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Re: [ANN][ICO] PROEMTHEUS: ◄► First Decentralized Email System ◄►
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proemtheus
on 10/10/2017, 15:32:44 UTC
when will the ico take place and what is the timeframe?

As i posted previously we are talking with a few investors.
We stil aim for crowdfunding so it will not be an investor taking control of the project but at least for the media campaign we need support.
The best estimate at this moment is 1-2 months for the ICO.
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Re: [ANN][ICO] PROEMTHEUS: ◄► First Decentralized Email System ◄►
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proemtheus
on 06/10/2017, 23:50:54 UTC
The idea seems great, apart from the anonimity and other features you are proposing, also the knowledge that your emails are "forever" on the blockchain and not dependant on the provider.
But before any money invested it would be great to see the MVP and gain trust that the devs can deliver.

To reach the MVP status is the hardest. It' like making the first million in business.
The Proemtheus concept is viable and received only positive comments.
Important is to make users understand that free-service is a trap where they trade the most valuable resource online: their profile and history.

About funding we must reach a balance: between an investor (concentrated power) and the blockchain model (decentralized / crowdsale).

This is just a delay, we are working towards delivering.
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Re: [ANN][ICO] PROEMTHEUS: ◄► First Decentralized Email System ◄►
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proemtheus
on 06/10/2017, 23:31:58 UTC
Whats wrong with this ICO? Token buy eth address have now only .0010 ETH worth of 031$ according to https://etherscan.io/address/0x69C2Ee6b4F95C4065D984a5BD726BD229dcCE920 PROEMTHEUS dev, tell us something about how much raised till now?

We wanted to do everything in-house so for the presale we did not employ any ICO-mercenaries.
Thus we had a low presale, below USD 6k. The money were invested in future marketing for the project because judging by the comments here and the emails we receive many are excited but we lack the marketing exposure.

Right now we are working to enlarge the team, especially advisors and attract investors.
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Re: [ANN][ICO] PROEMTHEUS: ◄► First Decentralized Email System ◄►
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proemtheus
on 01/10/2017, 23:32:41 UTC
The Proemtheus project is based on the idea of a decentralized economy applied to the email system.
In the current centralized email environment, the user profile is used to generate money. The flow of advertising money runs from the spenders to the data holders seeking/targeting the user profile but bypassing the users. The data/profile generators, which attract the money, are the users who receive instead only a free service like the common email account.
We think the user deserves better
Proemtheus is building a decentralized email system. First making the users independent and then offering them the platform to monetize their profiles and other online activity but for themselves this time.
In short: email accounts generate money from ads, billions currently harvested by others. Proemtheus will return the ad money to the owner. Also privacy from data mining and unprecedented security.

What do you think?
It’s worth developing this project?
Would you actually support such a project by acquiring tokens?
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Re: [ANN][ICO] PROEMTHEUS: ◄► First Decentralized Email System ◄►
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proemtheus
on 28/09/2017, 21:15:21 UTC
What about bonuses when distribution Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh

We will email all contributors before the weekend ends with the number of tokens accounting bonuses as well.
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Re: [ANN][ICO] PROEMTHEUS: ◄► First Decentralized Email System ◄►
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proemtheus
on 18/09/2017, 21:00:23 UTC
What measures are you planning to take against data mining (of the mailboxes' addresses) and spam?

Data mining will not exist in a decentralized email system. Both account and server reside only on the user devices. Proemtheus will not be the holder of the email account nor have a backdoor.
Accounts exist INDEPENDENT.
As we mentioned in a previous post we intend to construct Proemtheus in such a way that the accounts function with or without our company.

In regards to spam well nobody has eliminated spam completely: filtration, filtration and filtration.
For the first 2-3 years we plan to rely on common techniques currently in place. Your account will be as spam free as any other account.
We have also in plan some new filtering options and inter-user collaboration for reporting spam.
Equally important will be the users from the community, developers - auditors - reviewers etc, that will be token rewarded for reporting.
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Re: [ANN][ICO] PROEMTHEUS: ◄► First Decentralized Email System ◄►
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proemtheus
on 13/09/2017, 20:46:19 UTC
this may be the first e-mail decentralization project ,, I think it's great for email security

Proemtheus will cover email security, privacy and further more users will earn money from their online history/profile
Soon to release new details on our website
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Re: [ANN][ICO] PROEMTHEUS: ◄► First Decentralized Email System ◄►
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proemtheus
on 11/09/2017, 21:45:00 UTC
pre-sale is ended? crowdsale is start and still running? I want join crowdsale sir
give me detile info, I don't see detile
thank you

Thank you for your interest.
You can join the presale following this link: https://www.proemthe.us/join.html
What is the reason for another member posting this announcement thread for you? Is it because you couldn’t post images at that time or is it more to it than that reason?
This does seem like something that I would be interested in investing in considering that the Presale could be completed soon depending on how many people are interested in this coin and since you had a reputable member post the information for you it shouldn’t be a problem to gather those funds.

As for the presale statistics, is it possible to give us the wallet addresses of both Ethereum and Bitcoin so we could view the progress? Thanks.


As you correctly guessed Sylon started the thread for this project simply because we could not post images.
Our problem is that we do not have enough funds for a full size media campaign and thus the presale is going slow.
Both addresses of the wallets are available on our website in the JOIN section.
Oh I see it now (I had to click the Ethereum and the Bitcoin logo in order to see the wallet addresses), thanks. It seems like you guys are heading for a nice start considering that you guys collected over 4 thousand dollars in Ethereum (15.52395321 Ether) already. People seem to be holding onto their Bitcoin so it makes some sense why there isn’t any deposits through that currency.
Is there anything that you will release during the presale? Like a demo of something that you are working on or are you guys waiting till the ico ends so you can post something later?

We know the presale is low but are not discouraged.
From the past ICO's, we've seen the majority of the heavy funded projects showed just a concept and a website so we figured out to actually show something to the public.
We are working on, and plan to present the UI before ico, or the latest during ico. The reason is that for the average user this is the relationship it will have with the software.
And we plan to have a new and amazing approach.
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Re: [ANN][ICO] PROEMTHEUS: ◄► First Decentralized Email System ◄►
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proemtheus
on 08/09/2017, 22:58:01 UTC
pre-sale is ended? crowdsale is start and still running? I want join crowdsale sir
give me detile info, I don't see detile
thank you

Thank you for your interest.
You can join the presale following this link: https://www.proemthe.us/join.html
What is the reason for another member posting this announcement thread for you? Is it because you couldn’t post images at that time or is it more to it than that reason?
This does seem like something that I would be interested in investing in considering that the Presale could be completed soon depending on how many people are interested in this coin and since you had a reputable member post the information for you it shouldn’t be a problem to gather those funds.

As for the presale statistics, is it possible to give us the wallet addresses of both Ethereum and Bitcoin so we could view the progress? Thanks.


As you correctly guessed Sylon started the thread for this project simply because we could not post images.
Our problem is that we do not have enough funds for a full size media campaign and thus the presale is going slow.
Both addresses of the wallets are available on our website in the JOIN section.
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Re: [ANN][ICO] PROEMTHEUS: ◄► First Decentralized Email System ◄►
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proemtheus
on 08/09/2017, 22:52:46 UTC
It's really important in our days to have full control over our emails, that's why I think that this project is a very good idea

Will help us a lot to have your support.
Today it's almost impossible to build a software product just in your free time since you have to battle with the internet giants.
Every piece of support counts.
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Re: [ANN][ICO] PROEMTHEUS: ◄► First Decentralized Email System ◄►
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proemtheus
on 08/09/2017, 22:48:59 UTC


From what I have looked around Proemtheus is the first team to propose an independent email.
For our team to have an independent email means:
- decentralized accounts
- keep all user data private
It also means that even if Proemtheus will cease to exist you can use our software to have an active email account.

Proemtheus will not be a platform in the way you are calling it, meaning it will NOT be a closed system, but rather a different email that works seamlessly with the current email but in the meantime offer unique features.

In the case of email the existing system simply cannot be changed/improved because this will mean to cut off all free service offering companies from the pool of user data you know as profile. From exploiting this resource they make profits.

Hope I have address all your comments


Hello.

Thanks for your answer you addressed almost all the comments.
That is nice to hear you plan to implement an open system.

My question was related about reuse of existing codebase of other projects or other similar project or collaboration
with developers that aim to decentralize services.

I have seen your latest post in the thread and it speak about "Mailinabox".
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2098671.msg21550317#msg21550317
I have never heard of it until now. Smiley

The question is could you reuse this code and build on top of that your email client or collaborate with the developer of that system
or you plan to build  the client from zero?

Also when it comes to email storage how your email clients will store the data ?
Can it use existing decentralized platforms / projects like Sia, Stor-J , datacoin, Burst to store data
or maybe integrate one of those existing applications:
https://prism-break.org/en/all/#file-storage-sync

specifically this one: https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs

or you have to build this also from 0 as well?

If so what would be the reasons to build the system from 0 and not reuse the existing code?!



Short answer: in regards to the email, client and server, we plan to build all software from zero.
Because most of the time writing fresh code is easyer than debugging / modifying / adapting ;-)
And also it's better to have alternatives.
Our email software will advise you to store data on the your devices. Preferably.
But you will be also able to use any storage solution you wish (decentralized or not).

Regarding the distributed storage we believe in a slightly different approach.
Proemtheus will create a network from the user personal devices in order to backup or retrieve to and from any of them. This means storage space available on all user devices will be unified.
There will be the option for public sharing / renting of space, but based on a score system maintained by reviewers.

The main problem with decentralized cloud (using storage rented from other users) is that a user renting space has its same information stored on more than one location, in case the storage-user is not online.
For example user information is stored on 10 other devices. But if no. 7 is not online you cannot retrieve that piece and therefor use your whole data set. So the system needs to multiply no. 7, and in fact all the other devices, by a factor depending on the storage-user online availability. The user depends on the slowest moving piece of his data. This multiplying of data translates in huge redundancy aka waste of space and bandwidth.

So we think it's best to build the storage also from zero as you can see we think a bit differently.
Thank you
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Re: [ANN][ICO] PROEMTHEUS: ◄► First Decentralized Email System ◄►
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proemtheus
on 08/09/2017, 22:34:07 UTC
pre-sale is ended? crowdsale is start and still running? I want join crowdsale sir
give me detile info, I don't see detile
thank you

Thank you for your interest.
You can join the presale following this link: https://www.proemthe.us/join.html
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Re: [ANN][ICO] PROEMTHEUS: ◄► First Decentralized Email System ◄►
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proemtheus
on 08/09/2017, 00:57:42 UTC

From what I have looked around Proemtheus is the first team to propose an independent email.
For our team to have an independent email means:
- decentralized accounts
- keep all user data private
It also means that even if Proemtheus will cease to exist you can use our software to have an active email account.

Proemtheus will not be a platform in the way you are calling it, meaning it will NOT be a closed system, but rather a different email that works seamlessly with the current email but in the meantime offer unique features.

In the case of email the existing system simply cannot be changed/improved because this will mean to cut off all free service offering companies from the pool of user data you know as profile. From exploiting this resource they make profits.

Hope I have address all your comments


Seems great, looking forward to more info!

Thank you. I guess we can count on you as a contributor  Smiley
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Re: [ANN][ICO] PROEMTHEUS: ◄► First Decentralized Email System ◄►
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proemtheus
on 05/09/2017, 23:19:16 UTC
How does change services like mailinabox and protonmail? Will this system still work with legacy the legacy system? How does the team plan on interacting with businesses and business account? If migration is necessary, are there plans for that already?

If these questions are answered elsewhere, please let me know.

Protonmail is purely a centralized provider similar to Gmail just that they promise you privacy for inbox and sent emails within their network.
There is one purely mumbo jumbo marketing speech about the datacenter being under 1000 meters of solid rock bla bla like you ever heard of a hard break into a data center. Sorry, a "bunker" like they advertise it.
Also there is one partial mumbo jumbo speech about swiss privacy. Switzerland is not the heaven on privacy and you can look at the banking system. People keep money in swiss accounts to conserve them as a backup, otherwise Swiss has signed an agreement with the EU that will align Swiss bank practices with those of EU countries, and in effect will end the special secrecy that EU-resident clients of Swiss banks had enjoyed in the past.
It's not a bad service but it's just a step forward, Proemtheus is talking about a leap.
And you must ask yourself if Protonmail is free, who is paying for the data bunker and everything? I mean doing a good to humanity is ok, but if it has a cost who is paying? And for how long?

Mailinabox is somehow what we have in mind but first of all I see it's rather complicated to set up for the usual user. We aim for GUI and clicks.
They provide only the server part and not the email client. We will provide a complete solution, and also many features for the client because this is the most important element for the average user. The client UI the user sees and works within.
They offer the service only for Own_domain.Users. We plan to offer the service also for users not having their own domain (you can see this in our roadmap).
It's pricey ... USD 12/month and i will stop here.

The business account is a totally different story as that email is governed by the company/employer rules. We will present a solution for this area but further down the way.
Proemtheus will not be a closed system, it will work seamlessly with existing email from any provider.
Migration will be covered. After all we emphasized about email being the core of each user we don't expect them to start over with an empty account in 2017.

As soon as we release the new website with more comprehensive details and the updated whitepaper we will announce it here. Definetly one should read it.
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Re: [ANN][ICO] PROEMTHEUS: ◄► First Decentralized Email System ◄►
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proemtheus
on 05/09/2017, 06:30:02 UTC
We have decided to extend the presale until 20.09
The simple truth is that no sufficient funds have been raised because we burned the become popular enough stage.

Right now, our efforts are concentrated on:
- overhauling our design to display more comprehensive and clear information
- put emphasis on some details previously left in the background
- soon we expect to start a good marketing campaign
- also we expanded the team with developers and advisors

We believe this is a solid project and we prefer to pause/delay, optimize and then move forward rather than go on a wrong path and mess things up.

Bear with us please, it's our first ICO  Wink
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Re: [ANN][ICO] PROEMTHEUS: ◄► First Decentralized Email System ◄►
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proemtheus
on 04/09/2017, 13:54:47 UTC
there are many ICO projects, but few good projects.
 the project seems to be of high quality,
 decentralization of mail service system,
and Shared cloud service projects,
which should be worth investing.

Hello.

Also a lot of projects try to do the same or similar things

https://cointelegraph.com/news/substratum-ico-promises-to-build-free-and-fair-internet

Could maybe the developer collaborate to achieve this goals together
instead making each their own platform / product?!

Also I have seen before that this crypto decentralization mania exploded
that already where existing systems to achieve this but question is why this projects did not take up
and are still used by small number of people.

Check here:
https://prism-break.org/en/all/

Social Networks
File sharing
Instant Messaging
Networking
Web Search
etc...

All exists for free and I'm wondering why new similar systems
are needed and we require to pay for them?!

Don't get me wrong I support  the idea of a decentralized email platform or any other platform that gives control
to users but I' wondering why things are done in this way of making separate platforms(products)
instead contributing or collaborating  to improve existing systems and to make them main stream.

From what I have looked around Proemtheus is the first team to propose an independent email.
For our team to have an independent email means:
- decentralized accounts
- keep all user data private
It also means that even if Proemtheus will cease to exist you can use our software to have an active email account.

Proemtheus will not be a platform in the way you are calling it, meaning it will NOT be a closed system, but rather a different email that works seamlessly with the current email but in the meantime offer unique features.

In the case of email the existing system simply cannot be changed/improved because this will mean to cut off all free service offering companies from the pool of user data you know as profile. From exploiting this resource they make profits.

Hope I have address all your comments
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Re: [ANN][ICO] PROEMTHEUS: ◄► First Decentralized Email System ◄►
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proemtheus
on 01/09/2017, 16:08:33 UTC
So I sent some Eth, completed the form, and have heard nothing. Found the referral link, but when will I get a confirmation of coins? And where will they be?

thank you for your contribution.
We try to reply to every contributor as fast as possible.
As we mentioned before after presale we'll contact every contributor with his exact number of tokens considering bonuses.
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Re: [ANN][ICO] PROEMTHEUS: ◄► First Decentralized Email System ◄►
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proemtheus
on 01/09/2017, 09:39:42 UTC

The first decentralized email system?thats pretty cool,im looking forward for this.Can someone share me the website link of this ?

Thank You!

Same here - any MVP already available?

MVP not available yet.
We are working to present the UI before ICO but it's not a firm promise.
It will be truly innovative.

You will see a roadmap on our website soon.
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Re: [ANN][ICO] PROEMTHEUS: ◄► First Decentralized Email System ◄►
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proemtheus
on 31/08/2017, 19:53:32 UTC
I've been checked https://proemthe.us/  but I didn't see the white paper link or post there that clearer project idea.

whitepaper can be found here https://www.proemthe.us/whitepaper.html
as you can see in my post, #50, we are working on a new more business oriented document.
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Re: [ANN][ICO] PROEMTHEUS: ◄► First Decentralized Email System ◄►
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proemtheus
on 30/08/2017, 22:06:55 UTC

The first decentralized email system?thats pretty cool,im looking forward for this.Can someone share me the website link of this ?

Thank You!


You ca visit us at https://proemthe.us