous.
- it has the best UX compared to any privacy coin out there
- Better coin distribution for the first year and a half by planning 2 hard forks to change the PoW to make it ASIC resilient at the early stage.
- Since in privacy coins, inflation is something that can't be easily detected, in Beam audibility is easier since no funds are created of thin air simply because the number of inputs and outputs should always cancel out due to the cut-through feature.

I will pause here and wait for you to explain why is Beam a joke.