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Re: Advanced Hardware, SHA256 and Scrypt questions
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phk
on 28/04/2013, 11:36:16 UTC

That or ive misunderstood the purpose off thread-concurrency

Probably this.
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Re: Advanced Hardware, SHA256 and Scrypt questions
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phk
on 28/04/2013, 00:46:03 UTC
Isint GPU memory external RAM? Or is that a whole different ballgame cause of high clock frequency?

GPU have L1/L2 cache hierarchy just like a CPU.  SCRYPT only performs well if it is small enough to fit into on-chip memory.  If you have to go off-chip, it's going to be a turd.  But yes, most graphic cards have seemingly endless amounts of external memory.

The SCRYPT configuration used in Litecoin needs 128KB, which fits easily into onchip cache in a CPU/GPU, and into onchip block memory on many (not all) FPGA.

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Re: Advanced Hardware, SHA256 and Scrypt questions
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phk
on 27/04/2013, 14:05:17 UTC
Connecting high speed DDR ram to an FPGA is not a big deal.

I was under the impression that the kind of memory latency necessary (extremely low) is only possible with the most expensive types of DDR chips.

Let's put it this way: if you actually need external memory to run SCRYPT as used in Litecoin (you don't), then yes it is going to be a total turd performance wise.
It doesn't matter what chip you put out there.

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Re: Building the next generation FAST CRYPTO CURRENCY MINING MACHINE
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phk
on 26/04/2013, 19:27:22 UTC
Opal Kelly Shuttle LX1 for development / testing?

Ignoring the suitability of that board for mining, it's about 3x the cost of the comparable DE0 board.

http://www.terasic.com.tw/cgi-bin/page/archive.pl?Language=English&CategoryNo=139&No=593&PartNo=1

If you just want to buy something to learn with, I would go with the DE0.

BTW: neither of those are good for running the existing open source bitcoin miner.
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Re: Stratix-5 A7 or D5 project 26.04.2013 update
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phk
on 26/04/2013, 18:46:29 UTC
I understand everything, but software is software and real tests are real tests.
As I said the hasrate is 1-3ghash/s, maybe little more, and the power usage is something near 60W, but I would like to put exact numbers.
With the software I don't think I could get exact numbers.

OK let's try this a different way:

what is the exact hash rate and power consumption reported by the tools for your current HDL design?

In other words, what are the exact numbers the tools are projecting for you right now?

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Re: Stratix-5 A7 or D5 project 26.04.2013 update
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phk
on 26/04/2013, 18:32:30 UTC
I want write the real hash numbers and power usage!

In case you did not understand my previous post, you do not need real hardware to get those answers.   The actual real world numbers will vary a bit (small percentage), but certainly the tools provide enough information for you to figure out if the project is even worth building real hardware for.

(hash rate, power, unit cost)

Obviously, since unit cost is in several thousand dollar range, the hash rate and power consumption from your analysis would need to be compelling to be marketable.
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Re: Stratix-5 A7 or D5 project 26.04.2013 update
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phk
on 26/04/2013, 17:46:05 UTC
I have an NDA with the company, so I can't say which board will be used. Sorry.

Sorry, but for what it's worth, this is not customary and since you have already declared you don't have any experience developing anything (let alone HDL or boards with high end FPGA on them), asking for 80BTC in donations might diminish people confidence in you.

You may want to defer asking for donations until you have demonstrated that your plan is more fully thought through, and that you have the capability to produce something.  There is already a lot of people on here angry at multiple organizations for taking their money and not producing anything 6 months / 1 year / 18 months later.

Again, IMHO, you don't actually need to have physical hardware until you want to establish the (marginal) performance gains you'll get through overclocking/cooling in the real world.  Under normal conditions, the reports from the tools are accurate enough.
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Re: Stratix-5 A7 or D5 project 26.04.2013 update
by
phk
on 26/04/2013, 17:05:10 UTC
What board are you looking to purchase?

This will be write when the machines will be ready to ship.

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you are saying.

I thought you were asking for donations of 80BTC to purchase (2) development boards for your own use during development.  Is that true?  If so, what development board do you want to purchase?

If you already understood my question, then I don't understand your response: can you rephrase it?



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Re: Stratix-5 A7 or D5 project 26.04.2013 update
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phk
on 26/04/2013, 16:36:22 UTC
What board are you looking to purchase?
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Re: Advanced Hardware, SHA256 and Scrypt questions
by
phk
on 26/04/2013, 01:04:32 UTC
FPGA can be programmed to do (almost) anything you want them to do.  You can reprogram / repurpose them to do whatever you want them to do, if you know how to do such things.

An ASIC only does whatever the guy who designed it told it to do before the factory built the chip.

There is nothing stopping somebody from releasing updated bitstreams for already purchased FPGA hardware that would allow them to do a different algorithm.  But nobody has done that yet.
There is not any technical reason preventing it from happening.

Whether or not they would have adequate performance is a different topic.

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Re: Stratix-5 A7 or D5 project
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phk
on 24/04/2013, 12:23:15 UTC
Power estimator nicely opens in google docs, but I have no idea how to simulate. There's no cell to input frequency or number of LEs.

No, it doesn't work with Google Sheets.  It depends heavily on Excel Macros.
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Re: BlockBurner FPGA - Litecoin Miner - Dev Team Forming
by
phk
on 22/04/2013, 00:46:08 UTC
why would it be easier than just implementing SHA256?

I think that post is just (old) off-the-cuff remarks and has multiple errors (not fully fleshed out ideas).
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Re: Virtex-7 vs Stratix-5
by
phk
on 22/04/2013, 00:31:43 UTC
For what it's worth, I used 5SGXEA7H1F35C1 and got 11% utilization (~8 cores?), and Fmax >200MHz.

BTW: was this the design found in the rtl directory or in some of the projects?

I will try to re-run it as my timing result can't be correct...
It sounds like you have since sorted it out, but yes I was using a cloned DE2-115 project which refers to the common ../../src/xxx.v

I just changed the target device and created a new PLL.

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Re: Virtex-7 vs Stratix-5
by
phk
on 21/04/2013, 14:06:57 UTC
A simple compile using Quartus 12.1 of the unoptimized design(1) in a A7 device gives the following result:

; Device                          ; 5SGXEA7K2F40C2                            ;
; Logic utilization (in ALMs)     ; 32,617 / 234,720 ( 14 % )                 ;

For what it's worth, I used 5SGXEA7H1F35C1 and got 11% utilization (~8 cores?), and Fmax >200MHz.
The only change I made was a new PLL megafunction.
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Re: BlockBurner FPGA - Litecoin Miner - Dev Team Forming
by
phk
on 21/04/2013, 13:58:16 UTC
These numbers are from bitfury somewhere in the forum here.

Thank you.  I found this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=98535.msg1081219#msg1081219


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Re: Litecoin FPGA Production - Serious Inquiry
by
phk
on 21/04/2013, 01:06:46 UTC
If all else fails I'm thinking of running it on top of a NIOS II implementation. Completely pointless but got to be worth a shot just for the laughs.

You could certainly start with a pure software approach and then gradually optimize it with custom instructions.  You wouldn't ever get the speed of a pure RTL design, but it's a good (rewarding) exercise.  With the reduced resource, utilization you could end up with the fastest implementation on the BeMicro.
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Re: BlockBurner FPGA - Litecoin Miner - Dev Team Forming
by
phk
on 20/04/2013, 23:41:47 UTC
Personally I have great difficulty believing some of the figures that are being bandied about for litecoin FPGA.

Can you share a link to the threads with your bandied about numbers?  I haven't seen anybody say anything that outrageous here.
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Re: Litecoin FPGA Production - Serious Inquiry
by
phk
on 20/04/2013, 01:16:31 UTC
That seems a fairly glaring oversight given their stated goal.

Yes, it does.
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Re: Litecoin FPGA Production - Serious Inquiry
by
phk
on 19/04/2013, 22:58:03 UTC

This is good news as far as I am concerned, the whole point of Litecoin using Scrypt was so it would be difficult for specialised hardware to have a massive performance edge.

SCRYPT doesn't attempt to make it difficult for special hardware to have a performance edge.  Instead, it tries to make it more expensive.  Depending on RAM requires die area which translates directly to unit cost.

In the case of an ASIC, this is something to be considered.  The 128KB used by litecoin translates to 1 million bits of SRAM, which might multiply the ASIC unit cost x2/x4/x10?.

In the case of an FPGA, you already bought the RAM.  In the case of the popular Spartan 6 LX150 used in bitcoin mining, you already bought over 4 million bits worth.

So, whomever picked the 128KB size for litecoin didn't go out of their way to make it that hard for "special" hardware already in circulation.

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Re: Litecoin FPGA Production - Serious Inquiry
by
phk
on 19/04/2013, 22:38:41 UTC
Also: Not to be the guy asking the stupid questions here, but what is stopping bulk purchases of GPU chips (specific clocking/memory designed for mining) in bulk from AMD? With say 25 undervolted and finetuned 7850 chips on a fairly simple board that would plug via USB and be recognized as a multi-crossfire system I can see that being a $$ while solution. Or maybe I am just dreaming..

You need to have product volume in order to get the chip vendors attention.

FPGA you can go to any number of distributors and buy them one at a time if you like (with discounts at various volumes).