...so that these scum bags can all be replaced by automated machines and techies who deserve that pay...

Yap, that's what I've received.

HF must be really good at making people believe that they are making progress towards a deal.
In your case it has been 6 months of progresses, with nothing written yet.
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No, it's been like this for quite a while.

He must do jackshit, it's his money and he can do with it whatever the hell he wants.

3, We are currently actively negotiating with them regarding the delayed shipping, it is a process but we are making progress. Please be patient as soon as we have something solid and signed, we will tell you guys how it will affect the public share holder and the IceDrill project.

4, My personal opinion is that in terms of BTC it  will be hard to break even short term due to the massive difficulty increase and the delays we have encountered, but that in the long term through hard work, reinvestment and innovation, I hope we should be able to break even in BTC terms. I am personally a public and private investor, I as much as anyone want to see this venture succeed.
//DeaDTerra

Well we have clarification somewhat now.


I have no idea if IceDrill did receive their units yet (Assuming no because no mining) They will be missing the shipping deadline from HashFast and be entitled to a refund but it would only be available in USD.

Hopefully there will be an update from IceDrill soon regarding this latest information.

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Working with Hashfast is ongoing, I'm in touch with them at least twice a week, and will share what information I can when I can.
I can confirm that there is a guaranteed delivery date (refund date). And that we did pay in BTC. Both these points are public knowledge.

A statement from IceDrill management would be very welcome.

This is a reminder to everyone to not enter into any new agreement with HashFast without consulting your lawyer. Their strategy is likely to roll-over old contracts into new ones, containing better protection for HashFast against legal action and remove more and more rights from customers.

For the same reason the MPP has to be viewed with scrutiny, as it is an independent contract not necessarily connected to the original purchase (dependent on the circumstance on acquiring it) and potentially subject to different TOS.

HashFast is likely preparing a wealth transfer scheme from new customers to old customers. They have to do this because they created a huge liability with their failure to deliver as promised (which they most likely deliberately took into account) and they do not want to cover the bill. Note that this scheme can be sustained as long as the market for mining equipment is expanding and HashFast can sufficiently scale the customer base. Eventually they need to collapse the Ponzi and leave some customers damaged.. but at that time those customers will have no repercussions against HashFast (since their TOS and communications are cured by that time).

This sounds like an awful thing to say but early customers are best off in case their Ponzi works and they can strip enough wealth from later customers to compensate earlier customers. HashFast will get rich in the process.

Don't expect to get much help from the legal system if you do not sufficiently protect yourself. Early customers have enough of a case to make it difficult for HashFast to defend themselves, which provides them with an incentive to simply pay early customers off in terms of additional hardware over long periods of time, but anyone who is entering a contract now will have a hard time fighting anything.

The Foundation, if they support this in any which way, is actually bringing a quick, traiterous, back-stabbing death to all ideals, hopes and high goals that millions, billions (!) of people could have lived up and through bitcoin.

Thanks for nothing, ass-wads.

The "Foundation" needs to make it crystal clear that such measures of censorship are DIRECTLY contradictory to freedom of transaction, which is one of the main properties of the bitcoin network.

Should I be able to maintain any respect for any of the boards' members, they would have to leave the foundation TODAY and renounce the implementation of these principles.

Prices were quoted in usd.  If btc had gone down in value you would be complaining and wanting your refunds in usd.   The constructive, useful, interesting posts in this thread and only just enough to keep people here.  I'm desperate for the refunds to be paid out so the whining will stop.