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Those who interested in suing BFL you could join the lawsuit at following link:
http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners
Also read following link as well:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=682150.msg7737614#msg7737614
http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners
Also read following link as well:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=682150.msg7737614#msg7737614
Why did you go with BFL ?
I'm like to get into the mind of a scamee, i.e the person getting scammed.. if thats the right term heh..
I have a lot of question's.
Good question. I did post a reply to your question. Here is link to it:I'm like to get into the mind of a scamee, i.e the person getting scammed.. if thats the right term heh..
I have a lot of question's.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=659828.msg7498203#msg7498203
Also for other newbies like me, here is link to see ratings for manufactures someone sent me. I highly recommend stickies or bookmark this link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456691.msg5035154#msg5035154
Good point... but the only thing we make these days is babies most other things pretty much made in China. Kidding aside, I wont buy anymore miner, but if I do, I sure come to this forum to get some intelligent advice from you guys. I love that link Dogie posted about Manufacture reports. I think it should be cleaned up a bit and broadcast by senior members. I am doing my tweeting but I am a peon compared to you guys. That would help a lot of people. Note BFL stuff being sold in retail, what people dont know these guys pocket almost all the funds and their preorders take forever to build. That real problem is their greed stealing all the money and they dont adequately fund their dev and customer service teams. Which means they dont really give a FU#$ when their customers get product or they mine with the Miners customer paid. Luckily I havent used their RMA thank goodness.
Anecdote: I wanted to be a good patriotic citizen and "Buy American" by supporting Butterfly Labs. One of the biggest commercial mistakes of my life and really opened my eyes to how corrupt things have been allowed to become in this country.
Never again will patriotism guide my purchasing decisions as a result.
Never again will patriotism guide my purchasing decisions as a result.
Sorry but you hardly going to mine either. If bought by CC what prevents you from mining for a month and returning back to vendor for refund and repeat the cycle? Unfortunately because of fast raising difficulty, this pre-order phenomenon created. Right now you can buy BFL 10 GHS miner from Walmart but that wont do jack in terms of mining and literally obsolete. But you can return it back in less than two weeks.
Here is one: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Butterfly-Labs-Bitcoin-Miner-10-GH-S-Processor-USB-2.0-BF0010G/34952957
However finding trusted mining manufacture who actually fund their engineering team to develop a miner is hard, unlike the BFL clowns pocketing 99% of funds and allocate less than 1% to development. That is why it takes eons for them to build anything, and that is called stealing. But they dont care, you are talking about $100 Millions here.
Here is one: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Butterfly-Labs-Bitcoin-Miner-10-GH-S-Processor-USB-2.0-BF0010G/34952957
However finding trusted mining manufacture who actually fund their engineering team to develop a miner is hard, unlike the BFL clowns pocketing 99% of funds and allocate less than 1% to development. That is why it takes eons for them to build anything, and that is called stealing. But they dont care, you are talking about $100 Millions here.
I am never buying a miner with anything but a credit card due to this sort of thing. Many mining companies do this, because customers cant get their money back even if they want to.
Excellent I wish I saw this before. Great link to be pinned on top of the forums. I recommend manufacture complete name be used accompanied by their abbreviation. i.e. Butterfly Labs (BFL). I just sent PM to Dogie for this tiny edits.
Thanks for the link Intron
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456691.msg5035154#msg5035154
Thanks for the link Intron
I think what this forum or similar could do to help is a recommended manufacture link and rated by trusted senior members like your selves. I am sure such link probably exist but perhaps buried or crowded with many posts. I guess clean list of scam alerts for member and or manufacture, that is easy to locate would be very helpful and could reduce number of people falling in this trap.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456691.msg5035154#msg5035154
You should of course consider yes they do. They probably have several accounts here and else where so they can respond to their own questions as a fake fan or fake claim. And I hope they see all these posts as they read my twitter posts for them. Cant wait to see their deer in a headlight look when they see me face to face.
I know that Josh does, but does Sonny or Nasser have an account on this forum?
Absolutely I appreciate the question specially by senior members or moderators such as yourself hopefully to make possible tweaks for future customers. But first little demographic about myself: Technologist, software architect, robotic hobbyist, internet sway, and reverse engineer, and of course a crypto currency fan as of 8 month ago.
I am dumb but not too dumb nevertheless fell in Butterfly Labs trap for following reasons:
1- I did research them for scam including most other big players. They all equally had several # of complaints, but I didnt find major law suites that I could pin point or they all had similar allegations.
2- BFL was located in US. I figured worse case scenario I be dealing with a company in US than China or Europe.
3- I noticed many good reviews on BFL Singles on youtube, and even saw ads such as this one that they being sold in retail such as Tigerdirect & Walmart. For example see this one: http://www.walmart.com/ip/34952957?wmlspartner=wlpa&adid=22222222227023099684&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=36174013381&wl4=&wl5=pla&wl6=65388671101&veh=sem
4- They accept USD, in addition to Bitcoin. Most others would take bitcoin which I didnt have.
What I didn't know or just realized several weeks ago was the fact that they pocket 99% of funds received and allocate less than 1% to development, which is the reason for super late development. I used to think the complex technology was a contributing factor, and didnt know they under fund development. Also I didnt realize their board members are bunch of Jackass running ponzi scheme with hardware.
I even searched top 10 bitcoin miner in google and landed in PC Magazine or Toms Hardware and BFL was right on top.
I think what this forum or similar could do to help is a recommended manufacture link and rated by trusted senior members like your selves. I am sure such link probably exist but perhaps buried or crowded with many posts. I guess clean list of scam alerts for member and or manufacture, that is easy to locate would be very helpful and could reduce number of people falling in this trap.
I am also twitting some of my findings to reporters who apparently interviewing BFL and using appropriate # hashtag to help expose these jackasses whenever I get a chance. As you would see in Josh twitter. However I am doing it based on facts also copying FBI and KC police, in case they actually read the tweets.
Hope this help.
Thanks
Sean
I am dumb but not too dumb nevertheless fell in Butterfly Labs trap for following reasons:
1- I did research them for scam including most other big players. They all equally had several # of complaints, but I didnt find major law suites that I could pin point or they all had similar allegations.
2- BFL was located in US. I figured worse case scenario I be dealing with a company in US than China or Europe.
3- I noticed many good reviews on BFL Singles on youtube, and even saw ads such as this one that they being sold in retail such as Tigerdirect & Walmart. For example see this one: http://www.walmart.com/ip/34952957?wmlspartner=wlpa&adid=22222222227023099684&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=36174013381&wl4=&wl5=pla&wl6=65388671101&veh=sem
4- They accept USD, in addition to Bitcoin. Most others would take bitcoin which I didnt have.
What I didn't know or just realized several weeks ago was the fact that they pocket 99% of funds received and allocate less than 1% to development, which is the reason for super late development. I used to think the complex technology was a contributing factor, and didnt know they under fund development. Also I didnt realize their board members are bunch of Jackass running ponzi scheme with hardware.
I even searched top 10 bitcoin miner in google and landed in PC Magazine or Toms Hardware and BFL was right on top.
I think what this forum or similar could do to help is a recommended manufacture link and rated by trusted senior members like your selves. I am sure such link probably exist but perhaps buried or crowded with many posts. I guess clean list of scam alerts for member and or manufacture, that is easy to locate would be very helpful and could reduce number of people falling in this trap.
I am also twitting some of my findings to reporters who apparently interviewing BFL and using appropriate # hashtag to help expose these jackasses whenever I get a chance. As you would see in Josh twitter. However I am doing it based on facts also copying FBI and KC police, in case they actually read the tweets.
Hope this help.
Thanks
Sean
Sean you are obviously newish here I'll assume by activity.
Did you choose BFL because all the posts/threads/everything on forum was hidden, moved or deleted.
Not being negative regarding you, It just would be good to get clear clarification that the forum could be doing alot more to assist people in not getting screwed by these people that have been running the same trick for what 1.5 years now ?
I know the forum doesnt hold peoples hands... but jeeesus christ. come on.. help a little...
Did you choose BFL because all the posts/threads/everything on forum was hidden, moved or deleted.
Not being negative regarding you, It just would be good to get clear clarification that the forum could be doing alot more to assist people in not getting screwed by these people that have been running the same trick for what 1.5 years now ?
I know the forum doesnt hold peoples hands... but jeeesus christ. come on.. help a little...
Exactly, Yep, I mean no magic tricks or fake videos etc. I dont have anything against their technicians or employees, they are just doing their job. But their board of directors are bunch of tricksters.
smoking mirrors
I believe you are meaning to use the metaphor "smoke and mirrors".I encourage BCP19 to help uncover BFL mysteries and scams. All these HW operating #s probably meaningless if this Monarch turns out to be an imaginary development or smoking mirrors. FBI knocking on doors of BFL, Josh, Nasser is RSN any day now.
300amps @ 0.6v? So that's 180 watts if I remember my maths correctly...
180w for what though? Per chip? Per device?
I think that the Habanero is running 600+ watts through a single board. 4 6 pin power plugs.
It gets pretty dang hot.
Just as a comparison.
I will give you this though... 300 amps at .6v... maybe now you understand the problem...
300amps @ 0.6v? So that's 180 watts if I remember my maths correctly...
180w for what though? Per chip? Per device?
I think that the Habanero is running 600+ watts through a single board. 4 6 pin power plugs.
It gets pretty dang hot.
Just as a comparison.
I hope Kansas Police and their judge is smarter than that when it comes to sentensing. BFL fraud once proven is federal and international. Who knows maybe "Nasser Ghoseiri" BFL CEO is tied to Irans government too. Per his facebook he had many visits there. Zosh Zerlan and Nasser Ghoseiri are as crook as they get. They would sell their mother if they could.
Judge: Sonny Vleisides, I have hundreds, if not thousands of complaints by your customers demanding a refund or the miners delivered. What do you have to say to that?
Sonny: Your Honor. It's ready when it's ready!
Judge: Very funny, but seriously?
Sonny: I was serious. What part of 'it's ready when it's ready' don't you understand.
Judge: I hate to do this, but you leave me no choice. Two more years probation and $100 fine. Dismissed!
Can you explain to me why you demand a date and I tell you I don't want to give a date, but you keep demanding a date then I give you one and we miss the date and you then get made because we missed the date?
Just for the record, this is the last time I will give a date for anything. It will be ready when it's ready. I'm tired of the complaints not giving dates then complaints about missed dates after I reluctantly try to give an estimate as to a time frame.
It's ready when it's ready. That's the answer from now on. When anyone asks for a date, the answer is "It's ready when it's ready." There is, quite literally, no other answer from this point forward. So next time you post asking for a date, just go ahead and fill in the blank with "It's ready when it's ready." and we can save ourselves the time and trouble of the back and for demanding of dates I simply don't have.
Joshs quote from tonight!!
Its no longer RSN its "Ready when its ready"
Just for the record, this is the last time I will give a date for anything. It will be ready when it's ready. I'm tired of the complaints not giving dates then complaints about missed dates after I reluctantly try to give an estimate as to a time frame.
It's ready when it's ready. That's the answer from now on. When anyone asks for a date, the answer is "It's ready when it's ready." There is, quite literally, no other answer from this point forward. So next time you post asking for a date, just go ahead and fill in the blank with "It's ready when it's ready." and we can save ourselves the time and trouble of the back and for demanding of dates I simply don't have.
Joshs quote from tonight!!
Its no longer RSN its "Ready when its ready"
Judge: Sonny Vleisides, I have hundreds, if not thousands of complaints by your customers demanding a refund or the miners delivered. What do you have to say to that?
Sonny: Your Honor. It's ready when it's ready!
Judge: Very funny, but seriously?
Sonny: I was serious. What part of 'it's ready when it's ready' don't you understand.
Judge: I hate to do this, but you leave me no choice. Two more years probation and $100 fine. Dismissed!
The least we can do is to expose them and have authorities launch their investigation. Unfortunately its lose lose situation and takes long time. I dont know when would I see the refund or anything, but I started escalating this to FBI and Kansas police. However neither KC police or FBI contacted me for more details or evidence. But I just started so I don't know, but I wont stop exposing this clowns. What bothers me the most is, their victims are some of the brightest people in the planet. I don't have much skin in the game only $2k . I know its a lot but not as much as many of my virtual BFL forum friends who are heavily invested and these folks are great people. thats why I am so pissed off at BFL clowns, and continue exposing them anytime I get a chance but based on facts. these BFL bozos rob their own mother if they get a chance.
someone should count all the BFL scam threads....
so much scam.. so much money...
so little recourse
so much scam.. so much money...
so little recourse
Thank you BCP12 for this bit of information. Josh has failed to provide any tangible proof of actual development perhaps because he doesn't know how to make walk through video but he and Nasser are good at login in as Slok in BFL forum banning and censoring legitimate customer questions or login as fake customers almost as if they are playing with themselves in public forum (BFL forum).
I am EE myself but I have ton of respect for Technicians because many of my own techs are 100 times smarter and sharper than myself. Do you think you would be able to post a walk through video of working monarch to ease some doubt. Walk through video is simply connecting unplugged monarch, plugin it in, and start hashing while being followed with a simple cell phone video?
I afraid if BFL can not even make descent walk through video as a proof of work, how the heck they are building this Monarch. Hopefully you can ease some of these questions.
Thanks,
Sean
I am EE myself but I have ton of respect for Technicians because many of my own techs are 100 times smarter and sharper than myself. Do you think you would be able to post a walk through video of working monarch to ease some doubt. Walk through video is simply connecting unplugged monarch, plugin it in, and start hashing while being followed with a simple cell phone video?
I afraid if BFL can not even make descent walk through video as a proof of work, how the heck they are building this Monarch. Hopefully you can ease some of these questions.
Thanks,
Sean
Yes, we are trying to finalize development now. dropt has said he's an EE, so this is for you: I'm a tech, not an engineer, I test and troubleshoot, I don't design, I may not know the 'PC' words for this phase of development. I will give you this though... 300 amps at .6v... maybe now you understand the problem...
dear BCP19 Is there actual Monarch under development or is this whole thing smoking mirrors? When I asked Josh to post proof of work, he simply banned me from BFL forums. Apparently using logic is not a correct method of communication with bunch scam artists. They advertised this Monarch thing 2-3 month away from production, 6 month later your company "Butterfly Labs" only produced a grainy video. Josh latest update is on the plane... probably taking a shit in first class cabin. Could you please provide useful information to prove there is an actual monarch development? Bunch of kids running lemonade stand would have completed this Monarch with sum of ~$100 Million received. I also think your bosses pocket around 99% of the funds and allocated around 1% to development that is why this development taking too long and or havent been able to hire talented people to actually roll this out of production. Any valuable information from you will be helpful.
Thanks,
btw, I am an actual customer who paid real money for this Monarch.
A lot of units were going through testing some in the glassed room at the entrance and some in the semi trailer backed up to the loading dock where Bruce first worked when he was first hired. A whole bunch were sent to the butterfly lab's other facility (not one of their warehouses) in which Bruce should know where that one is. After the long testing period the miners were sent back to us where they were packaged and mailed out to customers. Later some of those miners starting coming back to us and were unpacked inspected and resent out to new customers. Jody handled that aspect mostly making sure the labeling was correct. Tense times it was then. Eventually there were so many people at the plant we all had trouble just working around each other. It was like a three ring circus. New product made and sent out for testing. Testing miners back at the plant to be shipped out. Miners sent out being shipped backed to be replaced and some not even opened then sent out to new people. Some of them the parts were taken off and used on other miners and the process started all over again.
Around March or early April a whole bunch of miners came back to the plant from some hosting company in KC probably because they were replaced with the upgraded models we were making. It makes perfect sense to me to replace 65nm miners with new 65nm miners now that it was explained what was REALLY produced back in February.
(hope this smiley works)
Statements like this make me think more and more you are either more clueless than Bick or you never worked there. There were only 2 types of units that came back from hosting... RMAs and Units customers no longer wanted hosted and were sent in to be shipped out the them. Bick's dumb enough to believe that equipment that is still earning more than the cost of electricity to run them would be returned to be scrapped. Then of course there's this gem:
Thanks,
btw, I am an actual customer who paid real money for this Monarch.
What I want to know is what happened at BFL between 3/31/13 and 6/30/13. It took over 3 months for BFL to go from "shipping" Luke's Single to shipping my Single, and my Single was one of the first 100 ordered. During that 3 month delay I lost the potential return of my 209BTC outlay. I want to know if BFL was actively mining at extended length with first Singles. Ultimately I was only able to mine a little over 17BTC with something I spent 209BTC. There's not making positive ROI and then there's having a company steal your money outright by using your hardware while blatantly telling lies "oh we can't get it to work". 
A lot of units were going through testing some in the glassed room at the entrance and some in the semi trailer backed up to the loading dock where Bruce first worked when he was first hired. A whole bunch were sent to the butterfly lab's other facility (not one of their warehouses) in which Bruce should know where that one is. After the long testing period the miners were sent back to us where they were packaged and mailed out to customers. Later some of those miners starting coming back to us and were unpacked inspected and resent out to new customers. Jody handled that aspect mostly making sure the labeling was correct. Tense times it was then. Eventually there were so many people at the plant we all had trouble just working around each other. It was like a three ring circus. New product made and sent out for testing. Testing miners back at the plant to be shipped out. Miners sent out being shipped backed to be replaced and some not even opened then sent out to new people. Some of them the parts were taken off and used on other miners and the process started all over again.
Around March or early April a whole bunch of miners came back to the plant from some hosting company in KC probably because they were replaced with the upgraded models we were making. It makes perfect sense to me to replace 65nm miners with new 65nm miners now that it was explained what was REALLY produced back in February.
(hope this smiley works)Quote
I concur that the miners were probably only tested for a few hours at their other facility (come to think of it it might have been at butterfly labs dedicated hosting companies). We put them in vans. Several days later the miners arrive at the testing facility. They are tested for a couple of hours. Then they are put back in the vans and delivered back to the plant arriving several days later. Reason? The traffic is terrible in KC. Oh My!
My first thought reading this was a Wizard of Oz reference... "I don't think we're in Kansas anymore Toto" and "Lions and tigers and bears OH MY!". But wow, even the people in customer service aren't this clueless. Off-site testing? Bwahahahahaha. Your lies are getting more and more ludicrous, pretty soon you will earn that scammer tag you thought they gave you... Hi,
Around two weeks ago due to lack of update from Josh aka Slok, I become suspicious if only fraction of percentage of money received by BFL allocated to actual Monarch development or even fake development. The reason for this was, after almost 6 month, I havent seen any sign of proof there is an actual working monarch other that grainy video that could easily be forged. When I asked Josh/Slok in forums to please provide solid proof of work, they just banned me. Since you worked there, could you please confirm to best of your knowledge if there is an actual working monarch card or did they just develop chips ? Do you think their cloudmining is being done using actual monarch cards ? Any information would be helpful. We spent ton of real money for this stupid thing and the only update from Josh is he is on a plane and probably taking a poop in a first class toilet.
Thanks
Around two weeks ago due to lack of update from Josh aka Slok, I become suspicious if only fraction of percentage of money received by BFL allocated to actual Monarch development or even fake development. The reason for this was, after almost 6 month, I havent seen any sign of proof there is an actual working monarch other that grainy video that could easily be forged. When I asked Josh/Slok in forums to please provide solid proof of work, they just banned me. Since you worked there, could you please confirm to best of your knowledge if there is an actual working monarch card or did they just develop chips ? Do you think their cloudmining is being done using actual monarch cards ? Any information would be helpful. We spent ton of real money for this stupid thing and the only update from Josh is he is on a plane and probably taking a poop in a first class toilet.
Thanks
I left most recently, and since I'm no longer under their control I can now share with anybody interested two important things.
One, bcp19, whose first name is Bruce, DOES work for BFL. Ask him and I'm sure he'll say yes, but if he doesn't, I have no problem with linking to pictures of him while employed at the plant. He's been there since last fall. I seriously don't know what game he's playing on this forum and what he's trying to accomplished, but I'm pretty sure it ain't good. To be fair, he is a nice guy.
Second. BFL received chips months ago that were intended for what you guys consider the Monarch. Thousands of miners have already made at BFL's plant using those new chips. Ask Bruce that also. He knows. Since you're now curious as to where all them miners went and are continuing to go, here... http://www.coinware.io/. Moreover, HashTrade, NimbusMining, LiquidBits, and Netsolus. The lead guy for CoinWare is named James (I'm not stating his last name because I don't want to get in trouble, but I'm sure you smart guys can figure it out). James visits the plant a lot, walking around assembling unescorted then heads to the offices of management to discuss whatever.
This post is valid https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=262052.msg6877963#msg6877963 because I was there when two guys from HashFast (don't get the name mixed up with HashTrade) walked the plant with Sonny, David, and Josh.
I honestly don't want to get mixed up with this mess because I have a family and all. BFL treated me pretty fairly while I was there, but feel it important for you guys who have millions still tied up and waiting for equipment to be aware. It's a shame that you guys who ordered first will probably be the last to get your miners. At least when you do get them, you'll make your money back, even if it takes longer than you planned, if I understand correctly how the whole thing works. Still, it's a screwed up deal.
One more thing, for what it's worth. Everybody in the plant knows about Sonny's past, and some not mentioned here, and we all joke about how we are (was for me, now) working for crooks and scumbags, most the time in Spanish when management is not around, of course. ....
... Sorry if I said too much. All I wanted to say was about Bruce and CoinWare and how you guys are getting screwed big time.
Peace.
One, bcp19, whose first name is Bruce, DOES work for BFL. Ask him and I'm sure he'll say yes, but if he doesn't, I have no problem with linking to pictures of him while employed at the plant. He's been there since last fall. I seriously don't know what game he's playing on this forum and what he's trying to accomplished, but I'm pretty sure it ain't good. To be fair, he is a nice guy.
Second. BFL received chips months ago that were intended for what you guys consider the Monarch. Thousands of miners have already made at BFL's plant using those new chips. Ask Bruce that also. He knows. Since you're now curious as to where all them miners went and are continuing to go, here... http://www.coinware.io/. Moreover, HashTrade, NimbusMining, LiquidBits, and Netsolus. The lead guy for CoinWare is named James (I'm not stating his last name because I don't want to get in trouble, but I'm sure you smart guys can figure it out). James visits the plant a lot, walking around assembling unescorted then heads to the offices of management to discuss whatever.
This post is valid https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=262052.msg6877963#msg6877963 because I was there when two guys from HashFast (don't get the name mixed up with HashTrade) walked the plant with Sonny, David, and Josh.
I honestly don't want to get mixed up with this mess because I have a family and all. BFL treated me pretty fairly while I was there, but feel it important for you guys who have millions still tied up and waiting for equipment to be aware. It's a shame that you guys who ordered first will probably be the last to get your miners. At least when you do get them, you'll make your money back, even if it takes longer than you planned, if I understand correctly how the whole thing works. Still, it's a screwed up deal.
One more thing, for what it's worth. Everybody in the plant knows about Sonny's past, and some not mentioned here, and we all joke about how we are (was for me, now) working for crooks and scumbags, most the time in Spanish when management is not around, of course. ....
... Sorry if I said too much. All I wanted to say was about Bruce and CoinWare and how you guys are getting screwed big time.
Peace.
Re: Scam Report Format (Use it to make scam reports properly)
Thank you all for the code and format. Very helpful to newbie members like myself. nice work. Cant wait to use this format for my favorite company Butterfly labs and their clowns 
hopefully they like the decoration
hopefully they like the decoration Remove the space in the two code tags!
Fixed up some errors in the OP.
Fixed up some errors in the OP.
Code:
[center][size=20pt][color=purple][b]Scam Report Format[/b][/color][/size][/center]
[ code]
[b][color=black]Story: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]Scammers Profile Link: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]Reference Link: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]Amount Scammed: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]Payment Method: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]Proof of Payment: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]PM/Chat Logs: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]Additional Notes: [/color][/b]
[/ code]
Copy and paste it in new thread then fill all data.
[b][size=10pt][color=purple]Scam report example:[/color][/size][/b]
[b][color=black]Story: [/color][/b]
I saw escrow.ms's lolipop thread 4 days ago and placed a order for 1000 lolipops. After I sent him payment, he just went offline and never came back. I think he's a big liar and a scam artist. Stay away from him.
[b][color=black]Scammers Profile Link: [/color][/b]
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=76380
[b][color=black]Reference Link: [/color][/b]
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260070.0
[b][color=black]Amount Scammed: [/color][/b] 2 BTC/$176.40
[b][color=black]Payment Method: [/color][/b]Bitcoins
[b][color=black]Proof of Payment: [/color][/b]
http://blockchain.info/tx/b80f35cebae98fcbd8eb0e2eaea6def41f90ad01086ad830ba23094ac3c3b165
[b][color=black]PM/Chat Logs: [/color][/b] http://i.imgur.com/8UbLVSc.png
[b][color=black]Additional Notes: [/color][/b] I advise you to not deal with this user until this dispute is resolved.
[center][b][size=20pt][color=green]Some Tips[/color][/size][/b][/center]
[list]
[li]Search about the scammer first, use google to search for his/her details, other forum profiles, past scam reports and link to them in your scam report.[/li]
[li]Always try to provide chat/PM logs as a screenshot if it's possible.[/li]
[li]Use sites like https://imgur.com to upload images and https://pastebin.com or http://pastie.org for text based chat logs, although these may not be treated as good proof due to possible fakes.[/li]
[li]Make sure to provide as much as info you have, like the payment address, instant messenger ID's, etc.[/li]
[li][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=253655.0]Make sure to leave negative feedback on the scammers profile and add your scam report as a reference link.[/url]
[/li]
[/list]
[center]Use escrow and be safe.[/center]
[ code]
[b][color=black]Story: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]Scammers Profile Link: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]Reference Link: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]Amount Scammed: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]Payment Method: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]Proof of Payment: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]PM/Chat Logs: [/color][/b]
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[b][size=10pt][color=purple]Scam report example:[/color][/size][/b]
[b][color=black]Story: [/color][/b]
I saw escrow.ms's lolipop thread 4 days ago and placed a order for 1000 lolipops. After I sent him payment, he just went offline and never came back. I think he's a big liar and a scam artist. Stay away from him.
[b][color=black]Scammers Profile Link: [/color][/b]
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=76380
[b][color=black]Reference Link: [/color][/b]
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260070.0
[b][color=black]Amount Scammed: [/color][/b] 2 BTC/$176.40
[b][color=black]Payment Method: [/color][/b]Bitcoins
[b][color=black]Proof of Payment: [/color][/b]
http://blockchain.info/tx/b80f35cebae98fcbd8eb0e2eaea6def41f90ad01086ad830ba23094ac3c3b165
[b][color=black]PM/Chat Logs: [/color][/b] http://i.imgur.com/8UbLVSc.png
[b][color=black]Additional Notes: [/color][/b] I advise you to not deal with this user until this dispute is resolved.
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[li]Search about the scammer first, use google to search for his/her details, other forum profiles, past scam reports and link to them in your scam report.[/li]
[li]Always try to provide chat/PM logs as a screenshot if it's possible.[/li]
[li]Use sites like https://imgur.com to upload images and https://pastebin.com or http://pastie.org for text based chat logs, although these may not be treated as good proof due to possible fakes.[/li]
[li]Make sure to provide as much as info you have, like the payment address, instant messenger ID's, etc.[/li]
[li][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=253655.0]Make sure to leave negative feedback on the scammers profile and add your scam report as a reference link.[/url]
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[center]Use escrow and be safe.[/center]
LOL so RSN turned into RWIR.
If anyone noticed on BFL site forum thread that Welshminer started asking whether or not anyone got email about cloudmining, there are many new account users stating they got their email, but I dont see any posting from trusted senior accounts the ones that has 49er label state or confirmed they got their emails. I suspect now that Josh's and his slugs caught red handed with their BS nonexistent Monarch updates, he probably asked bunch of his lab rats to create BFL accounts (or he and Nasser created bunch of account on their own forum) stating fake claims of receiving BFL cloudming emails. Just to keep angry customers in holding pattern from asking/cancelling their orders.
BFL forum is literally dead, since they started banning and censoring legitimate customers and their questions. Customers such as myself who paid them real money, and after almost 6 month when I ask them to show me real proof of development, I get Banned. I never insulted or was rude, simply asked for solid proof of work. Oh well I have 10 different accounts so I can keep an eye on their forum anyways. Josh if you see this, keep on Banning. It be matter of time I show up with court order with police at your door step. You and Nasser both its RSN I mean RWIR
If anyone noticed on BFL site forum thread that Welshminer started asking whether or not anyone got email about cloudmining, there are many new account users stating they got their email, but I dont see any posting from trusted senior accounts the ones that has 49er label state or confirmed they got their emails. I suspect now that Josh's and his slugs caught red handed with their BS nonexistent Monarch updates, he probably asked bunch of his lab rats to create BFL accounts (or he and Nasser created bunch of account on their own forum) stating fake claims of receiving BFL cloudming emails. Just to keep angry customers in holding pattern from asking/cancelling their orders.
BFL forum is literally dead, since they started banning and censoring legitimate customers and their questions. Customers such as myself who paid them real money, and after almost 6 month when I ask them to show me real proof of development, I get Banned. I never insulted or was rude, simply asked for solid proof of work. Oh well I have 10 different accounts so I can keep an eye on their forum anyways. Josh if you see this, keep on Banning. It be matter of time I show up with court order with police at your door step. You and Nasser both
its RSN I mean RWIRCompletely agree. As someone who fell in their trap, I saw they produced the nice working singles, however what I overlooked was significant duration of time it took them to build one. And just realized recently these scam artists allocated only a tiny fraction of percentage of the funds to do actual development which explains the delays.
What bothers me, the later issue haven't brought up by BFL senior customers or if it has, I havent seen it anywhere. What this means is, Butterfly Labs instead of stealing all the money, they steal 99% of the funds and allocate lets say 1% to actual development. I am not a law expert, but this I am sure considered scam by any judge. Specially when they intentionally project production as being away only 2-3 month while they know well its much farther away considering insufficient resources.
For those newbies who looking to invest with Butterfly labs, here are the names of scam artist board of directors you should be Googling for: "Nasser Ghoseiri" , "Jeff Ownby", "Josh Zerlan", "Sonny Vleisides".
I dont have that much skin in the game other than a card, but I really expect seasoned bitcoin miners who also invested more with these Butterfly lab clowns be more vocal and help community exposing them more actively instead of being quite.
What bothers me, the later issue haven't brought up by BFL senior customers or if it has, I havent seen it anywhere. What this means is, Butterfly Labs instead of stealing all the money, they steal 99% of the funds and allocate lets say 1% to actual development. I am not a law expert, but this I am sure considered scam by any judge. Specially when they intentionally project production as being away only 2-3 month while they know well its much farther away considering insufficient resources.
For those newbies who looking to invest with Butterfly labs, here are the names of scam artist board of directors you should be Googling for: "Nasser Ghoseiri" , "Jeff Ownby", "Josh Zerlan", "Sonny Vleisides".
I dont have that much skin in the game other than a card, but I really expect seasoned bitcoin miners who also invested more with these Butterfly lab clowns be more vocal and help community exposing them more actively instead of being quite.
